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Thursday, June 28, 2007

The Starting Five: Weiler: Steve Phillips Brings It

Transdermalign patches for everybody!...Steve Phillips and Doug Gottlieb riff on Sosa & steroids.

During Phillips’ exchange with Gottlieb (Greenberg sat mutely through the entire conversation), the former Mets’ GM asked Gottlieb whether he would assume that a player who 39 homeruns one year and 61 the next was cheating. Almost before Philips could finish his sentence, Gottlieb said emphatically “yes.” And, demonstrating that baseball isn’t Gottlieb’s long suit, he didn’t realize that Phillips was, as he then informed Gottlieb, referring to Roger Maris, who hit 39 homers in 1960, 61 in 1961 and never hit more than 33 in a season after that. Phillips also noted that George Foster jumped from 29 to 52 in a season (from 1976 to 1977). Gottlieb did respond that Sosa got dramatically better for several seasons, but it would be an absurd standard of judgment to say that if a player improves dramatically in their late twenties and got bigger in the process,  that is all we need to go on,  to accuse someone of steroid use.

Phillips is not naive and he surely has his own suspicions about who was and who wasn’t using. We all do, however well we can or can’t substantiate those suspicions. But, on every key point Gottlieb made yesterday, he was either flat out wrong on the facts, or was using notably thin arguments. But, unusual for the medium, someone was actually there to call him on it, not with even more shrill hyperbole, but with a superior grasp of the facts and context of the situation.

Repoz Posted: June 28, 2007 at 08:02 PM | 14 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   1. Esoteric Posted: June 28, 2007 at 08:31 PM (#2421534)
I'm sorry, my brain is unable to process the concept of Steve Phillips winning a baseball argument with anyone.

DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.
   2. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: June 28, 2007 at 08:32 PM (#2421535)
Who is Doug Gottlieb? Should I know the name?
   3. The Buddy Biancalana Hit Counter Posted: June 28, 2007 at 08:38 PM (#2421540)
Who is Doug Gottlieb? Should I know the name?

To the absurdly long-lasting enjoyment of Kansas fans, when Gottleib was at Oklahoma State he once wore his game shorts backwards for about five minutes at Allen Fieldhouse.

Now he's part of the Worldwide Leader.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 28, 2007 at 08:48 PM (#2421548)
Wow, Gottlieb has a pretty regular college basketball segment on the local sports station in KC and he always comes off as bright, intelligent and articulate. Clearly, he is out of his element in talking about baseball is Steve Phillips can school him.
   5. Asher87 Posted: June 28, 2007 at 09:04 PM (#2421562)
Gottlieb knows basketball...especially college.

Gottlieb doesn't know baseball. At all.
   6. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: June 28, 2007 at 09:06 PM (#2421563)
Gottlieb knows basketball...especially college.

He's a basketball guy? So who cares what he thinks about baseball?
   7. Bad Doctor Posted: June 28, 2007 at 09:13 PM (#2421566)
Excellent points about the use of the interpreter, both from Phillips and Weiler. I always think back to a sports talk radio segment I heard, well before the steroid scandal broke. The host discussed how journalists should quote Sosa ... whether quoting him directly and therefore showing off his broken English was somehow vaguely racist or whether correcting his grammatical errors compromised journalistic integrity, because now you're reporting something as a Sosa quote that truly wasn't. Again, this was well before the steroid era, and in Philadelphia, not Chicago, so it was so completly random to discuss Sosa's command of the English language or lack thereof. But I always think back to that exchange whenever a talking head like Gottlieb cites Sosa's use of an interpreter during a Congressional hearing in which his integrity was likely to be called into question as proof positive of his steroid use.
   8. AJM Posted: June 28, 2007 at 09:26 PM (#2421576)
I'm sorry, my brain is unable to process the concept of Steve Phillips winning a baseball argument with anyone.

Something about a blind squirrel and a nut comes to mind.
   9. Will Young now works at Rowing Girl's School Posted: June 28, 2007 at 09:44 PM (#2421586)
Gottlieb also knows about fraud.
   10. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: June 28, 2007 at 10:36 PM (#2421625)
He's a basketball guy? So who cares what he thinks about baseball?


Both ESPN Radio and Fox Sports Radio do this very frequently. You've got Buster Olney talking NBA draft, Denny Hocking talking NFL, or Jim Mora (the old fart one) talking MLB. Or Rob Dibble talking anything.

Gottlieb is good and well-spoken on college basketball.
   11. bob gaj Posted: June 28, 2007 at 11:23 PM (#2421654)
yeah, i had to read the article to ensure it was steve phillips on the side of facts...
   12. Darren Posted: June 29, 2007 at 12:06 AM (#2421694)
Sosa is regularly lumped in with people who have actual evidence of their use on the record. And many times, it's the interpreter thing or simply the fact that he got bigger and better. On WFAN, every time his name is mentioned they say "Hey, did you hear Sosa the other day? He sure sounded like he spoke good English! Why'd he need that interpreter? What a clown?"

I heard the Phillips interview in question and he was very convincing. The 39/61 was a very nice way of illustrating that for many people, any big improvement is shown as proof of cheating, whereas that wasn't the case in the past.
   13. Perros Posted: June 29, 2007 at 02:14 AM (#2421774)
Just counting radio and their three main TV offerings, espn has to fill 96 hours of airtime a day.

Maybe an hour of that time is intelligently filled, esp. since they've moved Erik Kuselius off the radio. If I counted Bob Valvano in the wee hours of the morning, add time. But most of what hits their airwaves is pure blather.

Almost every person on espn is there because he (or she) can talk continuously while having nothing of importance to say.
   14. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: June 29, 2007 at 02:28 AM (#2421778)
Wow, Steve Phillips actually earned some of the oxygen he's been sucking up for the past forty-some years. Color me impressed.
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