Damn San Francisco hippies.

Damn hippie.

Just another one-hitter for Lincecum.

Awesome.

Lincecum a pothead. Who knew?

another baseball hero! cubs need to get him to compete the pot head battery.

Who writes the first "won't somebody think of the children" article?

He asked Lincecum to hand it over, and Lincecum reached into his dashboard console and produced a small pouch and a pipe

Is Tim Lincecum retarded? "Gee, handing these drugs over to the cop will definitely get me off the hook!"

What does Tim Lincecum's Playstation Counterpart have to say about this, anyway?

Only 74 in a 60? Maybe he'd have kept up with the speed of traffic if he weren't stoned.

Doing 74 in a 60? That's actually not that fast. Did someone need to fill their quota?

Let this be a lesson to you, Timmy: don't speed while smoking weed. I've known several people who toke while driving on the freeway, but it never made sense to me. I tried it once, and it was ####ing terrifying. Paranoia, a short attention span, slowed reaction time, and heavy machinery are a bad combination.

Drugs!? No wonder he wone a CY Yung!!1oneoneoneon11111!!!!!

Is Tim Lincecum retarded? "Gee, handing these drugs over to the cop will definitely get me off the hook!"

Better than searching the car and finding the three kilos in the trunk.

He should wear a towel.

I am shocked -- shocked! -- to discover that Tim Lincecum smokes weed.

Is Tim Lincecum retarded? "Gee, handing these drugs over to the cop will definitely get me off the hook!"

Not much alternative when they have already smelled it, is there? "Gee, officer, that's no drugs you smell, that's my new deodorant, Axe Aquarius."

Probable cause requires more than 'smelling'. Lincecum could have fought it if he knew more about the law.

Given our draconian drug laws, I'm not so sure "smelling" isn't considered probable cause.

Having been accosted by a police officer while stoned before, I can attest to the fact that most people are not thinking, "I would be within my rights to refuse this request" at the moment it becomes clear that you are getting jacked. I certainly wasn't, anyway.

If there was ever a pitcher who I could picture getting high with and arguing over classic-rock records, it's Tim Lincecum. So this is about as shocking as Ellen Degeneres coming out of the closet.

Littering and ...

Ohhhhhh dear.

Holy Crap, Hazel Dell? I used to drive through there all the time while doing delivery work in Portland. I misread the sign and henceforth afterwards it was always known to me as Hazel Deli.

Pot? Near Portland? Stunning. This whole story is as shocking as a sunrise.

The Giants have just issued a press release that says Tim is being treated for glaucoma.

Well, if he was high while driving that's another story, but the intensity with which Marijuana is fought (particularly in the US) is a travesty to me. It isn't for everyone, but it's pretty OK overall with me.

I'm with Voxter, I would never have guessed that long-haired, 20-something, MGMT fan in San Francisco smoked weed. At least they didn't find the two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers . . . and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls in the trunk.

I'm with Voxter, I would never have guessed that long-haired, 20-something, MGMT fan in San Francisco smoked weed. At least they didn't find the two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers . . . and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls in the trunk.

"We can't stop here. This is bat country!"

Legend. I just love the way how it just casually portrays the "sure ossifer, here's the pipe and dime-bag" attitude.
Lincecum is my hero.

Not much alternative when they have already smelled it, is there?

As my lawyer, Jay-Z, said:

"Well, do you mind if I look round the car a little bit?"
Well my glove compartment is locked so are the trunk in the back
And I know my rights so you gon' need a warrant for that
"Aren't you sharp as a tack, you some type of lawyer or something'?"
"Or somebody important or somethin'?"
Nah, I ain't pass the bar but i know a little bit
Enough that you won't illegally search my ####

Kids, if you do pot, you will never achieve anything!

Section 8F of the Joint Drug Agreement.

F. Marijuana
A Player on the Administrative Track for the use or possession of marijuana shall not be subject to suspension. The Player will be subject to fines, which shall be progressive and which shall not exceed $25,000 for any particular violation. Notwithstanding the foregoing, a Player who participates in the sale or distribution (as those terms are used in the criminal code) of marijuana will be subject to the discipline set forth in Section 8.E above.

http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf

"If there was ever a pitcher who I could picture getting high with and arguing over classic-rock records, it's Tim Lincecum."

Not that I disagree exactly, but Lincecum isn't even the former Cy Young winner in the Giants rotation who best meets that description.

Not that I disagree exactly, but Lincecum isn't even the former Cy Young winner in the Giants rotation who best meets that description.

I think Randy Johnson would listen more to country, myself.

Brad Penny has never won a Cy Young Award

At least it wasn't steroids.

I don't know, Cute Widdle Timmy getting caught with steroids would be a pretty good way for the public to figure out they aren't some kind of magic muscle beans.

Brad Penny has never won a Cy Young Award

That's because he was putting his bud in brownies.

:)

Lincecum looks like a Linkin Park fan, or something like that. I can definitely see Barry Zito trying to teach him on Pink Floyd between bong hits

That's because he was putting his bud in brownies.

I don't need any details.

At least it wasn't capital-B Brownies.

He was framed so he doesn't get the second cy young!

....a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls in the trunk.


"as your lawyer I advise you to smoke em inside"

39. Into the Void Posted: November 05, 2009 at 09:04 PM (#3380311)
He was framed so he doesn't get the second cy young!

Are you implying that sportswriters *aren't* potheads?

If there was ever a pitcher who I could picture getting high with and arguing over classic-rock records, it's Tim Lincecum. So this is about as shocking as Ellen Degeneres coming out of the closet.

Ellen DeGeneres is gay?????

He was just entering a rigorous off-season training program under the supervision of Michael Phelps.

no, Ellen Degeneres throws in the high 90s

I was at a Borders once and they had a woman named Sally Zito performing. A friend and I instantly started joking "Hey guys, Barry Zito's sister's here tonight!" and cracking jokes about her throwing the audience a curveball. Then Barry Zito showed up, confirmed that this woman really WAS his sister during the performance and played guitar with her. For a while, we debated whether Zito would hang out and watch The Big Lebowski and have a few beers with us afterwards. Our thinking was "If there was ever a baseball player who WOULD, it's him". We said hi to him, but felt weird about inviting him to party. Besides, he was an A at the time and we are Angel fans after all.

This is utterly shocking. What do we tell the children?

"What does this do to his Hall of Fame chances?"

wonder if this will get him a guest shot on sons of anarchy.

I'm going to reach way back to #3 and say WIN!

a woman named Sally Zito performing

Yeah, she went to Berklee School of Music and lived in the North End. She worked part-time at a laundromat there, and when Barry was playing in the Cape Cod league apparently he'd hang out at the laundromat. One day a couple years ago when the Giants were in town, I was doing laundry and the owner Sal (who's about 50 and drives some ridiculous sports car and plays in a wedding band and conforms to about 96% of the typical Italian-American stereotypes) comes in (a rarity in itself) and surprised me when he mentioned he was going to go "hang out with Barry" and then go to the ballgame. I said, Barry BONDS?? And he looked at me with this disgusted look and said, "No-o-o-o...Barry Zito. Nicest kid in the world." And that's when I heard the Barry-Zito's-sister-used-to-work-in-the-laundromat story.

Speaking of #3, why is a one-hitter called a one-hitter when you can almost always get two hits out of it?

I hate to tell God this but you're doing it wrong.

I'm going to reach way back to #3 and say WIN!

In the old days we called that a Primey nomination. (Seconded, if anyone's counting)

Let this be a lesson to you, Timmy: don't speed while smoking weed. I've known several people who toke while driving on the freeway, but it never made sense to me. I tried it once, and it was ####ing terrifying. Paranoia, a short attention span, slowed reaction time, and heavy machinery are a bad combination.

Someone who's been burning 'em down since before Weekend at Burnsie's can easily handle that without freaking out.

Who writes the first "won't somebody think of the children" article?

Lincecum is the children

Lincecum is the children

You just blew my mind.

Jeremy Jeffress is not amused.

Tim should have said no. If the cop could have searched without his permission, he wouldn't ask permission. And Lincecum is not going to get any better treatment for having confessed.

Darren is right. Some people just don't watch enough t.v.

Are you saying that I'm easily taken in? Am I? Tell me and I'll believe you. :)

Grant Roberts: Know your place, rook!

Probable cause requires more than 'smelling'. Lincecum could have fought it if he knew more about the law.

In Washington State a driver can be charged with reckless driving if he is above the speed limit and the officer decides that it is appropriate. It would be tough to successfully argue against it if you are going 14 miles above the speed limit - and in that case the car would likely be searched anyway. The penalty for handing the baggie over is less than if he'd tried to stonewall.

And frankly, I have no sympathy for someone who has marijuana and the pipe or whatever within easy reach while driving. I think marijuana should be legalized - but driving under the influence is wrong, and there is no reason to have it be so easily reached if he hadn't smoked it recently.

Meh. That pretty much sums up the reaction of the Bay Area. I think people would be more shocked if he wasn't a stoner. ;)

Berklee School of Music

Is this like Hollywood Upstairs?

No more easily taken in by television than most!

But seriously, many of us became aware of these sorts of basic legal rights from movies and t.v. and hip-hop songs. I know I did, because I sure as hell didn't learn it in school. Timmy must've spend his entire childhood in the backyard perfecting that pitching motion to not be aware of such rights or was seriously out of his gourd when he was pulled over.

The penalty for handing the baggie over is less than if he'd tried to stonewall.

Really? How do they do that?

And frankly, I have no sympathy for someone who has marijuana and the pipe or whatever within easy reach while driving. I think marijuana should be legalized - but driving under the influence is wrong, and there is no reason to have it be so easily reached if he hadn't smoked it recently.

I certainly agree that driving under the influence is wrong, but 'within easy reach' doesn't sound like a good thing to outlaw. There's no indication (if anything, negative indications) that he had been using while driving. "There is no reason" is the sort of standard that can be used to wipe away all kinds of rights.

but driving under the influence is wrong, and there is no reason to have it be so easily reached if he hadn't smoked it recently.

Agree with the first part but not the second. It could've been in the glove compartment because he was on his way home from buying it. Not everyone has the luxury of having it delivered to one's house by bicycle messenger. Man, I love New York.

Is this like Hollywood Upstairs?

Definitely not.

In Washington State a driver can be charged with reckless driving if he is above the speed limit and the officer decides that it is appropriate. It would be tough to successfully argue against it if you are going 14 miles above the speed limit - and in that case the car would likely be searched anyway. The penalty for handing the baggie over is less than if he'd tried to stonewall.

How is going 74 MPH 'reckless driving'?

If you're zooming in and out of lanes while going faster than everyone else, it's reckless driving. Hence the phrase "if the officer decides that it is appropriate".

How is going 74 MPH 'reckless driving'?

a) Reckless driving is a judgement call - up to the arresting officer.

b) 74 MPH in a 60 MPH zone - nearly 25% above the speed limit.

How are you going to argue in court that it ISN'T reckless driving? Are you going to claim that despite what the arresting officer says, and the speed he was driving, that he was driving reasonably? And after the car is impounded and the drugs are found anyway, is that going to help the case?

Like it or not, in the real world Lincecum was screwed once he was nailed for driving 14 mph over the speed limit, and the cop smelled marijuana. It sounds like the pothead was more cognizant of reality than some of the posters here. What he should have done (assuming he hadn't been partaking of marijuana recently) is have the drug in his trunk. It's idiotic to have it in the driver's compartment within easy reach, and where it inevitably causes an aroma.


It could've been in the glove compartment because he was on his way home from buying it.

Then why did he have his pipe with it?

How are you going to argue in court that it ISN'T reckless driving?

My argument would be that speeding and reckless driving are different things. If the officer says there was a lot of weaving and swerving, that's one thing. But going fast is not, in and of itself, reckless driving. Not at 74, anyway.

I mean, I don't think that argument would get very far in court, but I believe it.

Like Monty said. You might not win the argument, but the Judge is going to have to suspend 'the real world' in order to convict you of reckless driving for driving 74 when everyone else is driving 74.

It could've been in the glove compartment because he was on his way home from buying it.

Because he offered to smoke a bowl with his dealer, just like any courteous drug buyer

I mean, I don't think that argument would get very far in court, but I believe it.

But that's the thing. People have been claiming that Lincecum should have known his rights better - he could have stonewalled. In the real world, the cop had enough leverage that handing over a small quantity of marijuana, which in Washington state was going to get him a token penalty, was better than pretending that he was in the right - in which case he would have had the cop use his discretionary powers to the maximum extent, which would have had the effect of the car being impounded and searched (after the drug sniffing dog gave probable cause). So Lincecum would have had to fight a much more serious traffic charge, probably would have had at least a serious drug charge, and might even have had a DWI on top of that. Or he could hand over the drugs that the cop knew about, and get a slap on the wrist.

Like Monty said. You might not win the argument, but the Judge is going to have to suspend 'the real world' in order to convict you of reckless driving for driving 74 when everyone else is driving 74.

The cops can't pull over everybody, that doesn't mean that anybody they do pull over should get off. And of course, from talking to friends who are policemen, they would argue that the ones they pull over are the ones who aren't just speeding, but who are doing something else besides. Driving 25% over the speed limit while having less control of the vehicle than the other cars on the road. And after the drugs are found, good luck in fighting the reckless driving and the other charges.

But have fun using a TV law degree to argue with a cop - they love that, especially since people who do so invariably omit something important.

It could've been in the glove compartment because he was on his way home from buying it.

Then why did he have his pipe with it?

He could've been on his way home from buying a used pipe!

He could've also been on his way to a party/friend's/girlfriend's and volunteered to bring the party favors.

He could've also been on his way to a party/friend's/girlfriend's and volunteered to bring the party favors.


In which case, again, he was an idiot for not having it in his trunk. No reason not to, unless it was for the ease of using it in his car - or he was high and forgot to hide it.

Or maybe he was fooled into thinking he was buying harmless tobacco. Yes, that's it!

I think Randy Johnson would listen more to country, myself.

Not really.

The Big Unit is a classic-rock aficionado who likes to collect old vinyl records. Some days, he rises conspicuously above the college crowd inside the Telegraph Avenue record stores in Berkeley, thumbing through the racks.

Link

Or maybe he was fooled into thinking he was buying harmless tobacco. Yes, that's it!

And darnit - it's cost him his favorite oregano pipe. There's nothing as refreshing as a few puffs of oregano to relax him after a long MLB season.

Let this be a lesson to you, Timmy: don't speed while smoking weed. I've known several people who toke while driving on the freeway, but it never made sense to me. I tried it once, and it was ####ing terrifying. Paranoia, a short attention span, slowed reaction time, and heavy machinery are a bad combination.

What's the difference between this and drunk driving? I should also add that driving while extremely tired is just as bad as well, IMO.

What's the difference between this and drunk driving? I should also add that driving while extremely tired is just as bad as well, IMO.

Well, drunk driving is probably not a good idea either.

But I am going to say that people who texts while driving should get the harshest penalties.

If I had to order them from "best" to worst, I'd say tired->high->drunk. While bad, I don't consider driving while tired nearly as dangerous as the latter two.

For texting, it depends on the context. If you're texting while waiting at a red light, that's not at all dangerous, just annoying. If you're texting in stop and go traffic or on the freeway, then I agree with Swedish Chef.

The Big Unit is a classic-rock aficionado who likes to collect old vinyl records. Some days, he rises conspicuously above the college crowd inside the Telegraph Avenue record stores in Berkeley, thumbing through the racks.

One of Johnson's hobbies (at least it used to be) is photography. In his early years in Seattle, he used to love to get press passes, and shoot rock shows. Because of his height, he could get clear shots, and some of his photos were really damn good...

At least they didn't find the two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid

I just found out my accountant is a Dead Head. I wonder what he has in his glove box. . .

a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls

Put a little of each in a zip-lock with a sock (clean, please!) and that's a dance mix!

Stoned drivers that are paranoid are the best ####### drivers on the streets. There comes a time when one gets inured to the paranoia and just sort of cruises relaxfully, they're excellent drivers as well. Now, when you combine born stupid with 10-15 years of smoking weed, you get Austin drivers, the most clueless and timid jerkoffs to ever touch a gas pedal. Three quickie 'messed up while driving' tales:

Sophomore year, going from my just off-campus apartment to Jack in the Crack, baked like Lays. Friend driving up 24th street, light turns red, we stop. Talking about the CD playing, after 30 seconds or so we both realize simultaneously that he stopped when the light turned red, not at the light. We're 100 feet from the light, in the middle of the road. Giggles overwhelm our ability to order at JitB, return home empty-handed to angry mob.

A friend, earlier in the evening (much, I thought), had partaken in Leary's Sparkly Drug. He's okay to drive now, taking us out to his place in Far West. Getting onto a blacktop, median-divided highway, he turns left from the light. As we go, I say "Uh, those cars are coming at us." He says "No way, man." They were. He didn't turn onto the other side.

One evening I partook in a pizza topping, went to a show, screwed around afterwards, so it's a good 6-7 hours later. I jump in the truck to make the 2 mile drive home, for the first time in hours I start catching crazy visuals. Mini freakout followed by solo pep talk. Without incident, until I turn into the road/alley behind our apartments and encounter a truck, like a Tahoe, flipped on its *side* partially blocking the other half of the road. Not a soul around. I decided that was an SEP if I ever saw one.

One of Johnson's hobbies (at least it used to be) is photography. In his early years in Seattle, he used to love to get press passes, and shoot rock shows. Because of his height, he could get clear shots, and some of his photos were really damn good...

"Great! So now the enormous ugly gangly guy in front of me is holding up his camera the whole show!"

What, Mitch Kramer nabbed for smoking weed? The shock. The horror. What I'd like to know is if Wooderson, Slater and Randall "Pink" Floyd were sharing the joint in the car with him, and if they were out smashing mailboxes.

L-I-V-I-N

Burn one him!

I just found out my accountant is a Dead Head.

If he starts sniffing all the time, you're in trouble.

Probable cause requires more than 'smelling'. Lincecum could have fought it if he knew more about the law.

and

(after the drug sniffing dog gave probable cause).


So if a dog smells it, it is probable cause but if a cop smells it, not?


In all seriousness, I don't pretend to know the law that well (and I'm sure it varies state to state) but how is it not probable cause if the cop smells it? If a cop pulls you over and sees a machine gun in the backseat, is that not probable cause to search the car?


From this thread, I'd have to conclude that most of BTF is libertarian and just doesn't know it. Probably too much dope.

Dogs by nature have smelling capabilities something on the order of 1,000 times that of humans. So it's perfectly justifiable for dog smelling to be PC and human smelling not. That said, it is state-constitution specific as to what comes next. Most states say if a cop smelt it, he dealt a search of the passenger compartment. That is why you keep it in the trunk.

As for the machine gun analogy, sight is a known quantity, more or less. Smell is much less so, as a number of studies and reviews of police claims of being able to smell marijuana in various instances have proven those claims to be dubious at best.

Damn libertarian.

Stoned drivers that are paranoid are the best ####### drivers on the streets.

Anybody here seen "Dream with the Fishes"?
Surprisingly decent movie, and possibly the best driving-while-tripping scene ever.

Speaking of #3, why is a one-hitter called a one-hitter when you can almost always get two hits out of it?

Because you aren't pulling hard enough!

Seriously though, why is DC the hardest place in the ####### world to make a connection?

I'm shocked, shocked that Cowboy Popup can't find drugs in DC.

Most states say if a cop smelt it, he dealt a search of the passenger compartment. That is why you keep it in the trunk.

Not that it'll make any difference.
If you follow search & seizure law, you know cops have the awesomest olfactory organs EVAR.
They can smell raw marijuana (which does not smell like burned/burning marijuana) in a car with the windows rolled up.
They can smell it packaged in heat-sealed baggies.
They can smell it in the baggies, when the baggies are in sealed Tupperware containers.

Why, they can smell it when it's not even there:
https://ecf.ksd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2009cr40033-29

EDIT: formatting.

Link: Lincecum pot charge dropped by DA in standard deal http://tumblr.com/xb83w1bq8