When one Giants fan kills another at a ball game, "homicide" is an imprecise term. "Mercy killing" is much more apt.

"Lord Palmerston!"
"Pitt the Elder!"

That's sad. Most 18-year-olds about a 50-50 chance of seeing another winning Giants season during their lifetime.

Now we know why Giants fans were willing to tolerate Bonds for so long.

That's sad. Most 18-year-olds about a 50-50 chance of seeing another winning Giants season during their lifetime.

And at least three more ballpark name changes by their 35th birthday.

Huh, and I thought I was getting the raw deal Friday when they tried to kick me out thanks to a case of mistaken identity. Guess it could've been worse.

Wow, this makes the previous "We shouldn't be so insensitive about death" thread look like child's play.

But of which baseball teams were they fans? Surely, there's a sports rivalry angle to this story that has not yet been reported.

Wow, this makes the previous "We shouldn't be so insensitive about death" thread look like child's play.

This weekend I finally got around to watching the "Scott Tenorman Must Die" episode of SOUTH PARK -- I'm not sensitive about anything right now...

That IS a good episode. Let it be noted that there is no indication either of the presumed Giants fans cried at any point.

I'm an A's fan, but I've been to a couple of Giants games a year since Pac Bell opened. Anyway, I was at the Friday night game with a friend and noticed a more menacing atmosphere than in years past. I left my seat around the seventh inning to get some food, and ended up walking around most of the concourse area (Section 117 out to about the Coke slide). I saw a striking number of aggressive, belligerent teenagers and young adults in groups (I'm 25, so please don't accuse me of being an old fogey on this) drunk and looking to get into fights. Security seemed pretty uninterested in stepping in to calm people down.

I admit what I saw was pretty anecdotal, especially without specifics, but I was wondering if any other Giants fans have noticed a change. After what I saw Friday night, I would have to say that I feel safer at the Coliseum.

I'm an A's fan, but I've been to a couple of Giants games a year since Pac Bell opened. Anyway, I was at the Friday night game with a friend and noticed a more menacing atmosphere than in years past.

Hmmm... sounds like old Friday nights at Candlestick.

There hasn't been a change. It's always been like that on Friday nights. I know, I was/am one of those people.

Well, there may have been a change back.

I remember as a kid, I loved the Giants (inexplicably: I was raised in the East Bay), but I feared the Candlestick drunks, much as they usually amused (holy hannah, those men could heckle). I never in my life felt frightened at a Raiders game, but those early-'80s Giants games in the bleachers occasionally gave me pause.

my nephew was the kid killed...come on now people you have no idea what happened here and can you be any more insentive. he was sucker punched or whatever the hell you call it from behind and had no way to defend himself. the fight wasn't even about the giants game. he was a living, breathing, loving and great person (a son, a brother, a grandson, a nephew and a friend to many) until his head hit the pavement so hard his head filled with blood and stopped his ability to breath. i agree, violence isn't any way to solve anything. mercy killing-you're sick-this was a tragedy we are still unable to comprehend. my nephew lived for baseball...died for it too...how incredibly fricking sad is that.

Condolences from across this Website for your loss.

I have no idea if areyoukiddingme is really related to the victim, or just trying to call attention to the callous humor. If he's honest, sorry for your senseless loss. If he's not, I'm sorry for someone else's senseless loss.

I will say this thread didn't sit well with me before his appearance. I recognize there are times when genuine humor can be pulled from tragedy. In this instance, at least from where I sit, it seems a little forced, quite unnecessary and, in the end, not particularly funny.

Thank you..I am actually one of the victims aunts-sitting here trying to understand how this happened! I was sitting here with one of my daughters who is trying to process this and we were literally ill reading the comments above. We loved and adored this boy and he's gone. My poor 14 year old can't understand why people are so mean and can say/write such insensitive things. We are both going to go take a sleeping pill now so we can sleep tonight. We need our strength to help our other family members grieve and oh yeah, plan a funeral. I won't be checking back...just going to turn my anger into something positive and promote peace at ball games I guess...what else can I do?

I know, I was/am one of those people.

No you aren't.

I saw a striking number of aggressive, belligerent teenagers and young adults in groups (I'm 25, so please don't accuse me of being an old fogey on this) drunk and looking to get into fights. Security seemed pretty uninterested in stepping in to calm people down.

Heh...seriously, did you just crib this from "30 Rock"? "Youths!"

:-)

I have no idea if areyoukiddingme is really related to the victim, or just trying to call attention to the callous humor. If he's honest, sorry for your senseless loss. If he's not, I'm sorry for someone else's senseless loss

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This happened on the Taylor Hooten thread--Hooten's dad and a few friends showed up, and it was rather tense.

Kmowing two people who have lost relatives to the violence over the last three years, I do know that sometimes they do search the net looking for refs to it, so areyoukiddingme seems to be for real.

As such, I am sorry for your loss. I also know a grief counselor who lost her son should you wish to talk to someone outside of your immediate support group.

More details, for those interested.

It turns out a friend of mine knew the victim, or at least the victim's father.

Many lives ruined, over something stupid and pointless.

I went to Giants and A's games growing up and I saw many, many fights at both stadiums. I don't miss the idiocy and I hope MLB does what it takes to keep it from coming back.

After what I saw Friday night, I would have to say that I feel safer at the Coliseum.

Right -- empty seats are not that menacing.

Thanks for the link TJRE. What a terrible thing. Condolences to the family and friends.