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If the emphasis is on "kind of," then sure. She's better looking than most Alaskan women her age.
In what respect, Cooper?
I dunno, if she were a character in Seinfeld, her name would probably be "Man Jaw."
Yeah, but he insisted on being photographed that way.
No, she's definitely a MILF.
And really, it's that kind of coalition building that makes America great.
This is our country!
Actually, it's four...
Lipstick, #### face!!!!!
Geraldine Ferraro was pretty hot back in the day.
Maybe her teleprompter broke like this guy's did.
That just means that she already knows how to do dirty, dirty things.
Thats great. I love this stuff. Make fun of ALL of them. At this point, I am all about the laugh. NONE of these people are capable of leading this country through the minefield the next president will face. We may as well laugh while we go down with the ship.
Or it could mean she's had sex only 5 times.
Upon examination, most Alaskan "women" have stubble and an Adam's apple.
"Then they should also issue beauty-queen version cards of Obama, McCain and Biden."
The really funny one would be a baseball card of Bill Richardson.
"...those are the cards I'd like to see."
I'd like a card of McCain telling his wife that he's leaving her because the accident made her ugly and his mistress has much more money.
With all those kids, my biggest concern would be that I forgot to lock the bedroom door.
Giuliani has already posed for his picture.
And making sure that Bristol gets locked in for the night. Oh, too late for that.
I feel Charlie Brown with Lucy holding the football.
I'm not singling you out specifically because of our history, Vlad, it's just that you're the one who typed it.
EDIT: See, I'll even throw Traderdave in there, too.
So am I.
Given the topic, it actually took longer than I expected for things to turn ugly.
William Howard Taft does nothing for you people? Are you all made of stone???
He's probably lost weight over the last 80 years.
I feel Charlie Brown with Lucy holding the football.
consider yourself lucky--it could have been a REAL picture of Madeline Albright
Like your mom.
Joe: Mariel Hemingway.
Peter: Come on. Really?
Cleveland: Not a very good choice.
Quagmire: She's jagged.
Joe: No. I think she's very attractive in a classical kind of way.
Quagmire: Yeah, but you could cut a roast on her face.
Cleveland: I would go with Margaret Thatcher.
All: Margaret Thatcher?
Peter: Why the hell Margaret Thatcher?
Cleveland: Oh, so nobody here thinks power is sexy? Not one of you finds power sexy?
Well, I see that picture of an "Alaskan beauty queen", and I figure best case, it was her turn. [edit]
I'm not singling you out specifically because of our history, Vlad, it's just that you're the one who typed it."
It was a joke about how Alaska has the highest male/female ratio of any state, and that as a result a disproportionate number of the "women" are men in drag. Probably there to work as lumberjacks.
The Alaskan singles scene is apparently pretty tough. Though I guess it could always be worse.
It turned ugly as soon as I clicked on the link.
Who looks better at 50 than 20? Seriously?
Soon to be a GILF.
In some cases what they lose physically (for many, only fractionally) they more than make up for intellectually and emotionally.
Just speaking for myself, Palin is quite pretty. But just as it has so many times before, the bubble burst once she opened her mouth. Cue RBinNYC to verify this phenomenon ....
From Palin's interviews, I doubt she's doing the former.
Primey!
We had this discussion on another board:
Why is it acceptable to discuss a woman using (acronyms for) graphic sexual terms, and to say that you would do "dirty, dirty" things to her, but if someone came on here and started saying "that Obama, he's quite the coon, he could work in my fields any day", the uproar would probably get me banned from the site?
In other words (and I'm sorry if this has already been discussed in one of the other 90,000+ post political threads that pop up every week) - derogatory sexual talk about a woman is acceptable, but derogatory racial talk about a black man is verboten?
Just curious where and why people draw that distinction...
Because wanting to screw a person (woman or man) is not the same thing as hating someone for the color of their skin. I think it's a pretty obvious and basic distinction.
You think that. But I know a lot of women who would argue that a women in a position of power (or potential power, as the case may be) being reduced to a filthy sex object is just as offensive to them as the racial epithets would be to a black man.
It sounds like those women need to put things in perspective. I'm not saying it's right, but we're talking apples and oranges here.
But its not just women in power, its all women we want to screw.
Because it's not acceptable?
Why would someone saying that get you banned from the site?
And I know a lot of women who like being reduced to filthy sex objects, though most would not admit it publicly.
EDIT: I see others beat me to it. To respond to post 60 (in addition to BLB's response in post 62), if people said that a woman should be a sex object rather than a powerful person, that might be different. But saying that one would like to have sex is not precluding her from being elected vice president.
Both cases involve, to an extent, a dehumanization of the other person, albeit in different manners of thinking. Not that stating a desire to copulate with some distant celebrity (I think Sarah Palin counts) not in the room is equivalent to saying the same thing of someone in the room at the time; the latter can potentially create an intimidating atmosphere.
As for me, well, I'm repelled by the idea of sleeping with a religious conservative, as well as having to listen to that accent for more than 15 seconds at a time.
But otherwise, you'd hit that. ;)
I'm trying to be somewhat objective/universal about this. Plus I was sufficiently confused for a significant portion of my life about what exactly I was interested in sexually that I have my tastes in what I think is a good looking female.
She is a pretty good looking woman, especially for her age, with what seems to be a fairly good sense of fashion. I don't think I'm being overly cynical when I posit the notion that these attributes likely had something to do with her selection as McCain's running mate.
Not those three (JFK is dead of course) specifically, but, yeah, sometimes those thoughts do cross my mind. But all that happens in the context of a dominant culture that says that female politicians or celebrities are to be judged on their appearance much more than males in a similar public role.
You don't find the notion of dehumanizing a woman into a sex object as offensive as dehumaizing a black man by targeting him for his race?
Again, this is a male-centric board. I'd like to hear from the women around here, if there are any. We had this discussion at work a couple of days ago, and about 80% of the women involved were deeply offended by all of this MILF talk. Women have fought against the stereotypes of sleeping to the top, getting ahead by giving head, being promoted for being beautiful, etc. for as long as they've been participants in our business society.
It's OK to say that neither one is acceptable - but if that's true, why are we so quick to chime in with the neanderthal grunting when speculating about how Palin is a dirty, dirty girl, but we would be reticent to do the same if someone speculated about how Obama would be the first affirmative action president?
it isn't acceptable per se. those expressing a sexual urge towards palin are tweaking the common idea that she has anything to offer of any substance, so they are reducing her to a sexual play thing. if she were a man, they'd be making dweeb jokes about her (see Dan Quayle). if i found her halfway attractive, i'd probably be expressing a similar sex-play comment privately amongst friends, maybe on the bbtf board maybe not, but as it is, i find her to be more along the lines of an intolerable bible-thumping gun-toting nut. and i say that with all due respect. i was thinking a while back that the choice between mccain and obama wasn't so bad, they both seemed capable and energetic, but mccain really shut off any possibility of my vote with that woman on the ticket. she just gives me the shivers.
So if I thought Obama had nothing to offer of any substance, then it would be OK to berate him because of his race? Because there are a lot of people out there who think he is (to borrow a Texas expression) all hat and no cattle.
if she were a man, they'd be making dweeb jokes about her (see Dan Quayle).
Dweeb jokes:man::airhead jokes:woman. Not the same as MILF jokes.
(and yes, my SAT analogy form squarely makes me a dweeb. Fire away.)
#### 'em.
I think those comments would be ubiquitous regardless of what people thought about her "substance". She's an attractive woman. I like to make comments about attractive women. Don't like it? Don't care.
This should have ended the discussion.
No, on both counts. Making "I'd hit that"-type comments isn't necessarily dehumanizing to the person under discussion, depending on context and intent, and making comments about a person (male or female) as a potential sex object isn't the equivalent of making comments about a person as a racial stereotype.
People have a biological drive to copulate with other people whom they find attractive. That's just the way things are. A specific expression of that drive may or may not be appropriate, but the underlying instinct is perfectly normal (and indeed, fundamental to the existence of humans as a species). The underlying impulse to direct derisive racial mockery at someone in a different group is wrong on a much deeper and more fundamental level: i.e. it's possible to ask a young lady (or gent, if that's your thing) whether she'd like to engage in coitus in a way that produces a positve response, but there's no nice way to call someone a coon, or a spic, or a honky, or a chink, etc.
you won't hear the derogatory racial stuff on bbtf, mostly because there is some racial diversity i suppose, but i imagine there's some of it on other internet forums. i don't have an answer there. the low number of women on board might have something to do with it the prevalence of the sex stuff.
the common misperception i see about civilized discourse is the idea that one cannot harbor any kind of irrational feelings. we all do. the idea is to be judicious in expressing it, and know who your friends are. if i was in a room with my buddies, i know i could say all sorts of stuff about how i would do such and such and so forth with sarah palin (if i found her attractive); but it doesn't mean i would talk like that in front of her family, or even in a room full of strangers (unless i wanted to stake my position and take on an argument). and it doesn't mean i wouldn't vote for her if i found her political views amenable.
most of the regulars on bbtf have reached a comfort level about saying potentially controversial things that speaks well for the site as a welcoming place ... but they can get called out too, which i would hope happens. really, if newbies get on board and don't like certain comments, and say so, they aren't shouted down or tossed, that i can see. if you advocate your position long enough and articulately enough, which you've done so far, it will probably have an effect.
why would anybody fire away at you for being a dweeb? this place is dweeb central, and i should know. :-)
This should have ended the discussion.
Hating someone because of their race, and treating a woman like a sex object, there's no parallelism there? No attempt to deflect from someone's talents (if there are any) by focusing on a physical charactersitic?
(And I don't buy the "woman or man" part of the initial quote. Women do treat men like sex objects at times - and it's no more right than men doing the same to women - but the perceived disparity in power and hundreds of years of discrimination aren't there. It would be equivalent to the discussions where someone claims that blacks are racist against white people. Blacks can be racist against white people - and I'm sure that not a small number of them are - but it doesn't carry the gravitas of the reverse situation because it's not bound up with the history of the last few hundred years.)
a) No.
b) No.
Glad I could help.
Yes, I can see the respect oozing from your post.
I'm hardly a newbie - I've been around since the Primer days, just under a different handle.
And I'm not looking to call anyone out, I was just interested in the opinions here because the discussion has come up twice in the past week in other places that I frequent. Honestly, I think the sexism in the MILF comments is overt and disgusting, and if I'm a little saddened that a woman reaches this high on a ticket for only the second time in history, and men around the country can't stop imagining what a great lay she'd be.
I think both the MILFy comments about Palin and any racial comments about Obama would serve the same purpose - to detract from their talents/qualifications by putting the focus onto something else. Picking on ########### and skin color are probably the single biggest hot button issues for each group, respectively.
Just because we've been conditioned to believe that casting a woman as a dirty little whore is not hate speech, but calling a black man a bad name is hate speech, doesn't mean that distinction is accurate. It just means that it's considered acceptable. Of course, it was also acceptable at one point in large parts of America to make blacks ride at the back of the bus, so the standards of what is acceptable change with the times. There are probably a lot of women out there who would like to see this standard change sooner rather than later.
And how, exactly, did we make the leap from wanting to have sex with a woman to thinking that she's a whore?
an in-depth discussion about Joe Biden's sex appeal.
If God Almighty chose to incarnate as a woman, men would still want to nail Her, as long as She was good-looking. There is no possible amount of power a woman could have that would make men unwilling to consider her as a potential romantic partner. If you think that this is a realistic goal, or even a positive aim, you are badly deluded.
but i do respect her femininity!
As the person in this thread seemingly most qualified to discuss this matter:
Not much to talk about there.
Don't say "romantic partner". Romance has nothing to do with saying someone would do dirty, dirty things to her.
And 100 years ago, at Base Ball Think Factory, I could have posted this:
If God Almighty chose to incarnate as a Negro, Whites would still look down on Him. There is no possible amount of power a Negro could have that would make Whites unwilling to consider him as nothing more than a second-class citizen. If you think that this is a realistic goal, or even a positive aim, thou art badly deluded.
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