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Tuesday, May 20, 2008

TFM: Boston’s Fenway Park Drawing On Sun For Water Heating

The Boston Red Sox baseball team formally unveiled solar hot water panels on the roof of its stadium yesterday. The panels, which will help heat water used throughout the facility, are part of a series of environmentally sustainable practices that have been implemented at the Park this year. The Red Sox worked on this initiative with National Grid, Bonneville Environmental Foundation, and the Natural Resources Defense Council.

The Red Sox are the first team in Major League Baseball to have a solar thermal system at their ballpark. “The Red Sox have a duty and responsibility to help protect and preserve the environment and to help keep the Fenway neighborhood clean and green,” said Red Sox president/CEO Larry Lucchino. “The installation of solar thermal panels is the next step in our commitment to endeavor to make America’s Most Beloved Ballpark one of America’s greenest ballparks.”

Well there’s some gas being emitted that hasn’t been filtered out…

Repoz Posted: May 20, 2008 at 12:44 PM | 20 comment(s)
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   1. winnipegwhip Posted: May 20, 2008 at 01:00 PM (#2787650)
How about more day games then?
   2. Shooty misses Bill King Posted: May 20, 2008 at 01:15 PM (#2787666)
I am pro using renewable, clean resources whenever we can. It does not, however, excuse bland corporate-speak. Stop it stop it stop it. What is so wrong with sounding like a human when you communicate? And why is "America's Most Beloved Ballpark" all in caps? Is this trademarked now? My god...
   3. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: May 20, 2008 at 01:43 PM (#2787710)
there's such a thing as a facilities management blog? where will the internet take us next? blogs on the sleeping habits of tibetan yaks? the vicissitudes of sales calls? watching paint dry?
   4. kevin Posted: May 20, 2008 at 01:52 PM (#2787722)
Natural Resources Defense Council.


Good god. Not them.
   5. villageidiom Posted: May 20, 2008 at 01:53 PM (#2787724)
http://www.watching-paint-dry.com

I wish I were making that up.
   6. Robert Machemer Posted: May 20, 2008 at 02:33 PM (#2787821)
I can't believe I just watched the video at http://www.watching-grass-grow.com/
   7. winnipegwhip Posted: May 20, 2008 at 02:47 PM (#2787866)
"What is this group who is concerned about National Race Horses thinking? Other types of horses are just as important."

-E. Litella
   8. jwb Posted: May 21, 2008 at 12:05 AM (#2789153)
Yak Polo is my life.

(Search for "Polo")
   9. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 21, 2008 at 12:13 AM (#2789167)
there's such a thing as a facilities management blog? where will the internet take us next? blogs on the sleeping habits of tibetan yaks? the vicissitudes of sales calls? watching paint dry?


I was a finalist for a job at one of their rivals, Building Operating Management. So there is not just a niche devoted to imparting information on building facilties management, but it's actually competitive.
   10. Gold Star for Robot Boy Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:53 AM (#2789221)
Arizona's Chase Field Drawing on Sun for Water Boiling
We play to our strengths here.
   11. The Marksist Posted: May 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM (#2789438)
I actually spent some time looking at the Facilities Management blog for work. Just sayin'.

And there's no good reason that the ballparks in the South/Southwest/West shouldn't be putting in solar for hot water and electricity.
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: May 21, 2008 at 12:18 PM (#2789450)
And there's no good reason that the ballparks in the South/Southwest/West shouldn't be putting in solar for hot water and electricity.


OK, here are a few question that will surely (further) reveal my stupidity. Does the outside temperature have a dramatic effect on how much heat can be generated in solar operations? In other words, if you have clouds in LA and clear skies in Minneapolis, but a 30 degrees difference in temperature, how will that impact how much solar heat can be generated? And is there really a greater usefulness/benefit for southern cities to put in solar than northern ones?
   13. Judges 20:16 (the Lord's bullpen) Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:42 PM (#2789538)
SoSHU U:

This is a gross oversimplification, but with solar the potential energy you can generate depends entirely on how much sun you get and how filtered it is by the atmosphere (ie, its strength). Cloudy LA would probably have less potential generation than sunny Minnesota, but LA is sunnier far more often than Minnesota and so solar would be much more economically viable there. Simply put, the Southwest is the best part of the US for solar power generation simply because there is more sun there than anywhere else in the US. The temperature difference might matter a little, but shouldn't. The solar energy is probably used to heat water, and this is done inside what should be an enclosed and well-insulated structure. Realistically, the temp difference will matter, because our systems are never perfectly enclosed, but not nearly so much as the pure sunlight levels.

There are ideas bouncing around that eventually sunny countries will replace OPEC as the world's great energy producers. This assumes that the huge barriers to big time solar power can be overcome, barriers in things like the incredibly high price and inefficiency of both long-distance power transmission and power storage, and problems of the unpredictability of solar power (power grids thrive on regularity and tend to crash when subjected to surges and troughs that things like clouds and, you know, night can cause). Who knows, maybe these problems are insurmountable and solar will always be a bit player, condemned to heat the water for the Diamondbacks and power air conditioners in those parts of California in which it only gets hot when the sun is out. But Australia has already built a big next gen solar plant (one that uses solar power to melt salts which then boil water in a heat exchanger and drive a steam turbine to make electricity) and there are sci-fi sorts of plans to build a solar plant in space.
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: May 21, 2008 at 01:49 PM (#2789547)
Thanks Judges. That makes sense.

In general, is there more presence of the sun all across the south than the north (referring to post No. 10)?
   15. Eric Bartman Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:05 PM (#2789571)
In general, is there more presence of the sun all across the south than the north


The distribution of solar energy potential isn't quite that simple, but there is a general bias to the south. You can check it out here:
http://www.americanenergyindependence.com/solarenergy.html


I know an engineer that works exclusively on sports stadiums. He characterizes them as "energy pigs". Good to see some attention on it.
   16. Eric Bartman Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:07 PM (#2789573)
oops
   17. Eric Bartman Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:08 PM (#2789574)
In general, is there more presence of the sun all across the south than the north


The distribution of solar energy potential isn't quite that simple, but there is a general bias to the south.

I know an engineer that works exclusively on sports stadiums. He characterizes them as "energy pigs". Good to see some attention on it.
   18. Devin McCullen has no value to Eastern Europe Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:16 PM (#2789581)
...whereas Mr. Bartman has wisely decided to avoid sports stadiums as much as possible. Cub fans are everywhere.
   19. Rodder Posted: May 21, 2008 at 02:16 PM (#2789582)
I know an engineer that works exclusively on sports stadiums. He characterizes them as "energy pigs".

Why is this? Is this only for indoor stadiums? I can't imagine why an uncovered ballpark would use much energy compared to other large buildings/complexes. There's HVAC for the offices space which is relatively small, food prep equipment/freezers for the concessions. I guess that huge light banks and jumbotrons must use a decent amount, but still, compared to typical skyscraper office buildings, or convention centers or manufacturing plants, I would guess it would be much lower.
   20. Judges 20:16 (the Lord's bullpen) Posted: May 21, 2008 at 03:48 PM (#2789676)
FWIW, skyscrapers are pretty efficient, or at least more so than smaller office buildings. When the heat leaks out of floor 30, a lot of it just goes to floor 29 or floor 31.

I'd like to see something about energy use in stadiums. Google just gives me a lot of things about various efficient bits added to stadiums and green stadia built for rugby and whatnot. I'd like to see what an open ballpark uses. I'd also guess that it's nothing like what a closed stadium uses, where you have to heat and cool all of that empty space.
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