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Tuesday, April 29, 2008

Sports media will be analyzed on HBO’s “Costas Now”

The sports media will take center stage on a special live, 90-minute edition of “Costas Now” at 10 p.m. Tuesday on HBO. There will be five segments on the show, and it will be conducted in a town-hall setting.

“On [Tuesday], we’re going to take stock of the sports media landscape,”HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg said. “We look forward to a comprehensive and opinionated evening of discussion.”

Segment One: Sports Talk Radio. Video package interviews: Chicago radio host Mike North, Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Hines Ward, Chicago Sun-Times columnist Jay Mariotti and WFAN radio hosts Mike and the Mad Dog. Live Panel: N.Y. Giants defensive end Michael Strahan, best selling author and radio host Mitch Albom and WFAN radio host Christopher “Mad Dog” Russo.

Segment Two: The Internet and Impact of Bloggers. Video package interviews: deadspin.com editor Will Leitch, TV writer and media critic Michael Schur and Washington Post columnist and PTI host Michael Wilbon. Live panel: Pulitzer Prize winning author Buzz Bissinger, Will Leitch and Cleveland Browns wide receiver Braylon Edwards.

Segment Six: Eight town drugdrunks (including Glocko the Swill) will discuss how embarrassing it is for a grown man to be caught carrying a Mickey Mantle baseball card while receiving full depantsiation rights in a hobo alleyway.

Repoz Posted: April 29, 2008 at 01:48 PM | 41 comment(s)
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   1. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: April 29, 2008 at 02:09 PM (#2762588)
ah, the media. never tires of talking about itself to itself. when will someone come up with a media show that analyzes costas's show's analysis of the media?
   2. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: April 29, 2008 at 02:17 PM (#2762603)
Segment Two: The Internet and Impact of Bloggers. Video package interviews: deadspin.com editor Will Leitch, TV writer and media critic Michael Schur and Washington Post columnist and PTI host Michael Wilbon. Live panel: Pulitzer Prize winning author Buzz Bissinger, Will Leitch and Cleveland Browns wide receiver Braylon Edwards.

I'm wondering how he'll handle this in view of his recent comments on bloggers. He backed off a bit, and he seems like a reasonable enough fellow that he'll give bloggers a fair shake once he hears them out.
   3. Repoz Posted: April 29, 2008 at 02:24 PM (#2762615)
From the Tremendous Schur...

I will appear on a segment of HBO's "Costas Now" tonight. Subject matter: Is Miley Cyrus too young for that Vanity Fair picture? Or "Bloggers and Sports Media." They interviewed me for both and haven't told me which one I'm in.

There is also a live panel (of which I am not a part) with Will Leitch, Buzz Bissinger, and of course Braylon Edwards.

HBO. Sometime tonight.
   4. Billy Wagner's tears Posted: April 29, 2008 at 02:43 PM (#2762658)
I canceled HBO because I was not happy with them canceling Inside the NFL. I actually enjoyed that show more than the other weekly highlight shows. Maybe its just my anti-Cowboys bias but I cannot stand highlights with Emmitt, Irvin or Deion. I enjoy Chris Collinsworth analysis and to some degree the banter between Marino and Carter.

Maybe its just because I grew up on Nick and Len. When I was a kid and there was nobody to hang with I used to do slow motion plays in my front yard and try to speak like Kalas as I was playing.

Of course I noticed all I was really watching on HBO were the sports shows, Real Time with Bill Maher and Entourage, so when the new season of Entourage comes out, I'm sure I'll sign back up.
   5. Chuck Oliveros Posted: April 29, 2008 at 02:44 PM (#2762662)
I just heard Costas on the Mike Turico (sp?) radio show. Years ago, someone told me that, when commenting on someone or something, everything before the "but" was BS. Well, several times Costas said there was some good things in blogs and on web sites, BUT... He then went on to criticize bloggers and non-traditional commenters, so he might have backed off some, but it seems that his opinion remains the same.
   6. Jimmy P Posted: April 29, 2008 at 02:47 PM (#2762674)
He then went on to criticize bloggers and non-traditional commenters, so he might have backed off some, but it seems that his opinion remains the same.

Did he actually make the seperation between bloggers and commenters? Lots of mainstream guys have a big problem with that. Funny, every person I know that reads blogs ignores the comments altogether, yet every mainstream guy reads the comments ad nauseum.

Also, you'd think the media wouldn't be so quick to deride their customer base. Guess they haven't learned anything from the RIAA.
   7. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: April 29, 2008 at 05:24 PM (#2762928)
Has the recording industry suffered because of the RIAA and its attitude, or because of market forces? Yes, market forces . . .
   8. NTNgod Posted: April 29, 2008 at 05:36 PM (#2762934)

Also, you'd think the media wouldn't be so quick to deride their customer base. Guess they haven't learned anything from the RIAA.


Even if the RIAA didn't do anything one way or the other, the music industry would still be hurting.
   9. KingKaufman Posted: April 29, 2008 at 05:55 PM (#2762950)
Years ago, someone told me that, when commenting on someone or something, everything before the "but" was BS.

This is similar to a maxim that dawned on me a while ago: If someone says "I'm not a racist, BUT," the next thing that comes out of their mouth will be racist.
   10. AndrewJ Posted: April 29, 2008 at 06:07 PM (#2762961)
Maybe Costas has already tackled this particular topic, but I'd to see a full-length examination of how the media have handled steroids in baseball -- how the same reporters who mindlessly lionized McGwire, Sosa, Clemens, etc in the 1990s turned, on a dime, into self-righteously annihilating the same players...
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: April 29, 2008 at 06:44 PM (#2762989)
Maybe Costas has already tackled this particular topic, but I'd to see a full-length examination of how the media have handled steroids in baseball -- how the same reporters who mindlessly lionized McGwire, Sosa, Clemens, etc in the 1990s turned, on a dime, into self-righteously annihilating the same players...


with his anti-blogger stance, there is no way he would actually be critical of the actual villains of the story. He is part of that same media that ignored early bloggers complaining about enhancers, and he's part of the media that to this day still covers up their culpability in the situation much better than anybody else has succeeded in covering up themselves. It's funny the sports media is pretty incompetent in everything but protecting it's own interest.
   12. Jose Can Jussi Jokinen (Justin T) Posted: April 29, 2008 at 06:45 PM (#2762990)
Also, when you start a sentence by saying "With all due respect..." what follows can be as offensive as you want and the other person can't get mad at you.
   13. JJ1986 Posted: April 29, 2008 at 06:54 PM (#2762993)
With all due respect, I don't think that Bob Costas, as a member of the sports media, is the right person to be doing this. He seems like a smart, knowledgeable guy, but he also seems to have no idea about what sports blogs actually are and to just parrot the idiotic ramblings of radio show host ########.
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: April 29, 2008 at 07:04 PM (#2763002)
Great post JJ1986.
   15. Srul Itza Posted: April 29, 2008 at 07:29 PM (#2763049)
The thing about the phrase "with all due respect", is that it leaves open the question -- just how much respect was due -- and then proceeds to suggest that the answer is "little or none"
   16. Baseballing powerhouse Crispix Attacks Posted: April 29, 2008 at 07:30 PM (#2763060)
With all due respect, I think Srul Itz deserves the respect that is his due.
   17. schuey Posted: April 29, 2008 at 07:40 PM (#2763073)
Any panel with idiots like Chris Russo and Jay Mariotti on it should not be taken seriously. It's like having a panel with Lanny Davis and James Carville on it. With all due respect, nothing intelligent is going to come out of their mouths.
   18. Baseballing powerhouse Crispix Attacks Posted: April 29, 2008 at 07:44 PM (#2763075)
Especially if they're talking about BLOGGING, something they don't even have experience with.

"So, Dog, as I understand it, these bloggers are idiots. Based on your long experience as an idiot, can you tell me something about what motivates these people?"
   19. Tommy Etelamaki Posted: April 29, 2008 at 10:53 PM (#2763754)
Funny, every person I know that reads blogs ignores the comments altogether, yet every mainstream guy reads the comments ad nauseum.

I never read blog comments, and I especially don't write them.

Also, I never apologize. I'm sorry, but that's just the way I am.
   20. John Brill's #1 Fan (JMN) Posted: April 29, 2008 at 11:01 PM (#2763775)
The thing about the phrase "with all due respect", is that it leaves open the question -- just how much respect was due -- and then proceeds to suggest that the answer is "little or none"

This is like, "I'm doing well, all things considered." If you've really considered all things, then you are feeling exactly as you would expect.
   21. TVerik fondly recalls Todd Palin's facial hair Posted: April 29, 2008 at 11:07 PM (#2763784)
This is similar to a maxim that dawned on me a while ago: If someone says "I'm not a racist, BUT," the next thing that comes out of their mouth will be racist.


Michael Kay, during Yankee broadcasts, inevitably says, "Now, this is not an excuse..." and then proceeds to whine about how difficult baseball playing life is, what with late plane trips.
   22. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: April 29, 2008 at 11:08 PM (#2763788)
This is similar to a maxim that dawned on me a while ago: If someone says "I'm not a racist, BUT," the next thing that comes out of their mouth will be racist.

Or how "no pun intended" really means they intended the pun.
   23. TVerik fondly recalls Todd Palin's facial hair Posted: April 29, 2008 at 11:12 PM (#2763791)
BUT, those freakin' paprika-snorting Hungarians!!!!!!
   24. Damon Rutherford Posted: April 30, 2008 at 02:50 AM (#2763915)
Pardon my French, but this thread is ####### stupid.
   25. Damon Rutherford Posted: April 30, 2008 at 02:57 AM (#2763917)
You promise not to get upset? Promise!? OK ... this thread is ####### stupid.
   26. PreservedFish Posted: April 30, 2008 at 04:25 AM (#2763931)
"No pun intended" is also annoying because it sort of suggests that the listener isn't smart enough to pick up on the pun.

This is like, "I'm doing well, all things considered." If you've really considered all things, then you are feeling exactly as you would expect.

I've gone over this a few times and I still don't understand the objection.
   27. The Politics of Torre: How the HOF Really Works Posted: April 30, 2008 at 08:09 AM (#2763954)
Funny, every person I know that reads blogs ignores the comments altogether, yet every mainstream guy reads the comments ad nauseum.


I only read BTF, Cardboard Gods, Comics Curmudgeon, and a couple of other comic strip blogs on a regular basis. I read the comments at all of them except Comics Curmudgeon. So there. Nothing against CC, there's just so many comments a day and I need some time away from the computer.
   28. Austin Kearns: The Spy Who Shagged Flies Posted: April 30, 2008 at 08:14 AM (#2763955)
Well, having seen the show, I learned that all sports websites are tabloids, filled with curse words and spreading gossip. Whether intentional or not, putting Will Leitsch on the panel to represent the internet certainly gives that impression.

There were plenty of comments about how the mainstream media has the insight (journalism school, years of experience, etc.) to cover sports in a better fashion. No discussion about how many of the sites out there hold the mainstream writers to the higher standard they claim to have. Essentially, holding the sports columnists to the same scrutiny that sports columnists hold athletes to.

But plenty of discussion around a post by a commenter with the ID BallsDeep.

The most interesting thing in the show was Joe Buck basically admitting that Fox thinks baseball is boring.
   29. Craig Calcaterra Posted: April 30, 2008 at 08:24 AM (#2763962)
In legal/political circles it's long been known that anything following the words "candidly" or "frankly" is a big stinkin' lie.
   30. Jimmy P Posted: April 30, 2008 at 10:41 AM (#2764059)
But plenty of discussion around a post by a commenter with the ID BallsDeep.

See, and this is where they totally miss the friggin' point. They attribute commenters posts to blogs, where that's not the case at all. If I go and read Joe Posnaski, and then post a comment on his blog, they'll attribute my comment to his blog.
   31. aleskel Posted: April 30, 2008 at 11:07 AM (#2764069)
Well, having seen the show, I learned that all sports websites are tabloids, filled with curse words and spreading gossip.

having seen the show, I learned that most mainstream sportswriters are petty, vindictive, insecure dicks who have a have a greater sense of privilege than any grown man should, particularly grown men who devote their lives to writing about what younger man do that they can't.
   32. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: April 30, 2008 at 11:56 AM (#2764101)
See, and this is where they totally miss the friggin' point. They attribute commenters posts to blogs, where that's not the case at all. If I go and read Joe Posnaski, and then post a comment on his blog, they'll attribute my comment to his blog.

Which is really dumb because many newspapers now have comments sections online for their print columns. I can just as easily post a comment on Joe Posnanski's column at the KC Star as I can for an entry on his blog. So I guess my comment on his blog counts as part of his work, while my comment on his print column does not?
   33. Randy Jones Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:13 PM (#2764119)
But plenty of discussion around a post by a commenter with the ID BallsDeep.

Just to be accurate, Balls Deep is a weekly post on Deadspin written by Big Daddy Drew, who also writes for KSK, not just some random comment posting.
   34. The Clarence Thomas of BTF (scott) Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:27 PM (#2764133)
i'm a big fan of big daddy balls. err. drew. err.

that buzz guy was a whackjob. figures that he's only ever done one worthwhile thing.
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:40 PM (#2764149)
i'm a big fan of big daddy balls. err. drew. err.


Wow, you're a big fan of the guy who wrote what's featured on RJ's link. To me, that's where objections to the internet culture should start. It's pure trash.
   36. Koot Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:45 PM (#2764163)
The most interesting thing in the show was Joe Buck basically admitting that Fox thinks baseball is boring.


This was the most infuriating part of show. Buck was much more tolerable and funny than I would have imagined (claiming to be BallsDeep), but his callous defense on FOX's treatment of baseball and their rationale was terrible.

For anyone who missed it, he basically explained that FOX feels that most baseball fans are going to watch it anyway, so they have no obligation to make it enjoyable for them. Instead, they will dumb the game down and add senseless garbage to attract the more casual fan. So, instead of the things that add to the game (split screen showing the pitcher and batter between pitches), we're treated to extra garbage that FOX thinks will help attract "casual fans" (fan cam, Tim McCarver).
   37. Randy Jones Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:48 PM (#2764170)
Wow, you're a big fan of the guy who wrote what's featured on RJ's link. To me, that's where objections to the internet culture should start. It's pure trash.

I'm not going to defend the latest post, because it isn't very good, but many of the posts on KSK are hilarious. Also, the stuff that BDD writes for Deadspin is generally better than his stuff on KSK.
   38. Randy Jones Posted: April 30, 2008 at 12:50 PM (#2764175)
This was the most infuriating part of show. Buck was much more tolerable and funny than I would have imagined (claiming to be BallsDeep), but his callous defense on FOX's treatment of baseball and their rationale was terrible.

For anyone who missed it, he basically explained that FOX feels that most baseball fans are going to watch it anyway, so they have no obligation to make it enjoyable for them. Instead, they will dumb the game down and add senseless garbage to attract the more casual fan. So, instead of the things that add to the game (split screen showing the pitcher and batter between pitches), we're treated to extra garbage that FOX thinks will help attract "casual fans" (fan cam, Tim McCarver).


I thought we all already knew that this was FOX's rationale?
   39. aleskel Posted: April 30, 2008 at 01:02 PM (#2764191)
This was the most infuriating part of show

no kidding - after devoting a full segment to (basically) letting a middle-aged man rag on the interwebs, they move to a segment about how TV (which has more of a presense in the sports world than the blogs and the newspapers combined) has been dumbed down, then letting three TV guys shrug it off: "hey, no big deal, it's what the people want."

In a world where John Kruk and Emmett Smith can widely disseminate their opinions, we're supposed to wring our hands over Deadspin?
   40. Daryn Posted: April 30, 2008 at 01:09 PM (#2764200)
In legal/political circles it's long been known that anything following the words "candidly" or "frankly" is a big stinkin' lie.

The worst thing a witness can say while on the stand after having testified for awhile is "To tell the truth..." or "To be perfectly honest...". It is hilariously devastating when it happens.
   41. Petunia Posted: April 30, 2008 at 02:24 PM (#2764349)
Which is really dumb because many newspapers now have comments sections online for their print columns. I can just as easily post a comment on Joe Posnanski's column at the KC Star as I can for an entry on his blog. So I guess my comment on his blog counts as part of his work, while my comment on his print column does not?

The extra funny part of that is the almost universal rule of thumb that the closer you get to mainstream media outlets, the worse the comments get. Signal to noise is extremely close to zero in the comments on Fox, CBS, ESPN articles/columns. Even the specific example you cite -- comments on Posnanski's blog are MUCH more rational/interesting/relevant than the ones on his KC Star columns.
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