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Friday, March 07, 2008

SNY: Salfino: Projecting the Mets’ lineup

Bah!...Bill “ZiPS” PECOTA used to bat anywhere in the Mets lineup!

Still, I greatly respect the hard work and willingness to be so precise in laying it out there in black and white so that we can debate their relative merits. I’m using three projection systems. The father of the sabermetric movement, Bill James, is represented as published in The Bill James Handbook. We use the PECOTA system of Nate Silver as published in the Baseball Prospectus annual. That system was partially inspired by James’ “player similarity scores” but is more rigidly modeled. And Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections come courtesy of BaseballThinkFactory.com, which consistently lives up to its name. ZiPS looks at similar skills more than players in calculating projections.

...So, let’s go right down the projected starting lineup, leading off with shortstop Jose Reyes.

James gives Reyes a .789 OPS with 14 homers and 69 steals. Amazingly, PECOTA tabs him at .788 with 14 homers and 60 steals. ZiPS says 800 with 15 homers and 70 steals.

When did Reyes turn into such a projectable player? None of the three projected Reyes to hit .300 again. I do because his barely average .302 average on balls in play is very low considering his speed. Blame the elevated fly ball rate. That was a bad deal for Reyes because his rate of homers on fly balls was cut in half. His now (just about) 1-to-1 strikeout-to-walk ratio is what you look for from a guy who can contend for a batting title even when they can’t motor like Jose.

Repoz Posted: March 07, 2008 at 03:28 PM | 18 comment(s)
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   1. WillieMays Haze Posted: March 07, 2008 at 04:53 PM (#2708316)
Nice to see some actual analysis--simple as it may be--on a team website. For the most part, the baseball people they have on SNY sports talk shows tend to be the newspaper writers and radio talkshow idiots so it's refreshing to see a guy using PECOTA on their website.
   2. TheUFactor Posted: March 07, 2008 at 07:22 PM (#2708441)
Reyes' line drive percentages have been somewhat below average as well; he actually has outBABIPed his expected BABIP (LD%+.120) over the last couple of years. There's your speed effect.
   3. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: March 07, 2008 at 09:35 PM (#2708483)
I'm very worried about the Mets. Not only do they have all the lineup injuries, Oliver Perez has been getting lit up and throwing 87 mph. I'm starting to feel a disaster sort of feeling.
   4. Joe C isn't Posted: March 07, 2008 at 09:45 PM (#2708490)
I'm very worried about the Mets. Not only do they have all the lineup injuries, Oliver Perez has been getting lit up and throwing 87 mph. I'm starting to feel a disaster sort of feeling.

I haven't looked at the numbers, so this is purely speculation, but the Mets seem like a high variance team to me. Feels like they could win 110 games if everything broke right, and yet it also feels like it could implode and they could lose 85. Not that either of those outcomes is anything other than wildly remote, of course, but I guess no outcome for the 2008 Mets would really shock me.

That said, it's WAAAAAAAY too early to be worried. If they are 26-29 and still fighting injuries on June 1, maybe. Until then, barring a major injury, I'm pretty much assuming the Mets will win 90+ games.
   5. Robert in Redondo Posted: March 07, 2008 at 09:49 PM (#2708493)
I haven't looked at the numbers, so this is purely speculation, but the Mets seem like a high variance team to me.

That's my take too. They could be terrific or hugely disappointing, maybe the largest spread in the league. Of course with a NY based team, the second one is always much more entertaining.
   6. Justin Zeth, dog Posted: March 07, 2008 at 09:52 PM (#2708496)
I'm not expecting big things out of the rest of the NL East; actually, the Phillies have more disappointment potential for my taste, because I won't be surprised by some collective decline from their Big Three, and because I'm not in love with their pitching.

I think the Mets are the second-most likely team to win their division, after the San Francisco Angels of Southern Louisiana.
   7. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: March 07, 2008 at 10:12 PM (#2708508)
The Angels aren't really a lock, either, with Escobar and Lackey hurting and their high-variance, slap-happy offense. Actually, if Vicente Padilla and Jason Jennings are healthy, the Rangers could wind up in the race. But they'd need Milton Bradley to stay healthy, too. . .
   8. Justin Zeth, dog Posted: March 07, 2008 at 10:16 PM (#2708510)
But tell me, who exactly is going to knock the Angels off? 86 wins is going to be enough to win the West. For the Mariners to break .500 is going to require Felix Hernandez and Erik Bedard to stay off the DL for most of the season, and you won't find me putting any money on those odds.

I don't think anything short of a cholera outbreak is going to keep the West out of the Angels' hands.
   9. Bicycle RepairMan Posted: March 07, 2008 at 10:40 PM (#2708523)
I think the Mets are the second-most likely team to win their division, after the San Francisco Angels of Southern Louisiana.

Frankly, while the Angels look a lock, none of the other divisions are cut and salted. Mets, as shown by their ST injury woes, are not a perfect team, and need a lot to go right to win the division.
NL East to me is 40 mets, 30 Phillies, 29 Braves, 1 for the Gnats or Marlins.
   10. Neil Kinnock...Lord Palmerston! (Orinoco) Posted: March 07, 2008 at 10:47 PM (#2708528)
NL East to me is 40 mets, 30 Phillies, 29 Braves, 1 for the Gnats or Marlins.


I think the Braves should be favored over the Phils at least. Their 4th and 5th figue to be much better. Their CF cannot be much worse than Andruw's stink bomb last year.
   11. Greg K Posted: March 07, 2008 at 10:52 PM (#2708532)
Not to mention Teixeira instead of Thorman for much of the year
   12. Russlan is glad the 2008 season is over Posted: March 07, 2008 at 11:16 PM (#2708543)
I'm very worried about the Mets. Not only do they have all the lineup injuries, Oliver Perez has been getting lit up and throwing 87 mph. I'm starting to feel a disaster sort of feeling.

Perez was 88-91 today and the defense was just horrible because of weather conditions and errors. He should have been put of the inning easily. He got 5 outs in the 3rd inning. His line should have been 3 IP, 2 H, 1 ER.

I know Perez allowed a lot of unearned runs and that's a problem but the team defense was horrible. A wet field and wind made every popup an adventure. Seriously, today's outing means nothing.
   13. Danny Posted: March 07, 2008 at 11:23 PM (#2708545)
Their CF cannot be much worse than Andruw's stink bomb last year.

Let me introduce you to Mark Kotsay's 2007 batting line: .214/.279/.296
   14. Bicycle RepairMan Posted: March 07, 2008 at 11:23 PM (#2708546)

I think the Braves should be favored over the Phils at least.


i am a Braves' fan, and i can't see it. The core 3 starters are on the older side, and Hudson needs to replicate his performance from last year. Chipper is injury prone. Say what you will about Andruw, just from watching, last year was one of his best defensive years in the last 5.

OTOH, Myers is back in the rotation. They picked up Lidge. Madson might be healthy this year. Utley missed some time. Burrell took the first half of the year off. And they improved significantly at 3B.
They are going to miss Rowand, but Victorino might replace some of it, atleast the defence. RF should be decent with a Werth/Jenkins platoon.
I think the Phillies have improved.
   15. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: March 07, 2008 at 11:30 PM (#2708551)
Having Myers back in the rotation does improve them, to be sure, but his value is only inasmuch as he's better than Kendrick was last year. They don't have him in addition to what Kendrick did last year, because that isn't happening again.
   16. Justin Zeth, dog Posted: March 07, 2008 at 11:46 PM (#2708558)
The Braves will contend... if Chipper Jones and John Smoltz continue to be Chipper Jones and John Smoltz. If either one of them falters, it's over, and it has to happen sometime.
   17. NTNgod Posted: March 08, 2008 at 01:14 AM (#2708575)
The New York Mets, in need of a corner outfielder after learning they will be without Moises Alou for two months because of hernia surgery, have contacted the Pirates to inquire about Xavier Nady, a team source said yesterday. But there is no indication anything substantive is afoot or even likely.

The Pirates would seek prospects in any Nady trade, probably pitchers, and the Mets' system is not rich in that regard. Moreover, the Pirates see Nady's value rising over the summer if he can show he is healthy.
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   18. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: March 08, 2008 at 03:45 AM (#2708604)
Moises Alou is already out until May. But that was factored into all of his projections -- not the precise injury, of course, just the injury at some point(s). James gave him 455 at bats with an .837 OPS.


Can we dismiss a projection system out of hand based on one absurdity? How off do the basic equations have to be to project a 41 year-old outfielder to suddenly increase his playing time after a three year trend toward less ABs?
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