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Tuesday, August 18, 2009
Even if he has Pugh!.....................................................................(on his similarity list)
Yesterday I suggested that there are actually some people in uniform who find defensive statistics credible. Today I talked to Brian Bannister, who’s famously passionate about sabermetrics, about them. He really does have an excellent grasp of statistics in general, much more so than your average writer (actual quote: “Baseball is a game of regression to the mean”) and I thought this bit of our conversation might be relevant.
...“I think it’s important to look at all three of the metrics—plus/minus, John Dewan’s plus/minus, UZR and there’s another one. There are three that are the main ones and I think whether you buy into it or not that what they’re doing with Sportvision—what’s the one going in San Francisco?—they just installed it, they have Pitch/FX, it works, its a great system. They’ve been messing with Hit/FX, that’s going to come out soon and I believe Sportvision is what it’s called, but they installed it in San Francisco, so pretty much from now on as soon as they get that established, whether you buy into the stats or not, now it’s going to actually be measured. I mean they’ll measure it from the moment the ball is hit, how much ground you cover and be able to compare you to everyone in the league, so I think that’ll end all debate as to how you are as a fielder. I think for now the lines are still a little blurry. I think they do a good job of going through and analyzing every play, but I think the machine will be able to break it down better once that’s established.”
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Uh, that makes four if you add "another one?" Isn't one basis of sabermetrics the ability to add? Also, was it me and my Aussie english or was that quote hard to read/understand overall?
And the quote wasn't hard to read.
Seconded.
Nice sentence, Professional Writer Marchman.
(oh..wait a minute)
My two cents - I'd love to have him on my team (Red Sox), partly because he's a useful pitcher, and partly because he would give the most meaningful sounds bites in MLB history.
I've heard that the Royals were shopping him before the trade deadline.
I guess they don't believe that his success is sustainable.
Ugh. I loved that trade at the time and think Burgos would have been a good pitcher if he weren't psycho. I still don't know how Bannister has been decent in the AL. He had less-than mediocre stuff and horrible command as a Met.
What the hell kind of run-on sentence is this, Brian? What exactly does "it" refer to in the last clause? Which "stats" are you referring to people "buying into"? Geez, didn't you even have prepared remarks?
Well in my very weak defense I read this
Today I talked to Brian Bannister, who’s famously passionate about sabermetrics, about them.
then the odd bit about plus/minus, Dewans plus/minus and decided to take the piss out of it.
Unfortunately esoteric, treder and soshially got all high flaluten agro about it all and the humour was definitely lost in translation.
Your point about Bannister though is seconded, I reckon he'd be a great asset and it's nice to see a player who's interested in the more detailed stats than the standard stuff.
Good thing Brian is a stathead and thus a virgin, otherwise we'd have to take away his children.
Likewise, the little sideways smiley face I used must have gotten lost in the English to Aussie translation.
If Australia don't pick Stu Clark I will be screaming UP THE POMS as well...
Sorry mate, I buggered it up all 'round, its been a long morning at work.
If Australia don't pick Stu Clark I will be screaming UP THE POMS as well...
Now Phil if they don't pick Clark every one of those selectors should be axed immediately. Also,Phil you should be a little more relaxed these days as you don't have to watch Wakefield down the stretch...
More generally, in re: grammar, Bannister is more than fine. You really wouldn't believe what you get when you transcribe interviews if you haven't done it a lot. If it looks bad that's 100% my fault, as I just posted some working notes rather than cleaning it up.
On a side note, though, this raises an interesting point. Fear of coming off as flummoxed, something people are especially prone to when they're actually thinking out loud about what they're talking about rather than just giving rehearsed answers, is a LOT of why so many guys talk like Nuke LaLoosh. Carlos Quentin is kind of the opposite of Bannister in this—he's also not big on the LaLoosh stuff, but his solution is just to avoid talking as much as possible.
And I know what you mean by the copy editor. Sometimes I not english so good myself.
Just about to say this. In fact, I'd sign him to his next contract, hoping he retires with my team and then get him primed for management.
I guess they don't believe that his success is sustainable.
It's probably not sustainable with that defense behind him.
Are the Ashes still going on?
Funny thing is, Joe Girardi, who has an engineering degree from Northwestern, would never give this much credence to something like defensive stats in an interview.
Last test starts tonight - should be a cracker jack game as England need a result to get back the Ashes - attacking cricket all the way.
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