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Tuesday, November 03, 2009

TFT: Mitchell: Winning the World Series-Determination, Grit and Luck

Pages found among the desperate ruins of Wallachia…“Victory of Blood: The Count Benigno Way”.

A similar storyline will emerge if the Yankees win in seven games.  In that case, Sabathia will be the one with grit and determination, but the Yankees will be hailed again for their ability to bounce back “as they have done all season long”, as well as inevitably, their drive and understanding that anything less than a World Championship wasn’t good enough for their fans or their city. In either case Joe Girardi will be lauded for his confidence and willingness to stick with his three man pitching rotation in the face of criticism.

If the Phillies manage to beat Pettitte and Sabathia in New York, Girardi’s stubborn refusal to be flexible and insistence on using only three starters throughout the whole post-season will be at fault, but the larger story will be the determination of the Philadelphia Phillies, their unwillingness to quit and the importance of momentum.

All of these explanations are, of course nonsense, based on seeing causalities where they don’t exist and making assumptions about behavior and motivations that simply are not true. Is it even remotely plausible that the team that loses will have done so because they didn’t try hard enough, or that the team that wins will have done so because they were more determined?  Baseball players at the Major League level are all determined, hard working and possess extraordinary drive, otherwise they wouldn’t be there. Nobody works all year, and in many cases all their lives, to get to the World Series and then stops caring.  Even when it looks that way (Robinson Cano) it is not the case.

Repoz Posted: November 03, 2009 at 08:57 PM | 7 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: November 03, 2009 at 10:00 PM (#3376684)
Fair enough, though the points in this article derive from assumptions about stories nobody has written yet.

And I wonder how often they do get written. Gary Carter praised his own determination in Game Six in 1986, and rightly, if tastelessly, so. But I don't recall people faulting Calvin Schiraldi's determination. They faulted his pitching, which again seems fair to me. Even Bill Buckner – the guy was determined to the point of obnoxiousness, but he was just not a great fielding 1B, and that's the usual story of that series.

In any case, 6 or 7-game series with heroics on both sides usually do not go down in the books as lessons in different levels of determination. Has anyone ever suggested that Carlton Fisk lost the will to win in 1975's Game Seven? Guy took the collar ...
   2. Into the Void Posted: November 03, 2009 at 11:50 PM (#3376779)
Determination, grit, luck, and hundreds of millions of dollars.
   3. Bruce Markusen Posted: November 04, 2009 at 12:59 AM (#3376848)
While many of these inevitable storylines are fallacy, so is the notion that every major league player is determined, hard working, and extraordinarily driven. As with any profession, there are people who possess those qualities, and there are those who don't. Some players do make it to the major leagues based largely on talent and a minimal amount of hard work, while others put in extraordinary effort just to make it as utility infielders or middle relievers.
   4. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 04, 2009 at 01:41 AM (#3376875)
Some players do make it to the major leagues based largely on talent and a minimal amount of hard work,

name three
   5. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: November 04, 2009 at 02:31 AM (#3376893)
Templeton, Pepitone, Belinsky.
   6. Halofan Posted: November 04, 2009 at 07:28 AM (#3377037)
Canseco, Gaedel and Minnie Minoso the fourth time around.
   7. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: November 04, 2009 at 09:50 AM (#3377055)
I read somewhere that Ichiro could hit a lot more homers if he tried. Pretty lazy approach on his part. There's one.
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