Another reason to abolish interleague play.

Roosevelt Franklin has been called in for questioning.

The party was all fun and games up to that point.

Gosh, Sesame Street sure has changed since I was a kid.

Damn Czechs and their violence.

Also, who the hell names their son "Boguslaw"?

Also, who the hell names their son "Boguslaw"?

Slavs?

Slavs?

Or possibly Slaws.

Where's Richard Ligue when you need him, huh?

Roosevelt Franklin has been called in for questioning.

Thread over. We have our winner.

"E" is for "Enucleation"

"Slavs?"

As you may have surmised from my handle, I'm at least part Slav. And I've never met anyone named Boguslaw.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz;=&=&q=boguslaw&btnG=Google+Search

Results 1 - 10 of about 5,360,000 for boguslaw. (0.12 seconds)

And I've never met anyone named Vlad.

Yeah and how many of those hits is something to do with bogus law? It appears not a lot.

Surprisingly Boguslaw is not one of top 1000 names in any year of the last 100 years of American history.

And I've never met anyone named Vlad.

I have. Obviously, you're not hanging out with the right crowd.

"And I've never met anyone named Vlad."

I have. Though admittedly, I was in Russia at the time...

(It's not my real name, either, BTW.)

Surprisingly Boguslaw is not one of top 1000 names in any year of the last 100 years of American history.

But what about in Polish history?

As you may have surmised from my handle, I'm at least part Slav.

Is Alfredo Griffin a slav name?

"Is Alfredo Griffin a slav name?"

Oh, yes, since time immemorial.

The whole Cubs/White Sox thing has gotten as out of hand as the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry. The rhetorical invective, the physical altercations and all the rest are at a level of ridiculousness that makes living in Chicago without having a dog in the hunt unpleasant.

The grumpy middle aged man in me would like to point to decreased civility in general as a factor, but I'd be relying exclusively on anecdotal evidence, like the upsurge in littering and aggressive driving, so that I can't quite make that claim.

But seriously, Chicagoans (non-BBTF category), chill the #### out.

"But seriously, Chicagoans (non-BBTF category), chill the #### out."

You put one of theirs in the hospital, they put one of yours in the morgue. It's just the Chicago way.

Well isn't that just like a Slav. Brings a knife to a kid's party.

Also, who the hell names their son "Boguslaw"?

Keith's misspelled sibling?

You put one of theirs in the hospital, they put one of yours in the morgue. It's just the Chicago way.

Awesome.

You put one of theirs in the hospital, they put one of yours in the morgue. It's just the Chicago way.

So THAT'S what happened to Mr. Hooper.

When I saw the article this morning, I thought, "There's going to be a BTF thread and it will focus on the names." I also figured it would be hijacked by Red Sox and Yankee fans. We'll see if that happens.

it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye...

and i thought the red sox-yankees rivalry was ugly...

Boguslaw Chicago. The W is pronounced V for the many important Polish people who bear this name.

Also, with a V intead of a W it seems to be a place in Ukraine and a common Ukrainian name.

The White Sox fan was asked to count backwards from 100 and he started with 2008, 2007, 2006....

29. winnipegwhip Posted: July 29, 2008 at 10:59 AM (#2879861)

The White Sox fan was asked to count backwards from 100 and he started with 2008, 2007, 2006....

uh, shouldn't that be the cubs fan?

uh, shouldn't that be the cubs fan?

Not if you're talking trash.

I eagerly await the "Night Chicago Died"... AKA what will happen if the Cubs and White Sox ever meet in the World Series again.

Not if you're talking trash.

Cubs fans don't talk trash, they are trash.

I followed the link for Boguslaw Chicago, and it was a sewing and alterations business. The first review of the namesake tailor was morbidly ironic:

Though some of the other old lady clients can be extremely rude, Boguslaw himself has a sharp eye. He does excellent work.

I'm unfamiliar with the area. In Chicago among the baseball faithful is it something like 10 to 1 people who follow the Cubs over those who follow the Sox, and if so, why?

The song "Night Chicago Died" was about the police attacking Al Capone's gang, since most police were on Al's payroll an unlikely occurrence.

This battle took place on Chicago's East Side. Although most Chicagoans would say we don't have an east side, technically there is a neighborhood on the far far southeast side that is called "east Side." This area has long been ruled by "Fast Eddie" Vrdolyak, and has many Serbian, Croatian, and Polish residents, most of whom are named "Boguslaw."

I went to see a foreign movie starring Linda Boguslaw (Val Kilmer played a corpse), turns out it was actually a guy named Boguslaw Linda.

Elmo love you.

In Chicago among the baseball faithful is it something like 10 to 1 people who follow the Cubs over those who follow the Sox, and if so, why?

It's probably more like 2 to 1, or maybe even 3 to 2, although the allegiances of many people seem to ebb and flow depending on which team is doing better at any given moment.

There are a lot of reasons for that, but the fact that the Cubs stayed on free TV throughout the 70s and 80s while the Sox put their games on early versions of cable/pay television is probably the biggest one.

This thread is brought to you by the letter "B"

"B" is for beatdown
"B" is for Boguslaw

"...turns out it was actually a guy named Boguslaw Linda."

At least you were going to see a movie, and not a hooker.

"(Val Kilmer played a corpse)"

Typecasting!

Are we sure they weren't fighting over who should be the Bears starting QB?

I refuse to accept the existence of an East Side. I live on the South Side and the only things living east of me are lampreys and zebra mussels.

"Is Alfredo Griffin a slav name?"

Oh, yes, since time immemorial.

Then he should change his name to Alfredo X.

There are a lot of reasons for that, but the fact that the Cubs stayed on free TV throughout the 70s and 80s while the Sox put their games on early versions of cable/pay television is probably the biggest one.

And before cable they were on Channel 44, WSNS (White Sox Network Station!), which did its best every July to imitate Antarctica, and before that they had no TV deal and were even almost impossible to find on the radio.

I live on the South Side and the only things living east of me are lampreys and zebra mussels.

Ed Vrdolyak would resent being called a lamprey...if he wasn't one.

Are we sure they weren't fighting over who should be the Bears starting QB?

I think Cade McNown deserves a crack.

I live on the South Side

Secret Service permitting I'm giving an architecture tour of Kenwood on September 6, if you have any interest. Can't work baseball into it, Mohammad Ali's former mansion is on the tour.

Then there was Boguslav "Vlad" Griffin, the unheralded actor who teamed with Val Kilmer's older half brother, Vlad Kilmer-Boguslav, on Sesame Street in that show's long-running sketch comedy, "The Impalers." They also played front and back Snuffleupagus in uncredited roles.

I think Cade McNown deserves a crack.

I hope that was a joke about his history of dating Playboy Bunnies.

Roosevelt Franklin has been called in for questioning.

Roosevelt Franklin was framed...

This guy is the real culprit.

The White Sox fan was asked to count backwards from 100 and he started with 2008, 2007, 2006....

Then he had to pause to jump off the truck and empty the next trash can.

LOL @ the guy who lost an eye!

I love how a discussion about statistics is met with deadly seriousness but something like this is just a joke.

Hey whatever happened to the hillbilly father-son duo that laid the smackdown on the KC Royals coach?

In Chicago among the baseball faithful is it something like 10 to 1 people who follow the Cubs over those who follow the Sox, and if so, why?

1) Haray Caray

2) Cubs put their games on WGN. Sox put their son an Einhorn station no one gets.

3a) Wrigley Field - always a classic
3b) The Cell - doesn't help that it was the last pre-Camden Field

4) Wrigleyville vs. South Side of Chicago

5) Most suburban expansion in 1980s and early 1990s happened in NW region of suburbs, gravitating people closer to the Cubs. When I teach at McHenry Community College, the student body is absurdly pro-Cub in its tilt. It may very well be 10:1 judging by jerseys worn. Now that Naperville is booming and I-355 has been expanded, that might change.

6) 1984 happened after 1983. OK, that senteence was poorly put. Simply put, the White Sox afterglow was swallowed up in the cheers of "Go Cubs Go" and no similar Sox resurgence drowend out the Cubs in '84 or '89

7) 1994 strike. Sox had a team and it looked like their year. Not only that, but Reinsdorf was one of the hardline owners, making it appear he cared more about the bottom line than a pennant. You didn't hear much guff about the park until after this.

8) White Flag Trade - actually a good trade, but just amplified all the above problems in the short run, especially #7. Reinsdorf didn't help matters much by declaring "Anyone who thinks we can catch Cleveland is crazy" He was right, but a little too deflating for fan hoping for it.

9) Cubs marketing department. Do a great job. I believe they were the first team in any sport to have an off-season fan convention.

10) More fan-friendly stars: Frank Thomas is the greatet hitter Chicago has ever seen, but he always lurched wrong with the media -- the anti-Grace in that regard. Sosa had his gestures, Belle had his reputation. Sandberg got along well. Baines was always respected, but he never said anything.

Much of these are now out of date (strike, white flag trade, suburbs going up elsewhere, Guillen is most poular baseball man in town, Caray is dead) but those are the things that gave the Cubs an advantage.

Da East Side.

Go Bears.

I did some community organizing down there for a few years. A very interesting place to work in, with a growing Hispanic population. It's one of the few communities I've worked in where most meetings and strategy sessions were held in a Catholic, as opposed to a Protestant church.

It's probably more like 2 to 1, or maybe even 3 to 2, although the allegiances of many people seem to ebb and flow depending on which team is doing better at any given moment.

I'd say 3:2 is closer. I see a LOT of Sox gear around town, including on the north side, and the Sox draw well, if not as well as the Cubs. The Sox don't have the national fan base the Cubs have, but locally it's much more balanced.

4) Wrigleyville vs. South Side of Chicago

IOW, gentrification hit Lakeview in the early '80s. I personally try to stay away from Wrigley Field (and not because the Cubs are there), but a lot of people like the frat party atmosphere.

Bridgeport and Armour Square are a lot nicer than they used to be, but there's still not a whole lot to do down there.

Doc, another thing is that Reinsdorf threatened to move the team to Florida when he was angling for a stadium. I know a lot of owners do this, but the Tribune never did. Also his ethnicity did little to counter his image as a money-first guy over the years with a certain segment of the fanbase. The World Series win did ease that image a bit, but old feelings die hard.

"This guy is the real culprit."

Busted link. If it's the guy I think you mean, though, he does have some shady known associates.

"LOL @ the guy who lost an eye!

I love how a discussion about statistics is met with deadly seriousness but something like this is just a joke."

Well, it's not like he doesn't have another one.

In 2001 the Sun-Times did a survey, and it was 66% Cub fans 34% Sox fans for those people who were not fans other teams/no teams. So, as of 7 years ago, it was 2:1. The '05 series won the Sox alot of casual fans/new transplants, but then again, they're always fighting the tractor beam that is Wrigley Field-the best marketing tool a sports franchise could hope for besides fielding a contending club.

I should mention also that while most everybody in the city is hoping for a Cubs/White Sox World Series, I'm actually kind of frightened at the prospect, knowing that with everything on the table and the alcohol flowing, the situation could devolve very quickly.

I'd say 3:2 is closer. I see a LOT of Sox gear around town, including on the north side, and the Sox draw well, if not as well as the Cubs. The Sox don't have the national fan base the Cubs have, but locally it's much more balanced.

I think this is quite true. Especially since the championship, I think the city limits are more evenly split than folks might think. Do you see more Cubs threads and caps on the north side? Sure -- but it's nowhere near the inequity one might think.

It's the suburbs, exurbs, and midwest where the Cubs over-perform... I would say west of the Ohio state line, north of Peoria, south of Milwaukee and east of the rockies -- the Cubs rule the roost. WGN has a lot to do with that - but I wouldn't underestimate the Des Moines factor, either... The Cubs own Iowa in no small part because the long relationship with their AAA team.

I should mention also that while most everybody in the city is hoping for a Cubs/White Sox World Series, I'm actually kind of frightened at the prospect, knowing that with everything on the table and the alcohol flowing, the situation could devolve very quickly.

I think a Sox/Cubs World Series would be terrible for this town.

It's the suburbs, exurbs, and midwest where the Cubs over-perform... I would say west of the Ohio state line, north of Peoria, south of Milwaukee and east of the rockies -- the Cubs rule the roost.

Except the Region. Lake and Porter counties are most definitely White Sox territory (for obvious reasons). Once you get past LaPorte County, or south into Newton/Jasper, the Cubs begin to re-exert dominance until they bump into fans of the Reds, Tigers or Cardinals.

IOW, gentrification hit Lakeview in the early '80s. I personally try to stay away from Wrigley Field (and not because the Cubs are there), but a lot of people like the frat party atmosphere.

Hell, I try to stay away from Wrigleyville when I'm not going to Cubs games. There have to be at least a dozen neighborhoods in Chicago I'd rather hang out in. The rampant d0uch3b@ggery's fairly irritating.

This is why you can't have nice pizza.

Believe me, Chicago police and emergency services do NOT want a Cubs-Sox World Series.

where the three men allegedly started teasing Steele that White Sox fans had missing teeth.

Where they proceeded to beat him up to remove his teeth. They were only fulfulling their prophecy.

Matthew 18:9 - "And if thy neighbor's eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for him to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire."

You try to live a godly life these days, and look what happens!

And here I thought that the Vlad handle was an homage to Guerrero.

"And here I thought that the Vlad handle was an homage to Guerrero."

Yeah, people think that a lot. He's cool, but it wasn't a consideration.

Is Sesame Street in Wrigleyvile, the South Side, or (even) the East Side?

I think a Sox/Cubs World Series would be terrible for this town.

I totally agree, and the riot after it ended would not be pretty.

It's the suburbs, exurbs, and midwest where the Cubs over-perform... I would say west of the Ohio state line, north of Peoria, south of Milwaukee and east of the rockies -- the Cubs rule the roost. WGN has a lot to do with that - but I wouldn't underestimate the Des Moines factor, either... The Cubs own Iowa in no small part because the long relationship with their AAA team.

The southwest suburbs for years were a Sox haven, a lot of the Chicagoland echo generation grew up in these neighborhoods and they came of age when the Sox were cool because of the new stadium, Big Hurt, and they were fielding good teams.

It is a very transient area so I have no idea if it still is though I would guess with the recent decade of "success" by the Cubs it is more of a Cubs county nowadays.