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Tuesday, January 06, 2009

Tim Brown: Romero deserved his punishment

Here’s what happened: Romero’s positive test was for a drug not listed among the ingredients of the product – 6-OXO Extreme – he purchased. Baseball officials bought a random bottle of the same supplement and, sure enough, its laboratory found traces of the same banned drug. Romero, then, was correct; the manufacturer screwed him, and maybe the manufacturer will be kind enough to reimburse Romero the million-plus dollars he’s going to lose during his suspension. Maybe the manufacturer will need a little legal prodding. Whatever.

But, that’s not baseball’s problem. And it is not the union’s battle.

The message from baseball – both the commissioner’s office and the union – to its players regarding over-the-counter supplements has been consistent: It’s risky. Contamination is possible, a player ought to surmise, with products that promise, say, “maximum testosterone production.” The supplement industry is inadequately regulated. If a player chooses to use a supplement, he’d best adhere to baseball’s program that certifies certain supplements. The league also maintains a hotline that, in part, helps players distinguish the safe products from the potentially hazardous ones. Romero, apparently, chose not to make that call.

In fact, according to sources familiar with Romero’s story, the pitcher was told by a wise soul last summer to quit using 6-OXO Extreme, a product he picked up at a nutrition store. And he did. Then started up again. Then he tested positive. His fault.

So, Romero will miss the Phillies’ first 50 games of 2009. Sergio Mitre, another pitcher who has a similar story with a different over-the-counter product, will serve his suspension recovering from surgery.

This is what zero tolerance looks like, what would have saved us from the freaks that turned baseball into a league for over-inflated clowns.

Tripon Posted: January 06, 2009 at 10:56 PM | 16 comment(s)
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   1. OCF Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:54 AM (#3045175)
This is what zero tolerance looks like, what would have saved us from the freaks that turned baseball into a league for over-inflated clowns.

Does anyone ever use language like that with respect to football players? "Over-inflated clowns?" To mention a name that's been in the news lately, Alan Page played defensive line in the NFL in the 1970's weighing 240 lbs (or maybe even less). Anybody seen a lineman that looks like that lately? Even in college?
   2. AJMacaroni Posted: January 07, 2009 at 04:01 AM (#3045176)
The message from baseball – both the commissioner’s office and the union – to its players regarding over-the-counter supplements has been consistent: It’s risky.

I thought baseball's message was those supplements were fine...until they sent out the letter saying "uh, yeah, about that..."?
   3. Maury Brown Posted: January 07, 2009 at 04:28 AM (#3045181)
Tim Brown's article is spot on. It's not like there is a link on the MLBPA's website detailing what nutritional supplements are approved. As I wrote today, "negligence" was the proper word for the matter.
   4. dng Posted: January 07, 2009 at 06:13 AM (#3045188)
6-OXO is a Patrick Arnold creation. That Patrick Arnold (and he is a genius whatever his other faults). Baylor did a study on it and while it did increase testosterone (endogenous not exogenous, which is a very important distinction I think), it also massively increased DHT and led to big increase in estrogen (I don't know enough about the product to know if those increases are expected, mitigated...etc, but those results are scary to a layman like me; I do have friends who swear by that product...)

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=17949492
   5. cwinff Posted: January 07, 2009 at 07:06 AM (#3045190)
Aside from article itself, people sure must be getting tired of people like His-Holy-Goodness Tim Brown pontificate on how decidedly evil these druggies are, and May they rot in a Health Drink Bar Hell for eternity. Maybe we should all be trying to lobby sainthood for Pope Brown here. Besides, the guy writes like a junior high school sports editor, which qualifies him perfectly for his job. Thank God that ability and talent has nothing to do with being a sports writer. Ted Williams was "spot on"!
   6. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 07, 2009 at 12:03 PM (#3045360)
Does anyone ever use language like that with respect to football players? "Over-inflated clowns?" To mention a name that's been in the news lately, Alan Page played defensive line in the NFL in the 1970's weighing 240 lbs (or maybe even less). Anybody seen a lineman that looks like that lately? Even in college?


Because most (not all!) of the people that have problems with steroids only care about certain baseball records being broken and their heroes from their youth being pushed back on the major records lists, OCF. Football stats? Not that concerned, apparently. Besides, football players are supposed to be big, while baseball players are not.

If you're concerned about the legal and medical problems with PED use, then you have to use your bullhorn to blast football players, too. Except even louder.
   7. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: January 07, 2009 at 12:06 PM (#3045365)
played defensive line in the NFL in the 1970's weighing 240 lbs (or maybe even less). Anybody seen a lineman that looks like that lately? Even in college?

Nowadays, in college, 240 is a linebacker or really big safety.
   8. ValueArb Posted: January 07, 2009 at 01:14 PM (#3045462)
This is what zero tolerance looks like, what would have saved us from the freaks that turned baseball into a league for over-inflated clowns.


NL AB/HR
2008 34
1998 34.5
1988 51
1978 51
1968 61.6

It's so great that baseball is back to normal, now that we've gotten ridden of those freaks who ruined the seasons of 2000, 1961, 1955, and 1930..
   9. baseball chick, now with lousy baseball team Posted: January 07, 2009 at 01:15 PM (#3045466)
nobody gives a shtt about nameless faceless football players using testosterone steroids

they only think of starting to give a shtt about a football player when they do stuff like murder their pregnant gf so as they dont have to pay child support because they forgot to wear a raincoat when they doin her.

or worse, murder helpless doggies by the dozens (but even then you need all the peta people to start screaming about making trouble...)

people LIKE the idea that football players contracts aren't worth the paper they written on and they are seen as disposable as toilet paper. you use them whilst you can then throw em away.

besides people like football players all looking like they roided up. make em more violent and that is just the ticket. don't nobody want to see football players looking like they did back in the 70s. (even though they have guys like keanu reeves and mac davis in football moveis and don't nobody seem to care)

it has to do with fantasy. not just the kind you gamble on i mean. but the kind where males go watch these giant roid machines hit and commit violence on the field and the males watching get to feel all that violence.

but the fantasy with baseball players is watching guys who look like them (fat) or little (eckstein, pedrioa, aaron miles) or tall and skinny (juan pierre) and they get to think - hey, i could go out there and do that. don't males think that about football.

sort of like all yall with your talk about baseball player wives. who look like sluts with blond hair and fake boobs who you picked up in hooters. i don't see none of all yall marrying females like that. and yeh i know most of yall don't make millions but you sure nuff make moren enuf to pick up and marry some slutty looking hooters chick with giant fake boobies
   10. Joe Bivens, Proud Union Member Posted: January 07, 2009 at 01:20 PM (#3045475)
you sure nuff make moren enuf to pick up and marry some slutty looking hooters chick with giant fake boobies

There was a parallel discussion in the Lounge last evening.
   11. Edmundo, more Jules than Jim Posted: January 07, 2009 at 01:28 PM (#3045489)
Alan Page played defensive line in the NFL in the 1970's weighing 240 lbs (or maybe even less). Anybody seen a lineman that looks like that lately? Even in college?
The Eagles have tended towards fast, lighter DEs -- Chris Clemons goes about 240 and Trent Cole is in the 250s, I think. Of course they have 2 300 DTs to balance the equation and their LBs are in the 250/260 range.
   12. ColonelTom Posted: January 07, 2009 at 01:34 PM (#3045501)
nobody gives a shtt about nameless faceless football players using testosterone steroids


Maybe if we put a helmet on Romero next year, no one will notice it's him. At least until he strikes someone out and starts flexing and screaming at the top of his lungs.

Come to think of it, maybe that was a warning sign....
   13. Walt Davis Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:59 PM (#3045615)
The Eagles have tended towards fast, lighter DEs -- Chris Clemons goes about 240 and Trent Cole is in the 250s, I think. Of course they have 2 300 DTs to balance the equation and their LBs are in the 250/260 range.

Page was a DT. Eller and Marshall were the DEs ... though they may have been larger than Page anyway. And the other DT was ... Bob Larsen??? (Wiki says Gary Larsen -- hell of a cartoonist too! :-)

Page was quick as a cat. Also my favorite football player as a kid.

Light "DEs" aren't really new although they're sometimes labeled outside "LBs" but still do almost nothing but rush the passer.
   14. Hysterical & Useless Posted: January 07, 2009 at 02:59 PM (#3045616)
Re: Alan Page, he was an anomaly even then. Page was MUCH larger when he 1st came to the NFL--believe he was listed around 280--but when he decided he could still be an effective player (by emphasizing quickness and strength, rather than bulk) AND enjoy better long-term health prospects, he met enormous resistance from his team. Nowadays I suppose players believe they don't have to sacrifice bulk in order to maintain quickness, and very few people of any age or economic status seem to give much thought to their long-term health; and that's probably doubly true for young guys comparing many millions they might make from the NFL vs how many thousands from Mickey Ds.
   15. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: January 07, 2009 at 03:23 PM (#3045651)
I'm pretty sure post 9 is evidence baseball chick is 'roiding.
   16. OCF Posted: January 07, 2009 at 04:19 PM (#3045729)
Yes, Page was an anomaly - but the sources I was reading this morning say that the trouble with the team came to a head when he took up distance running and dropped from 240 to 225.

I played HS football in Oklahoma around 1970 as a lineman, and I've seen the changes. At my school my senior year, the star lineman - a two-way tackle - was about 6-2, 175. I outweighed everyone on the starting line and I was under 200 at the time (I wasn't any good, but that's another issue.) I remember Lucious (sp?) Selmon being something of a cult hero among lineman. He played middle guard (= nose tackle) for the Sooners and he weighed about 205-210. (His younger brothers Dewey and Leroy were bigger.) The one time in my senior year we faced someone who went on to a substantial pro career, the Monday film session before the game was one of the scariest things I remember. His name was Mike Fanning, and he was a GIANT - which I mean he was about 6-6, 235 and no one could block him. He wrestled as well - won all his matches, pinned everyone, even the blobs. Of course he bulked up from there in college and the pros, but I don't think he ever got up to anywhere near 300 (I see him listed as about 255). So the very guy I remember as a giant would be scrawny in today's game - even at the college level.
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