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Still, how could you blame Detroit for not wanting to get their hands on Stolmy Pimentel? Opportunities like that just don't come up.
My favorite part of the article.
What's a Pimental?
Anyone want to count the logical fallacies? I suppose that even if you pin that loss squarely on him, he was responsible for 1 of their 77 losses. So technically when he says "in part," I guess he could be correct.
And I'm still waiting.
About 3 pounds.
Because your (**) fantasy world by which owners should "invest" their own money in their business, otherwise they aren't really "competing" with the Steinbrenners is just that -- a fantasy.
The Ilitch example proves the rule. He's run very generous payrolls and had at least two cycles of subsidizing losses with the Tigers (early 90s, mid-late 00s), but no owner over anything but the very short term is going to operate and subsidize a money-losing business. Grow up.
(**) If not "your," then the plenty of other people who prattle on about "investing in the product," and other claptrap that has nothing to do with the real world and real people. They're everywhere on the board.
His dogging on the basepaths had a lot to do with the key loss in Game 163 and his undisciplined drinking had a lot to do with there being a Game 163.
They didn't have him in 2006 and smoked the Yankees and went to the World Series. They're not as good now as they were then and getting Cabrera hasn't moved the needle on the field that much.
They were so good in 2006 because they had a really good rotation, the offense outside Carlos Gullien and Mags wasn't that good, as a lot of the hitters were very streaky or just downright poor.
Cabrera was the teams offense this year, what with mags slumping badly and a lot of defensive specialists in the line-up he is the one tiger in the line-up going forward that is a genuine all-star talent.
If the Tigers trade Cabrera now they would be selling very low, on somebody who is still relatively young at 26.
We don't know if they're selling "very low" until we see what they get. Assuming of course someone's willing to take on that contract and they actually trade him.
I see him as an old 26. Can't run the bases, already moved to an unathletic defensive position, weight and drinking problems. He's a beer league softball type that's easily replaceable. The Marlins have been just fine since he left.
I would assume that even if they don't shop him. Drinking all night before a big game is never a good sign - and that's just the instance where the police were called.
Ummmmmmmm ... no. Their bullpen was mediocre at best. Not a single guy there you really trust, from LOOGY to middle men to 8th inning men to closer.
You're right...I just looked up their 2009 stats. I don't know why I thought they had an excellent bullpen.
They had a bunch of guys who had been very good in the recent past. They had a terrific bullpen in 2006 when they made it to the Series.
So his undisciplined drinking "had a lot to do with" the Tigers losing 77 games? Do you know something the rest of us don't about other games he was drunk/hung over? Also, I don't remember any dogging in that game, at least not any that "had a lot to do with" the loss.
They didn't have him in 2006 and smoked the Yankees and went to the World Series. They're not as good now as they were then and getting Cabrera hasn't moved the needle on the field that much.
The relevant comparison isn't the 2006 team, it's what they would be without him, and that would be one of the worst offenses in MLB.
This is the only one I can see people taking a chance on.
Cabrera is not Illitch's real problem, which is illustrated in [30]. The Tigers have a one year payroll issue, with $100M committed to just ten players. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that all the rumors about how they will address this issue center on trading either relatively young players who represent good values or their one big long-term committment. Straight dumps of Bonderman/Robertson/Ordonez where the Tigers pay half of the salaries would save them as much as they could hope to by moving Granderson, Laird and Jackson. Sure those Tigers aren't worth much in trade, but Ordonez in a contract year at the cost of a B prospect and $9M is probably worth a flyer for some team.
Get it done Theo!
Right now, his comp list has 6 current and 2 future (Junior, Pujols) HoFers on it, but I'll bet he doesn't make it (Strawberry age 29 had 4, but also Jose Canseco). While last year was hardly a disappointment at first glance, he really hasn't developed at all from his age 22 base (K rate is down tho), and these little stories make you wonder.
I'm sure you have heard of the saying, "The bases are loaded".
The Mets have had Emilio Bonifacio, and Jorge Cantu play 3rd base. At 1st base, they had Cantu and Mike Jacobs play. Uh... yeah, sure.
But his age 22 base was that of an MVP-level hitter. How often do players who start off like that actually improve?
*Wins 82 games*
I still think its far more realistic than what rosenthals throwing out there.
Along those same lines is this:
That's not Reggie Jackson, that's Edwin Jackson. And that's from a Rangers blogger.
Pitcher-friendly ballparks only make pitchers SEEM better, dammit!
edit: Also, there's an internet poster who doesn't overvalue his team's prospects. Huzzah?
Is that true Shooty? Couldn't it also make them change their approach, don't nibble, throw strikes, etc. in a way that would actually cause them to improve?
I have a strict no-trade clause and the schools here at BBTF are too good for me to agree to uproot my family.
So you're saying we'd have to guarantee the 2012 option to make it work?
Maybe, but then doesn't it follow that Edwin Jackson will become worse? Maybe the Rangers and Tigers could flip each other McCarthy and Jackson every year though that might frustrate the Rangers after a while.
Anyway, it's very possible that specific pitchers could improve/worsen in real ways with a change in scenery, but this general notion that pitchers "improve" in a pitching park makes my head hurt.
I was thinking more of an extension. I want to feel wanted.
Take that to oprahfeelingfactory.org
I'll have my agent send you a 300 page presentation on why you shouldn't snark a man of my immense talents. Meanwhile, I'm going to do a lot of blow and designer steroids and see how many Salvadoran hookers can sit on me until I have trouble breathing. My estimate is 7 if they do it wrong, and 1 if she does it right...
Another fanboy trade scenario. Even Dayton Moore wouldn't trade for Shooty.
########! I've still got my head #######! It's true that my ass is the more interesting conversationalist, though.
Exactly. A huge amount of Gonzalez' value is his cheap contract, which really doesn't matter for the Sox (unless he's willing to sign an extension immediately).
Actually, of his top 10 comps on bb-ref, all but Conigliaro, Hal Trosky and Cesar Cedeno improved a lot.
Actually, I guess Griffey also didn't really get much better after age 22. Nonetheless, the point is that superstar players in their early 20's are likely to improve, just as average players in their early 20's are.
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