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Cashman is certainly earning his extension.
Of course, Farnsworth is probably Detroit's best relief pitcher, given that Zumaya should be injured again any hour now.
I've been saying the Yankees should sell high on Farnsworth for a month now. You the man, Cash!
Is this thread in a mid 90s timewarp?
Brandon Inge can catch full-time and leave them with little downgrade on offense, while Farnsworth upgrades the bullpen. It's still insane, though.
You know that he's replacing Jose Molina right?
(**) Save for Dombo's inexplicable wood for Farnsworth who will now be a closer.
Well, if trading nothing at all for Bobby Abreu in a season where they didn't have any major injuries didn't get them more than 1 postseason win that year, I guess this sickening display of plutocracy doesn't guarantee anything either.
And all of that would matter if he wasn't a free agent at the end of the season. There's no way of turning this into a bad deal for the Yankees.
... and his contract is up at the end of the year, as is Farnsworth's. Hard to find a better 2-month rental than that.
It almost makes up for this ridiculously unbalanced trade. It is both horribly scewed towards the Yankees and an insult to Pudge. I mean, seriously! C'mon!
Bud Selig's good graces. And Hankenstein's.
In addition to what 'Joey Belle needs love too' said, an 85 OPS+ for a catcher isn't even that bad, I believe it's right around average, iirc.
A brilliant move of selling high on Farnsworth, who is a thundering dunderhead.
It's also about the draft picks as a I believe Pudge is a Type A free agent at the end of the season. I still don't think the Yankees are going anywhere this year, but this was a masterstroke by Cashman.
Drained dry! I’m so sorry. Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that’s a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake… I… drink… your… milkshake
Good god in heaven this trade sucks.
Thanks for the memories, Pudge.
Farnsworth for I-Rod? Jesus H. Christ. What a disgraceful giveaway by the Tigers, and it doesn't even save them that much money - maybe $2.5m. Meanwhile the Yankees not only get a huge upgrade at catcher for the remainder of the season, but they can offer arbitration - considering the Posada situation, having I-Rod next year would be excellent, and if he goes elsewhere they get two draft picks.
Cashman is the AJ Styles of general managers, no doubt about it.
I've thought about it a little since posting that and maybe offering arb would be risky, but nevertheless this is absolute daylight robbery. The Tigers are insane - sure 5.5 back is a lot to make up but stranger things have happened, and this doesn't help them one bit for future years.
I refuse to believe Dombrowski is stupid enough to do this without orders from above.
BR has C's OPS+ at 94, 88, and 94 the last three years.
At least you have Kyle Farnsworth.
Inge is a better catcher now and for the future.
They get to strengthen a weak bullpen by adding a pitcher who gives up way too many homeruns but is otherwise pretty solid. Comerica Park certainly won't hurt his homerun problem.
Sorry, Tigers fans.
However, the draft picks would have existed if he was still on the Tigers, and the Tigers would get them.
but the conspiracy theorists--c'mon kids. settle down....
I hate Pudge, but I don't care if he's wearing a blindfold, he'll be able to out-hit Molina.
Yea, but trade him to a fellow AL contender? Separate deals sending Pudge to Florida and picking up a reliever elsewhere would have made more sense.
Why would he need to respond? His job is entirely different from Cashman's. Cashman's job is to make the Yankees a better team. Theo's job is to keep the Red Sox in the headlines, via controversies real or imagined. So far this trading deadline season, they've both done what they're good at.
... he's replacing Jose Molina. Jose Molina is replacing Chad Moeller. Unless he spontaneously combusts in the next 72 hours, there's no way he doesn't help the Yankees.
Mike Timlin for Mike Piazza.
That's a little on the south side of $3MM, which is not chump change.
That's what they are going for, yes. The bullpen could easily be fine. Rodney and Zumaya are back, Jones is no longer closing, and there are guys in the minors who could have been promoted. Pudge for an SP I could see. For another ride with the Professor? Break me a #$%$#$^ give.
Theorist, in the singular. It's just me. At first I was mostly joking, but now I'm working into a conspiracy tizzy. And I'm just getting warmed up!
Seriously, I'm leaning conspiracy here because it's the kind interpretation. The only other available interpretation is that Dombrowski is either a total moron--which he has a track record that suggests he isn't--or was stoned out of his mind this afternoon. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, you know?
If the Yankees offer Pudge arbitration, I would be shocked if he doesn't end up accepting. I would doubt that the market is really strong for a below-average, 37 year old catcher. He might be the most expensive backup catcher in league history next season (or Posada might be).
I think that $13M he gets next year would have Henry reaching for the veto button though
This is the kinda trade that if a poster proposed it, there would be fifty replies telling him how far-fetched and ridiculous such a trade could be.
This is further proof of the pro-Yankee conspiracy that Baseball has been running since 1996 (they had similar plans at other points in time, too though). Sure, they've done things like revenue sharing and the World Baseball Classic to try and put up the illusion that the Yankees are just considered another team, but I can see it now: Selig, Fehr and the heads of FOX and TBS on the phone with the Tigers telling them they have to trade Pudge to the Yanks or the terrible truth behind Kenny Rogers' hand from a few years back comes out.
Bingo. We should have dealt Thames for a SP if we wanted to go all in.
man #### you guys rowdy kyle farnsworth is too good for new york #######
Good god in heaven this trade sucks.
Thanks for the memories, Pudge.
I don't agree with it and don't really understand it, but it's obvious DD sees Farnsworth as a guy who can close, which the Tigers obviously need. But who's going to catch?
it's brian cashman saying hello to all the whiners out there!
http://tinyurl.com/dta8a
Is it though? He had another player who could take over at catcher and provide comparable offensive production, and he felt he needed to improve the bullpen. On top of it, the organization saves a little salary. I don't think it screams "moron" as badly as most of you seem to think. Then again, I have a kinder opinion of Farnsworth.
Right, that is what I am saying. I probably see the yanks signing him to like a 2/14 or something.
It all depends on how Posada's shoulder holds up, he had surgery today.
The back end of the Yankees lineup is a fright these days. If Damon isn't in the field, it's been Melky, Gardner, Molina. That's NL-like.
Inge. He'll be fine, I see no net downgrade this season or going forward. But the return and the loss of picks have me seeing red.
It's a ballsy move to be sure. But teams with just a sliver of hope for the postseason and rosters heavy on veteran talent need to make moves like this.
Obviously, it's extremely rare for a deadline deal to catapult a team into the playoffs, and measured against the acquisition of Doyle Alexander, this won't have a major impact. But measured against all the other actual deadline deals that get made, this trade is groin-grabbingly lopsided to the Yankees and a major upgrade.
I know, seriously. When will Theo get to work and finally win a World Series?
I think the Yankees would pay that.
By January the Yankees should have a pretty good handle on Posada's surgery/rehab progress. At that point, if Posada looks good, I-Rod will likely go elsewhere b/c he wants to start and the Yanks get the picks. If Posada looks like he's DH bound, the Yanks re-sign I-Rod. It's perfect.
Farns is a decent reliever, he could help Detroit this year.
if pudge finishes this season reasonably well, he's likely to find someone willing to offer him a multi-year deal ... plus the yankees can offer him whatever they feel is justified in arbitration ... he's an actual free agent and not bound by the 20% decrease rule ...
It certainly makes the Yankees better, but this wailing and gnashing of teeth over a player that is posting an OBP over .300 for the 2nd time in 4 years?
Sorry... not seeing it.
Don't look now - but I-Rod is basically Jason LaRue in his prime ... and has been for about 3 years now.
Sure, if they want to lose the arb case and end up paying him $12 million.
Ah, yes. Stupidity is stupidity unless it's my guy displaying it. Then it's balls.
most of the time it's money. This is the one of the few occasions where the other team doesn't gain a lot financially.
Not that it mitigates things much, but I-Rod had a no-trade clause, and could have likely pulled an Abreu and basically said "I will only go to New York." Obviously, the payroll helps, but the Yankees also benefit a lot from players wanting to play there. Very similar (though less important) than the Abreu deal*: a team wants to unload salary, the player has a no-trade clause, and the Yankees are the only option.
*And, of course, Farnsworth is a better return than the Phillies got for Abreu.
Not my guy. I'm a Twins fan.
hmm. That's weird because they also have Pudge being above average for a catcher in 2007 (sOPS+ of 101), when his OPS+ was only 85.
Detroit thinks their still in it, has a better catching option (Inge) and a bull-pen held together by spit and scotchtape. It's a pretty desparate gamble to think Farnsworth is the difference maker, but they save $3M (see above). Pittsburgh took a flyer on a former top-50 prospect they think they can rehabilitate, and three mediocre arms they desperately need to avoir their pitching becoming a complete vortex of suck.
No conspiracies needed. They may be bad decisions, but they're rational.
This has something to do with it as well. The Steinbrenner brothers gave the go ahead to add payroll to improve the team, and neither they nor Cashman have wanted to give up their best prospects. I think he is a complete workaholic as well, and it seems he's very patient dealing with teams to get exactly what he wants.
Bingo. I doubt that any other team will make a trade that is as much as a +1 win upgrade (which is about what this one is), and given the position they are in, that win is very important to the Yankees.
I don't get it. The Yankees to some mind-numbingly stupid things, but then they also make trades like this and the Abreu trade and the A-Rod trade. Goddamit.
I'm not thinking they did. They weren't going to re-sign him, they weren't going to offer him arbitration (so no draft picks), and they have Inge availagble to replace him for 2 months, until they decide in the off-season what to do long-term. No one else but the Yankees likely wanted him, so they had to take whatever the Yankees would offer, which is $3 Million savings plus another bullpen arm.
I don't think so. If Posada is healthy, he'll catch 120 games, and Pudge will be too expensive for a backup, and will want to play more. I'm sure he still thinks he's a starter. Matsui has DH pretty much locked up for next year.
A bit less than a win better thought it looks like.
There was a rap on I-rod a few years back he didn't call a good dame. Maybe we can find out if that's true now.
Why? Because the credit he got handling young staffs in 03 and 06 didn't penetrate the northeast media fog?
well, if pudge is worth that much in a one year deal, i'd say it's pretty damn likely he's going to get offered more than that in a multi-year deal, which he's even more likely to take if it means a choice between being a high-paid backup and getting to start ...
Hmmm, maybe the page I was looking at included pitchers hitting? I had to use OPS+ compared to their teams since sOPS+ on the league pages were 100. So yeah, that's probably the difference.
in the Yankees' world, there are far worse things than paying Pudge $12 mill. for one year.
/head asspoldes
I see no chance Pudge stays with the Yankees, unless Posada doesn't recover well and can't catch much. Pudge will want to be a starter, and will get decent offers. There are few good catchers out there.
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