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If throwing the book made Rob "Cross the line", I would have taken a dump on the book in front of them, and THEN threw the book.
Lines aren't meant to be crossed; they're meant to be obliterated.
Edit: lines are also meant to be snorted.
Wow. That's mid 90's web design at its best. They need some goofy flash animations with synth music to finish it off!
Perhaps a dancing baby or twelve. Everyone loves that dancing baby!
Yeah, he's only a Spink award winner, must have been a tough choice to let him keep his BBWAA card after he made the Hall of Fame as a sportswriter.
Actually, the one thing the BBWAA has to offer besides award voting is automatic access to a press box. I don't think they want to give that out to anyone who didn't have to grind out game stories on a deadline for years. I like Neyer, but he's not that kind of writer. He's an op ed guy and the BBWAA are the guys who write the obituaries or cover county board meetings.
Why would a non-baseball writer get membership? I dunno, fun to drink with at the games?
not surprised - there are clearly a lot of vindictive old farts (and many who are not - Dutton did come across as fairly classy). I think its hilarious that the cartoonist at a newspaper is apparently qualified to write about baseball, while Rob is not.
This is the part where I say something horrible about his cerebral vascular surgery, but I won't.
The real issue is that there's a belief among the oldtimers that people like Rob came in through the back door and didn't "pay their dues" as print reporters, yet they enjoy much wider audiences than many of them who did.
Edit: OK, DL in MN already said that.
I bet they get a lower rate for their CompuServe account than the rest of us do.
Rob - I'm wondering - for our sake - how committed you are to the "If nominated, I will not run, if elected, I will not serve" philosophy. Some of us would REALLY like you helping to decide on the Hall that as much as we complain about, we kind of love anyhow. Like, a lot. Just curious.
Repoz - that reply was nice to get, however, the fact that they made a decision based on "WELL, OMG, SOMEBODY SAID THEY DON'T GO TO GAMES, you know, so, after geometry we had a meeting with everyone in the library, well, you know, me and my friend anyhow, and totally decided that even if Bethany's sister kissed Shelly's boyfriend, you know, and she was drunk anyhow, Bethany is kind of a BlTCH, and really doesn't belong on Yearbook, so we just decided right then. After all, someone told us something," really makes him sound like a huge tool.
I'd certainly be disappointed if, say, they were refused again next year on some technicality or other.
I've had that site on my faves for years and it hasn't really changed.
And when my cat acts up (you know, like when those gray swirly things fall out of their mouth and onto your pizza)...I shove her in front of the BBWAA site to cool her inner-gizzerds.
Works wonders.
It would be great if Rob and Keith could vote on the HOF. The way to accomplish that is not to wedge them into an organization who do different things than they do, it is to change the way HOF votes are conducted. In 1936, the BBWAA really were the only sensible people to vote for the HOF. Today there are a lot of people who are qualified, the BBWAA containing many, but not all, of them.
And finally, it is not the writer's fault that they run the HOF vote. The HOF gave them this power, and can take it away. It is to the HOF that your outrage should be directed.
For what its worth, I think I am as qualifed to vote for the HOF as Rob or Keith. But I don't belong in the BBWAA either.
ESPN said they don't NEED to go to the ballpark to do their job, not that they DON'T go. Also, I think all of us in our heart of hearts think we're qualified to vote for the HOF. Rob Neyer, though, actually writes professionally about baseball which makes him distinctly qualified to be a member of a professional association whose sole focus is, well, writing about baseball.
The real question is why they have the sole power to vote for HOF candidates in the first place anymore. I have no doubt that there are plenty of non-BBWAA historians and writers besides Rob who are more knowledgeable and connected with the game than some beat writers. Heck, how can you deny baseball announcers from voting while you're at it?
Shooty, I think the tarp fumes are getting to you.
According to Dutton, ESPN did say that Law and Neyer did not regularly go to games. In fact, (according to Dutton) Law wrote Dutton and told them he did go to games alot.
According to Dutton, ESPN did say that Law and Neyer did not regularly go to games. In fact, (according to Dutton) Law wrote Dutton and told them he did go to games alot.
Those aren't tarp fumes getting to me...
So, it's really somebody at ESPN that hates Rob and Keith. I bet it's Mike Tirico.
http://thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0011504
I've found no evidence that he's actually written about baseball at any point. But he's a BBWAA member in good standing and a Hall of Fame voter, apparently due to his status as a "baseball enthusiast".
Hell, nobody's more enthusiastic than me. (Well, maybe Kurkjian.)
Hell, nobody's more enthusiastic than me. (Well, maybe Kurkjian.)
But I bet he didn't miss a single Expos game the last couple of years.
To me, that reads that Crasnick thinks it was more politics that kept them out and not whether or not they attend enough games.
Rob Neyer should never have written that book.
Rob and Keith need to have their engines overhauled every 20 hours?
I can see a case for some, such as ESPN guys or (shudder) Fox. But announcers employed by the teams should not be voting on the HOF, regardless how long they've been watching baseball or how knowledgable they may be.
IHNTS, IJLTQOOC
Those are the guys I was thinking of.
Let's understand that there are private organizations all over the US that exclude others for reasons much less reasonable than attending a baseball game.
Folks here need to recognize PROGRESS and celebrate it. The wall may not have fallen but it's developing cracks.
And I credit Rob for recognizing that be BEING an outsider and every so often spreading some acid (some needed, some not) that this may have impacted his inclusion.
Patience and PERSISTENCE are a powerful combination.
Bomb throwing is fun but mostly it creates a mess. Better to just keep working and forcing others to recognized that excluding consistent excellence is pretty stupid.
Keep on keeping on.
This is a good day.
That means they started this "Internet thing" debate in 1999. Wow, way to embrace technology.
I wonder what kind of 8-track they want for Christmas?
What kind of online stuff was the BBWAA supposed to debate prior to then? Extending membership to Roger Maynard or King Toot?
And don't think that little tidbit won't leave a mark. Good taste is not an excuse!
Literate [female canine, Hillary Clinton]!!!!
Best Regards
John
Apologies if someone already posted it. I haven't read all 143 posts.
Not to pile on...ok, to pile on: it must be hard for Mr. Mosher to get to many games, considering Montreal doesn't even have an MLB team anymore.
Hmmmm. Curious stuff, indeed.
Aislin has done a number of baseball cartoons.
One of which is a guy sitting next to an obvious stathead. Caption is "I have no idea what this clown is talking about" (Easy for me to remember this one -- I've been on the receiving end of the look more than once)
And I'm pretty sure he's done a few baseball related columns over the years. Not sure that they ran in the sports section though.
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