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Friday, August 27, 2010

StL Today: La Russa, Pujols will appear at Washington rally

“Gateway Arch showing rust and decay”...and you ain’t ####### kidding.

Cardinals first baseman and three-time NL Most Valuable Player Albert Pujols will be among several honorees at a highly publicized and potentially politically charged Saturday morning rally expected to draw more than 20,000 to The Mall.

Organized by Fox News talk show host Glenn Beck and featuring former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, the “Restoring Honor” rally is scheduled to take place at the base of the Lincoln Memorial on the 47th anniversary of Dr. Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech.

Beck, who met Pujols at Busch Stadium before a June appearance at Chaifetz Arena, is promoting the event as an apolitical celebration of the First Amendment and the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, scheduled to introduce Pujols, insisted Thursday that he and Pujols are attending only after receiving assurances that the event is not a thinly disguised political rally.

Some liberal critics have portrayed the three-hour event as a platform for the conservative Tea Party movement.

“I made it clear when we were approached: I said, ‘If it’s political, I wouldn’t even approach Albert with it.’ I don’t want to be there if it’s political,” La Russa said.

Also…Dave Zirin’s “A Plea for Albert Pujols Not to Attend Glenn Beck Rally”.

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   1. The Essex Snead Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:23 PM (#3627230)
Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, scheduled to introduce Pujols, insisted Thursday that he and Pujols are attending only after receiving assurances that the event is not a thinly disguised political rally.

Enjoy your Soylent Green, LaGenius.
   2. Sam Hutcheson is the 'saur with the rainbow roar Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:25 PM (#3627233)
Useful idiots.
   3. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:29 PM (#3627236)
This is funny. I hope La Russa is just being dishonest; I can't believe he's that stupid.
   4. Crispix Attacks Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:29 PM (#3627239)
Somehow I am much more disturbed to see Albert Pujols inserting himself into public life to support extremist right-wing demagogues than I was when Jeff Suppan was doing it. Maybe he'll reconsider if he gets mistaken for a Muslim and booed off the stage.
   5. Yankee Redneck is a Pinhead. Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:30 PM (#3627241)
Will Pujols be required to present his work visa, his long-form birth certificate, or both?

Maybe he'll reconsider if he gets mistaken for a Muslim and booed off the stage.


Muslim? Look at that boy, his back's still wet!
   6. robinred Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:30 PM (#3627244)
LaRussa is only doing this because he knows that Beck runs rallies the right way.
   7. TerpNats Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:32 PM (#3627248)
One wishes Tony La Russa cared for the human population as much as he does their animal brethren.
   8. Sam Hutcheson is the 'saur with the rainbow roar Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:36 PM (#3627256)
Somehow I am much more disturbed to see Albert Pujols inserting himself into public life to support extremist right-wing demagogues than I was when Jeff Suppan was doing it.


Isn't he a big right-to-lifer?
   9. RJ in TO Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:38 PM (#3627262)
Isn't the Mosque thread still active? Do we really need another politics thread?
   10. robinred Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:40 PM (#3627268)
Isn't the Mosque thread still active?


Mostly just nastiness right now. Andy giving some facts about Civil Rights Movement.
   11. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:41 PM (#3627269)
20,000 people only? I am guessing Fox News will say there are 250,000+. Ray will have to give us updates.
   12. rpackrat Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:44 PM (#3627273)
It just became a lot easier to root against the Cardinals.
   13. RJ in TO Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:44 PM (#3627277)
Mostly just nastiness right now.

And a thread mentioning Palin, Beck, and (especially) La Russa won't be filled with nastiness?
   14. Ben V-L Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:49 PM (#3627283)
Speaking as a Cardinal fan ..... La Russa pals around with Bobby Knight, so he's clearly got no taste. But Pujols getting into this ... it's just sad.

Yuck.
   15. bunyon Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:49 PM (#3627285)
Beck told him that it was "A big rally against the Reds."
   16. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:49 PM (#3627286)
While this makes me want to vomit onto my keyboard, it is their right as much as it was the Rays to campaign with Obama in 2008. Still...####### Glen Beck? How do people buy his bulslhit?
   17. kthejoker Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:52 PM (#3627293)
"I am so upset that my baseball heroes don't have the same political and moral philosophies I do."
   18. Deacon Blues Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:52 PM (#3627295)
more importantly, strasburg is having tommy john. this sucks.
   19. neilsen Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:54 PM (#3627298)
" The rally is expected to include a faith-based message, something that squares with Pujols' commitment to his faith as well as his Pujols Family Foundation. "


The Pujols Family Foundation exists to honor God and strengthen families through our works, deeds and examples. Since beginning this foundation in 2005, we have sought to help those living with Down syndrome here at home and to improve the lives of the impoverished in the Dominican Republic. Along the way, God has blessed us richly, and for those of you who have been a part of that journey we offer our gratitude.


Sounds terrible.
   20. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:55 PM (#3627300)
So with the aid of B-Ref, I assembled my home state's all-time All-Star team ...

Mississippi

C - Jake Gibbs
1B - Dmitri Young
2B - Frank White
3B - Charlie Hayes
SS - Eric McNair
LF - Ellis Burks
CF - Chet Lemon
RF - Dave Parker
RHS - Roy Oswalt
LHS - Vinegar Bend Mizell
CL - Chad Bradford

MGR - Harry Walker
   21. Frank McCourt's Gold Stars are in bankruptcy court Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:55 PM (#3627301)
“I made it clear when we were approached: I said, ‘If it’s political, I wouldn’t even approach Albert with it.’ I don’t want to be there if it’s political,” La Russa said.
I'm speechless. My gast is flabbered.
   22. Sean Forman Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:57 PM (#3627303)
I have to think that LaRussa and Pujols have no idea the ****storm they just stepped into. This could get really, really ugly for them. Regardless of what you think of the politics involved (and I'd be saying the same if they attended the Communist party convention or some such thing), but this will have to be a major distraction going into the last month of the season. "So Albert, there were several speakers who commented on the 14th amendment. Several of your children were born in the U.S. prior to your gaining citizenship in 2007, would you agree that their citizenship should be revoked?" and over and over. To my mind this goes much beyond campaigning for mainline candidates.
   23. Crispix Attacks Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:57 PM (#3627305)
Isn't he a big right-to-lifer?


A lot of otherwise liberal people feel that way...it doesn't necessarily mean he wants to put Glenn Beck in the White House.
   24. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:59 PM (#3627309)
Oh boy Albert, now you've done it. Just by merely showing up there everyone is going to automatically assume that that must mean you're a conservative, and therefore you've just gotten yourself put onto the permanent enemies' list of Baseball Think Factory's pathetic little bunch of lefties. You'd better recant fast, or this place will never root for you to break the home run record.
   25. Bob Tufts Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:00 PM (#3627311)
The National Park Service estimates that there will be 100,000 people and is planning for 100,000 to 200,000 people when combined with Rev. Al Sharpton's event and other assorted gatherings.

The only Muslim baseball player that I can find is Sammy Khalifa, who played for the Pirates from 1985-87. His father, Rashad Khalifa, founded an Islamic religious sect which appeared to cause some ill will within the Muslim community, as he was assassinated in a mosque in Tucson, AZ in 1990.
   26. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:01 PM (#3627314)
Red Rolfe was a regular contributor to Daily Worker. Four members of the 1984 San Diego Padres belonged to the John Birch Society. Tom Cruise and many other Hollywood stars are big fans of Scientology. And now The Genius and Albert Pujols are going to a Glenn Beck rally. I'm not sure what the big deal is in any of these cases. Do people really think that talent in one area necessarily translates into common sense in another?
   27. gef the talking mongoose Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:02 PM (#3627315)
I wonder if any of the Gashouse Gang (what an unfortunate name in that context) made it over to the Nuremberg Rallies? (And if Joey B. had a time machine, which one he'd choose to go to, or whether he'd try for them all?)
   28. Crispix Attacks Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:03 PM (#3627317)
Oh boy Albert, now you've done it. Just by merely showing up there everyone is going to automatically assume that that must mean you're a conservative, and therefore you've just gotten yourself put onto the permanent enemies' list of Baseball Think Factory's pathetic little bunch of lefties. You'd better recant fast, or this place will never root for you to break the home run record.


Why would someone lend a celebrity endorsement to the movement to put Glenn Beck in the White House if he wasn't a conservative?
   29. Bob Tufts Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:05 PM (#3627320)
Another Washington event of importance - Strasberg to have Tommy John surgery, may miss 2011 season.

Rob Dibble told him to suck it up during the operation.
   30. AndrewJ Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:05 PM (#3627321)
Never saw him pander.
   31. Sam Hutcheson is the 'saur with the rainbow roar Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:06 PM (#3627326)
I'm speechless. My gast is flabbered.


I think this is the real "wow" bit for most people. Who on Earth could think "Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are inviting me to a rally on the anniversary of MLK's 'I Have A Dream' speech, in the same spot, to 'take back the Civil Rights movement'; gosh, I'll only go if it's not political."

Are they that stupid?
   32. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:07 PM (#3627327)
Oh boy Albert, now you've done it. Just by merely showing up there everyone is going to automatically assume that that must mean you're a conservative, and therefore you've just gotten yourself put onto the permanent enemies' list of Baseball Think Factory's pathetic little bunch of lefties. You'd better recant fast, or this place will never root for you to break the home run record.

You really believe this, don't you?
   33. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:07 PM (#3627329)
The National Park Service estimates that there will be 100,000 people and is planning for 100,000 to 200,000 people when combined with Rev. Al Sharpton's event and other assorted gatherings.

Yep it is a huge weekend in DC. Pretty much all the hotels are sold out. You have Beck, Sharpton, and a Women's pride or some such rally going on.

Just based on a one year sample size the tea partiers are the biggest a-holes of all the rallies, conventions, and such that have come through and I thought that before I knew what their political views were.
   34. Guapo Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:08 PM (#3627330)
Just by merely showing up there everyone is going to automatically assume that that must mean you're a conservative, and therefore you've just gotten yourself put onto the permanent enemies' list of Baseball Think Factory's pathetic little bunch of lefties.


Available at Sean Forman's latest site, permanentenemies-reference.com
   35. Sam Hutcheson is the 'saur with the rainbow roar Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:10 PM (#3627341)
and a Women's pride or some such rally going on.


Yesterday was the anniversary of the passage of universal sufferage. It's sort of a big deal for the women-folk.

Edited for clarity.
   36. Shibal Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:11 PM (#3627343)
To my mind this goes much beyond campaigning for mainline candidates.


What's your opinion of the players who want to boycott the All-Star game because of the Arizona law? Heroes?


Nice job Albert.

Be prepared to be called a bigot by the tolerant folks, though.
   37. Stevis Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:13 PM (#3627346)
Gotta concur with McCoy. The last time the teabaggers were here, they clogged up the Metro--a government-funded transit system, by the way--not obeying the rules or customs, and left their discarded, misspelled signs all over the place. Except proper trash or recycling receptacles, of course.
   38. HCO, Transgressive Herbivore Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:13 PM (#3627347)
It would be pretty hard to be a baseball fan and never root for conservative players.
   39. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:13 PM (#3627348)
I tried.
   40. Joe Bivens, Schmoo from Massachoosetts Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:14 PM (#3627351)
Wait, Beck is running for president?

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee that's funny. It doesn't get much better than that.

Wait til they chop him up. "Chop chop chop chop chop, now get back to your FOXNEWS cubby hole and stay there punk!"
   41. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:15 PM (#3627355)
Wow, there's already a lot of hate and ignorance here from right-wingers with persecution complexes. What are the odds?
   42. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:16 PM (#3627359)
really believe this, don't you?

Of course. Joey is one of the most hateful people I've ever encountered on the interwebs; that's quite a feat.

I don't really care that TLR and Pujols are going to the rally. That's their right. And just as people on the right shouldn't get worked up about singers or actors or athletes supporting leftwing candidates and causes, people on the left shouldn't get worked up about the reverse. Of course, that doesn't mean those public figures should be immune from criticism. What bothers me a little is the idiocy and/or hypocrisy of TLR's claim that this isn't a political rally.
   43. gef the talking mongoose Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:17 PM (#3627360)
It would be pretty hard to be a baseball fan and never root for conservative players.


Yet another reason I stick to the numbers & do my damnedest to pay as little attention as possible to the all-too-often reprehensible cretins creating them.
   44. Juan V is the mustard of your doom! Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:17 PM (#3627364)
Red Rolfe was a regular contributor to Daily Worker.


Figures.
   45. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:18 PM (#3627366)
Wow, there's already a lot of hate and ignorance here from right-wingers with persecution complexes. What are the odds?


They have small cocks and are married to fat women too.
   46. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:18 PM (#3627368)
Nice job Albert.

Be prepared to be called a bigot by the tolerant folks, though.


Wake me up when this actually happens.
   47. Sean Forman Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:20 PM (#3627369)
What's your opinion of the players who want to boycott the All-Star game because of the Arizona law? Heroes?


Did you actually read my note? What I was saying is that doing this in the middle of a critical run for the team strikes me as a bolder and potentially more distracting act than campaigning for McCain or Obama. The tea party is not mainstream just like the communists aren't and doing this during the last 30 game stretch of the season (in the heat of the playoff run) strikes me as not a team-first move. If I were the GM or owner I would be more than a little bit angered about my two most important employees doing this at this time. Just as BP's board probably didn't like their CEO heading to a yacht race in the middle of the gulf oil spill.
   48. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:20 PM (#3627370)
Is it is just me or has Hostesss CupCakes gotten smaller since I was a kid?

Yesterday was the anniversary of the passage of universal sufferage. It's sort of a big deal for the women-folk.

I still enjoy the Mans Show's attempt to petition an end to women suffrage.
   49. TerpNats Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:21 PM (#3627371)
Yesterday was the anniversary of the passage of universal sufferage. It's sort of a big deal for the women-folk.

Edited for clarity.
You didn't edit enough; the word is suffrage. (Am trying to think of a good synonym for "sufferage" without using one of the usual suspects -- John Sterling, etc.) And the "women-folk"? Where do you hail from, Dodge City at the time of "Gunsmoke"?
   50. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:22 PM (#3627373)
Red Rolfe was a regular contributor to Daily Worker.

Figures.


Pure coincidence. His nickname came from his red hair.
   51. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:26 PM (#3627384)
Of course. Joey is one of the most hateful people I've ever encountered on the interwebs; that's quite a feat.

And you're one of the biggest psychological projectors I've ever encountered on the intertubes.

The hard core lefty cadre on this site is one of the biggest bunch of angry haters going. And that is the one and only reason why Viola has a mandate to post the non-baseball related political crap like this on here: because the site managers know that it's going to whip up the redshirts into yet another multi-thousand post frenzy.
   52. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:28 PM (#3627387)
The hard core lefty cadre on this site is one of the biggest bunch of angry haters going. And that is the one and only reason why Viola has a mandate to post the non-baseball related political crap like this on here: because the site managers know that it's going to whip up the redshirts into yet another multi-thousand post frenzy.



Are you going to cry?
   53. Yankee Redneck is a Pinhead. Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:28 PM (#3627388)
You hippies can't claim the teabagger rally will be lacking in diversity this time. They've added a Mexican in Pujols, plus LaRussa who I believe is part eggplant.
   54. Gern Blanston Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:30 PM (#3627393)
“I made it clear when we were approached: I said, ‘If it’s political, I wouldn’t even approach Albert with it.’ I don’t want to be there if it’s political,” La Russa said.

Then why bother going at all? 'Cause it's supposed to be nice out?
   55. musial6 Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:30 PM (#3627395)
This is funny. I hope La Russa is just being dishonest; I can't believe he's that stupid.


He was stupid enough to start Felipe Lopez at short last night.

LaRussa will realize his folly mid-rally and substitute Brendan Ryan for Pujols.
   56. Esoteric Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:30 PM (#3627396)
I'm very happy to see the greatest manager and greatest baseball player currently in the game come out against the Obama regime (despite the "what, me?" straight face claim from LaRussa about how it's 'not political' I think we all know the score) and their hideous policies. A very popular move back home in Missouri and the right thing to do for all of America.

Seriously, I'm excited as hell about this and I hope to see him at the rally, which I'm flying in to attend as well. I look forward to all positive coverage of the 250,000+ people marching on DC being effectively suppressed by the mainstream media.
   57. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:31 PM (#3627397)
You hippies can't claim the teabagger rally will be lacking in diversity this time. They've added a Mexican in Pujols, plus LaRussa who I believe is part eggplant.

Reminds me of a In Living Color skit in which they show the "diversity" of the Republican Party.
   58. Gern Blanston Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:32 PM (#3627400)
It just became a lot easier to root against the Cardinals.

Yes. Which is why this story is teh awesomez.
   59. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:32 PM (#3627403)
Why would someone lend a celebrity endorsement to the movement to put Glenn Beck in the White House if he wasn't a conservative?


Maybe he's a nihilist?
   60. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:33 PM (#3627402)
The hard core lefty cadre on this site is one of the biggest bunch of angry haters going. And that is the one and only reason why Viola has a mandate to post the non-baseball related political crap like this on here

The noted Commie agent Viola Liuzzo?
   61. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:33 PM (#3627404)
Isn't he a big right-to-lifer?

He's the parent of a child with Down's. That viewpoint tends to come with the territory, and understandably so.

Professional athletes tend to be politically conservative. If Pujols and TLR were, say, attending a Mitt Romney 2012 rally, I'd have no problem. My problem is that, a, Beck is fringe-dwelling loon (I'd say the same if they attended a drum circle hosted by Ward Churchill) and, b, this is potentially divisive move that comes just as this team is circling the drain. The blame falls on TLR for not nipping this in the bud at the start. And I don't believe for a second that he thinks this is a non-political happening. Poor, poor decision.
   62. Joe Bivens, Schmoo from Massachoosetts Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:33 PM (#3627406)
Andy, you know as well as I that A real American would have dyed his hair and changed his nickname. These, and those, were and are dangerous times. Dangerous.
   63. Gern Blanston Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:34 PM (#3627409)
Beck told him that it was "A big rally against the Reds."

win
   64. Guapo Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:35 PM (#3627410)
And that is the one and only reason why Viola has a mandate to post the non-baseball related political crap like this on here: because the site managers know that it's going to whip up the redshirts into yet another multi-thousand post frenzy.


It's a little known fact that Furtado has an arrangement with ACORN whereby everytime one of us posts, they send him $0.05 of Imam Rauf's money via an illegal immigrant's PayPal account.
   65. Sam Hutcheson is the 'saur with the rainbow roar Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:36 PM (#3627411)
I tried.


Now you know how I feel about John Smoltz.
   66. Dan The Mediocre Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:37 PM (#3627412)
And you're one of the biggest psychological projectors I've ever encountered on the intertubes.


I bet you're also angry he references Strasburg in his handle, aren't you?
   67. zachtoma Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:37 PM (#3627414)
Isn't the Mosque thread still active? Do we really need another politics thread?


This sentiment I can never understand. How the hell has political discussion become so verboten? Doesn't it say a lot about our national politics if it's considered 'impolite' to invite conversation on the topic? And most of all, wouldn't it be much easier for someone who doesn't want any part of it to, you know, just not participate - instead of planting hijacks or deliberately trying to shut it down? I can definitely respect being exasperated by the vitriol and impassioned hyperbole that these kind of discussions can devolve into, but to suggest that therefore matters of national politics do not make appropriate conversation is more regressive than anything else.
   68. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:38 PM (#3627416)
I'm very happy to see the greatest manager ... currently in the game

You haven't watched many Cardinals games this season have you?
   69. hokieneer Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:38 PM (#3627417)
My problem is that, a, Beck is fringe-dwelling loon

I know some people feel this way, can't say I blame them. It's hard to classify Beck as fringe when his show pulls in such a large number of viewers. Clearly a large group of people care about what he has to say.
   70. gef the talking mongoose Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:39 PM (#3627418)
eriously, I'm excited as hell about this and I hope to see him at the rally, which I'm flying in to attend as well.


Assuming you're serious, that would seem to indicate that you're dangerously insane -- a threat not only to yourself but others.

Wow.
   71. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:40 PM (#3627420)
A very popular move back home in Missouri and the right thing to do for all of America.

Isn't STL Democrat country and didn't McCain win the state by something like a tenth of a point? Seems this move would be divisive not popular.
   72. Esoteric Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:40 PM (#3627422)
My problem is that, a, Beck is fringe-dwelling loon (I'd say the same if they attended a drum circle hosted by Ward Churchill
The casually hateful way you compare Beck (who is often over the top, but really, that's pretty much it) to Ward "Little Eichmanns" Churchill explains, in its own way, the reason the Democrats are going to be steamrolled like nothing else in living memory come November.

Seriously, I don't even LIKE Beck that much. But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and let all of YOU compare everyone making arguments or running for office on the other side to "extremists" and "racists" and Ward Churchill, and the like. That sort of arrogance is perfectly embodied by the current Democratic & administration PR approach ("they're all racists!" or "they're seized of their emotions in a childlike manner!" as in Obama's Ground Zero mosque speech.) Do you have any idea how tired we are of hearing that repeated endlessly from the left?

I don't even want Republicans to win, so much as I will STOP AT NOTHING WHATSOEVER to make sure that Democrats lose, lose, lose this year. And it's that attitude, Dayn, the one you casually mouthed in passing not even realizing what you were doing/saying...that's the reason I want it to hurt. So you can never make that argument with a straight face again in smart company.
   73. Sam Hutcheson is the 'saur with the rainbow roar Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:41 PM (#3627424)
You didn't edit enough; the word is suffrage. (Am trying to think of a good synonym for "sufferage" without using one of the usual suspects -- John Sterling, etc.) And the "women-folk"? Where do you hail from, Dodge City at the time of "Gunsmoke"?


Noted on the misspelling. As for "women-folk", yes, I'm from Dodge City around the time of Gunsmoke.
   74. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:43 PM (#3627428)
Makes perfect sense. Brandon Phillips was right, the Cards are a bunch of whiny little #######, which fits in with the Teabag platform perfectly.
   75. Crispix Attacks Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:43 PM (#3627429)
Almost everything Glenn Beck says is a lie, Esoteric. And he says it to tens of millions of people who believe it all, apparently including you. Some of us are more worried about that than about Obama's revolutionary anti-capitalist and anti-white policies of doing virtually everything Wall Street wants (but taking certain measures to control the mass unemployment that would naturally follow a massive economic collapse) instead of literally everything Wall Street wants.
   76. Gern Blanston Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:43 PM (#3627430)
The hard core lefty cadre on this site is one of the biggest bunch of angry haters going.

You're an idiot. You've clearly never spent time perusing the comments on, say, a lefty political blog. (Without even getting into righty political blogs.)
   77. gef the talking mongoose Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:44 PM (#3627432)
I don't even want Republicans to win, so much as I will STOP AT NOTHING WHATSOEVER to make sure that Democrats lose, lose, lose this year.


FWIW, if only both sides could somehow lose, lose, lose -- without that meaning, of course, corresponding victories by the straitjacket escapees known as tea partiers -- I would be as happy as a little girl.
   78. Sam Hutcheson is the 'saur with the rainbow roar Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:45 PM (#3627433)
I don't even want Republicans to win, so much as I will STOP AT NOTHING WHATSOEVER to make sure that Democrats lose, lose, lose this year.


That is to say, you're a Republican.
   79. Gern Blanston Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:46 PM (#3627434)
I look forward to all positive coverage of the 250,000+ people marching on DC being effectively suppressed by the mainstream media.

Don't worry; FOX'll be sure to offset it by showing footage of a 2.5 million-person crowd from some other event in its coverage of the rally.
   80. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:47 PM (#3627436)
It will be interesting to see how many people show up at this thing. Glenn Beck announced at first he was expecting 300,000 people, which as Esoteric notes has been downsized to 250,000.

But the Tea Party had to actually cancel its convention earlier this summer because nobody signed up for it. Everyone involved here will inflate or deflate the numbers to fit their political position, and there's no way to ever get a truly accurate count, but I'm guessing Back will get about 10 percent of what he's hoping for.
   81. Answer Guy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:48 PM (#3627439)
The hard core lefty cadre on this site is one of the biggest bunch of angry haters going.


You clearly haven't been around the Internet much. This place is pretty tame as far as angry haters of any variety goes.
   82. gef the talking mongoose Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:48 PM (#3627440)

That is to say, you're a Republican.


Or a so-called libertarian, maybe.

(I'm reminded of a line from a My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult song, possibly sampled from some movie, along the lines of "'Reality' is the only word in the English language that should always be used in quotes." I'm starting to think that actually applies to two words, with "libertarian" of course being the second.)
   83. Esoteric Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:49 PM (#3627441)
Almost everything Glenn Beck says is a lie, Esoteric. And he says it to tens of millions of people who believe it all, apparently including you. Some of us are worried about that
I don't even follow Glenn Beck. I happen to be flying into D.C. because my family lives there and I was popping in for a visit. The fact that the rally happens to be the same weekend is serendipitous, and I'm obviously trying to troll the lefties here at least somewhat by suggesting it's my main reason for going to DC (as if that would be the worst thing in the world anyway?).

And since when is almost everything Beck says a lie? Isn't that rather in the eye of the beholder? Those of you who have known me long enough on Primer realize that I know far more about American 20th century political history than any other poster on this site, and I happen to know that Beck's fascination/obsession with the historical & intellectual roots of Progressivism isn't actually far off the mark AT ALL. It seems hilariously esoteric, but it really does mark the true root of the modern mixed-mode welfare state we currently have. So I don't see the lies. I see hysteria occasionally (for sure), I see over-exaggerations and improper weighting in some of his arguments, sure...but the lies? Where are those?

Oh, I get it. They're lies because he has a massive audience, huge influence, and because Obama is teetering precariously over the abyss. And you want to defend your golden god. I understand. Lies. Sure.
   84. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:50 PM (#3627443)
I'm very happy to see the greatest manager ... currently in the game


Bobby Cox is coming, too?
   85. RJ in TO Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:50 PM (#3627444)
This sentiment I can never understand. How the hell has political discussion become so verboten? Doesn't it say a lot about our national politics if it's considered 'impolite' to invite discussion on them? And most of all, wouldn't it be much easier for someone who doesn't want any part of it to, you know, just not participate - instead of planting hijacks or deliberately trying to shut it down? I can definitely respect being exasperated by the vitriol and impassioned hyperbole that these kind of discussions can devolve into, but to suggest that therefore matters of national politics do not make appropriate conversation is more regressive than anything else.


This is a baseball site. This is not a politics site. The politics just hurt the overall tone of the site, as people drag idiotic non-baseball grudges from thread to thread, ending up repeatedly in the same non-baseball arguments, and driving potential or regular posters away from the site.

From Dan, a while back:

Is this a new policy (the foruming of political threads)? These political threads are a lot of what makes BBTF what it is. I don’t get the motive for moving them.

We’ve reached the point at which the nastiness and visibility of political threads is hurting our reputation in the larger media community. Yes, our political threads are generally more polite than Freeper/Kos threads, but we’re not a political site and it’s not what we wish to be known for.

Other off-topic threads haven’t been moved for the simple reason that they don’t require constant babysitting - there’s little chance a thread that turns into Star Wars or classic movies is going to have a couple of people throw bombs and then get 100 posts of people yelling at each other in an hour.
   86. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:50 PM (#3627445)
It's hard to classify Beck as fringe when his show pulls in such a large number of viewers.

About 1.3 million people were watching Beck in early summer. I don't know if the numbers improved over the course of the summer but I think in TV land that easily qualifies as fringe. I'm pretty sure more people were forming opinions based on Jersey Shore than they were because of Glenn Beck.
   87. Gern Blanston Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:51 PM (#3627447)
Seriously, I don't even LIKE Beck that much. But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and let all of YOU compare everyone making arguments or running for office on the other side to "extremists" and "racists" and Ward Churchill, and the like.

Unlike Beck himself, of course, whose entire schtick revolves around comparing Obama to Hitler and Mao.
   88. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:51 PM (#3627448)
I don't even want Republicans to win, so much as I will STOP AT NOTHING WHATSOEVER to make sure that Democrats lose, lose, lose this year. And it's that attitude, Dayn, the one you casually mouthed in passing not even realizing what you were doing/saying...that's the reason I want it to hurt. So you can never make that argument with a straight face again in smart company.

I'm an independent who tries to stay as politically disengaged as possible--mostly because it's a vile business that's designed to appeal to our basest inclinations. I assure you, nothing that happens in November is going to "hurt" me.

As for Beck, the "prove to me you don't stand with our enemies" bit with Keith Ellison and the "hates white culture" remark about the president say to me that he's ... well, at this point I should probably refrain from saying anything further about someone who's infinitely higher on the NewsCorp food chain than I am.

But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and let all of YOU ALL compare everyone making arguments or running for office on our side to "extremists" and "racists" and Ward Churchill, and the like.

I said nothing about anyone but Beck. Breathe deeply.
   89. Paul D (AKA The Other Canadian) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:52 PM (#3627451)
Political discussions on the site would be more interesting if people were able to have them without attacking the other side, or wishing for them to hurt. I've always felt that truth is the most important thing out there, but it seems that I'm in a minority, because people who flat out lie to the audience/electorate/whatever don't seem to get punished*

*Lose their seat, show, whatever.
   90. TerpNats Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:54 PM (#3627455)
Glenn Beck has ties to D.C. -- in the '80s, he was a disc jockey at WPGC, then a top 40 station.
   91. Yankee Redneck is a Pinhead. Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:55 PM (#3627458)
I for one know far more about American 20th century political history than any other poster on this site, bar none -- seriously, there isn't a single one of you, Andy included, who could even get in the ring


I'll get in the ring with you any time you'd like. 10 oz gloves under the rules of the Marquis, or would you risk 4oz gloves under the rules of the London Prize Ring? I've been trying to put together a LPR Rules exhibition at a local MMA show for 4 years now, the promoter, while a very nice guy, thinks I'm batty.
   92. Yankee Redneck is a Pinhead. Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:58 PM (#3627462)
I'm an independent who tries to stay as politically disengaged as possible--mostly because it's a vile business that's designed to appeal to our basest inclinations. I assure you, nothing that happens in November is going to "hurt" me.


You'll change your tune when the Obamunist Afro-Jihadi Army rounds up your family for transport to the FEMA camps. But of course, by then it will be too late.
   93. gef the talking mongoose Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:59 PM (#3627464)
I for one know far more about American 20th century political history than any other poster on this site, bar none --


That is quite a claim. I'm not necessarily doubting it, but I haven't the vaguest idea of how such a thing can be quantified, unless you're ... I dunno ... an award-winning political historian with 50 monographs under your belt or something. Which, hell, maybe you are; I haven't the vaguest idea.
   94. Bob Tufts Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:00 PM (#3627465)
I think that it is worse that Michael Jordan refused to endorse Harvey Gantt in a Senate race against Jesse Helms because "Republicans buy sneakers too".

People speaking in the public square about our government is part of our history and to be encouraged - not ridiculed. It's a long and arduous process, but the airing and vetting of facts begins a healthy debate.
   95. gef the talking mongoose Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:04 PM (#3627469)

You'll change your tune when the Obamunist Afro-Jihadi Army rounds up your family for transport to the FEMA camps. But of course, by then it will be too late.


Dayn is from Mississippi, so if anything such a move would almost certainly raise their standard of living. (As a native of Arkansas & resident of Alabama, I acknowledge that the same would be true of my own family if it still existed.)
   96. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:05 PM (#3627470)
And since when is almost everything Beck says a lie? Isn't that rather in the eye of the beholder?


So, just to be clear, you are saying that truth and falsehood are subjective, and not binary states?

It's difficult to watch Beck for any length of time and fact-check his statements without coming to the conclusion that he's a lunatic. Unless, of course, you agree (for example) that all Native Americans are descended from one or more of the lost tribes of Israel, who moved to and settled in North America, and that they wrote secret holy messages (in "block Hebrew") on stones and buried them in the ground in Ohio.
   97. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:05 PM (#3627472)

Glenn Beck has ties to D.C. -- in the '80s, he was a disc jockey at WPGC, then a top 40 station.


Did he bring Zippy the Chimp with him?
   98. Crispix Attacks Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:06 PM (#3627473)
The comments of Esoteric here are a depressing reminder of how the increasing inequality in our country has made us a more unhappy country. Virtually everyone here is a victim of inequality, in that the prices of what we have to buy keep going up, while all (and I mean all) of the increased wealth in our country over the past 40 years have gone to an elite of maybe 0.1% of the population. Technocrats in the government think the situation is fine because overall wealth has been increasing, and the matter of making sure that more than a few hundred thousand people actually have any wealth is just a trivial matter that they will get around to eventually. Technocrats in the government think the "stock market" is the economy, and that average people in the US benefit when the market seems healthy. Even weirder, they think average people benefit when Wall Street firms make healthy profits.

Meanwhile, almost everyone feels cheated to a certain extent. And a totally straightforward, inarguable statement about how Group A is cheated (in a way that Group B is not cheated) can lead to an insane firestorm of hatred (e.g. comment #72) if a member of Group B is convinced that he is being blamed for Group A being cheated. The unfairness! Not only am I being cheated, I'm being blamed for other people's misfortune which I had nothing to do with! The blood boils! It's adding insult to injury! Group A is demanding special rights! We will no longer withstand this injustice!
   99. Guapo Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:06 PM (#3627474)
Seriously, I don't even LIKE Beck that much. But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and let all of YOU compare everyone making arguments or running for office on the other side to "extremists" and "racists" and Ward Churchill, and the like.


Awesome.

This morning on Fox and Friends, Fox host Glenn Beck accused President Obama of being "a racist."

The group was discussing the recent Gates controversy, and Beck exclaimed that Obama has "over and over again" exposed himself as "a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture. I don't know what it is..."

When Fox's Brian Kilmeadeon pointed out that many people in Obama's administration are white, so "you can't say he doesn't like white people," Beck pressed on. "I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem," Beck said. "This guy is, I believe, a racist."


Beck stands by his comments. On his radio show, Beck stated that he "stands by" his comments that Obama is a "racist," adding, "I deem him a racist by his own standard, the standard of the left."


Beck: Obama "has real issues with race." Beck discussed Obama's policies with Fox News contributor Keith Ablow and said of Obama, "I just see this ACORN thing and also the thing at the White House as a sign -- this guy has real issues with race, real issues." Ablow responded, in part, "I think we get a transparent president in this case whose feelings about white America are coming forward again." Beck then commented, "I think he's one of the more arrogant people I have ever witnessed in the office."


Glenn Beck- March 11, 2010: "Extremists in America." Bet they didn't teach you THIS in school. The amazing truth- and rare footage of extremists in America. People with very similar ideas are already very close to power now- so let us learn from the past and make sure that history does not repeat itself.


“I beg you, look for the words ’social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church website. If you find it, run as fast as you can! ” said Beck on his radio show.

On his TV show that day, wielding what appeared to be hammer/sickle and swastika coasters, he expanded on his opposition to the fight for social justice:

“Both the communists, who are on the left — they say — you know, these are communists. And the Nazis are on the right,” Beck said. “That’s what people say. But they both subscribed to one philosophy, and they flew one banner. One had the hammer and sickle; the other was a swastika. But on each banner read the words, here in America, of this — ’social justice.’ They talked about economic justice, rights of the workers, redistribution of wealth, and surprisingly — I love this — democracy.”


CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck became the latest critic to compare the documentary film An Inconvenient Truth, about former Vice President Al Gore's campaign to raise awareness of global warming, to the Nazis. Beck dismissed many of the conclusions drawn from the documentary, stating, "When you take a little bit of truth and then you mix it with untruth, or your theory, that's where you get people to believe. ... It's like Hitler. Hitler said a little bit of truth, and then he mixed in 'and it's the Jews' fault.' "


Yeah, I'm not going to let YOU compare everyone making arguments or running for office on the other side to "extremists" and "racists" and Ward Churchill, and the like! That's Glenn Beck's schtick!
   100. Dan The Mediocre Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:07 PM (#3627476)
I know far more about American 20th century political history than any other poster on this site


I wonder what might support this sentence....

And since when is almost everything Beck says a lie? Isn't that rather in the eye of the beholder?


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