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Thursday, May 01, 2008

TV Barn: Bob Costas: “Buzz realizes that he did a disservice to his own points”

‘Bleep you, #########.’” That’s a hit!”...quickly contacts Blogagotchi.com to see if its free.

But the worst thing you’d find in talk radio the snarkiest thing you’d read in print ... even more virulent forms of it are found on the internet because in most cases there are no standards. Now, coming with it are there many important fresh new voices? Absolutely. Are there places where people like you, who were one of the first ones, and Joe Posnanski, not to name all Kansas City guys, but where you can go to get more expansive or quirkier versions of their thought? Yes. Are there nichier places ... baseball-centric sites filled with detailed statistical analysis or, say, everything you want to know about the Seattle Mariners? That’s great. Nothing wrong with that.

But I think the blogosphere, if you’re a critic of the blogosphere you’re somehow against its democratic virtues. Hey, I spent my whole career talking to cabdrivers, everyday people, I did sports talk radio in St. Louis in the 1970s. Some people are more knowledgeable about aspects of sports than I am. I absolutely respect that. ... But it also opens the door for every anonymous bully and lout to spout.

I was talking to King Kaufman about this. He said, “You know, a lot of this stuff, you can get on sports talk radio, except (on the Internet) you don’t have the bleep button.” And I agreed but added this: If you truly didn’t have a bleep button in talk radio ... you wouldn’t just have the occasional person spewing scurrilous things, you’d have it all the time, more and more ... to the point where it crowded out other voices and brought the whole enterprise down.

Truth be told, on any websites, not just confined to sports, that is what happens. It’s not that this kind of lowbrow stuff is tolerated, it is implictly encouraged because the more of those type posts you get the more it is validated. The popularity of sites is measured by it. Who is going to say, “I don’t want the person who says ‘Bleep you, #########.’” That’s a hit! That’s my single criticism of this. And anyone who interprets that as a rejection of all the upsides of the web is either rather dense or wilfully misinterpreting what I say.

Repoz Posted: May 01, 2008 at 09:02 PM | 15 comment(s)
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   1. buddaley  Posted: May 01, 2008 at 08:48 PM (#2766043)
Sorry, Mr. Costas, but you are being disingenuous. Your effort to disassociate yourself from the rant by claiming that your objection is only to the abuse of the blogs is a meaningless distinction because every honest blogger and commentator knows it. I might as well say that I scream about the 1st amendment protection of the press because of its abuse by the checkout line rags. Gee, isn't that a revelation!

And I will tell you exactly why you are threatened by the blogs. Because they hold you up to a higher standard of analysis and truth telling. You can no longer get away with nonsense or with claiming some special insight because that very day you will be exposed for having little analytical skill and no understanding of the game about which you claim expertise.
   2. Nasty Nate  Posted: May 01, 2008 at 08:53 PM (#2766048)
i read the interview, and I dont think Costas is being disingenuous. I think he genuinely dislikes the tone and rancor of blogs and especially the reader comments.
   3. Robert in Manhattan Beach (nee Redondo)  Posted: May 01, 2008 at 08:53 PM (#2766049)
you wouldn’t just have the occasional person spewing scurrilous things, you’d have it all the time, more and more ... to the point where it crowded out other voices and brought the whole enterprise down.

See: The original Primer. Not that I don't enjoy a good gay Piazza joke.
   4. Nasty Nate  Posted: May 01, 2008 at 08:57 PM (#2766053)
with all the attention on blogs, why doesnt anyone mention messageboards and online forums?
   5. Templeusox has reached his genetic threshold  Posted: May 01, 2008 at 09:05 PM (#2766057)
It's cute watching that little weasel Costas trying to separate his name from Bissinger's. He was clearly the enabler here and fed into the vitriol by asking the moronic comments about blog's comments section.
   6. robinred  Posted: May 01, 2008 at 09:12 PM (#2766063)
#4 (NN)

Last time this came up, someone said that they didn't think Costas really knows what a blog is. What Costas actually talked about last time there was a thread about this sounded more like comment threads to MSM articles than a blog per se.
   7. Nasty Nate  Posted: May 01, 2008 at 09:14 PM (#2766064)
Yeah, from the interview it seems like someone has pointed out some of the distinctions between comments/content/blogs in the interval of time since those first remarks of his. although he still may not be crystal clear.

he is trying to point out that he also is against the vitriol that sometimes occurs on sports talk radio, and is trying to come across as not anti-internet in general. obviously believe him to your own extent.
   8. Crispix Attacks is an antique dinosaur old cripple  Posted: May 01, 2008 at 09:15 PM (#2766065)
It is true that the comment threads on newspaper articles are, without exception, full of blowhards, mental patients, and prejudiced idiots. It must be hard for the writers to realize that THIS is the section of their readership with the strongest opinions on their work.

Really, a lot of those things detract from the article and are worse than nothing.
   9. CW uses it as a stick to beat someone with  Posted: May 01, 2008 at 09:40 PM (#2766089)
Costas makes his living communicating to people; he really should realize that if his message isn't being received clearly by a lot of people, than a potential source of error is in how he is communicating his message, not simply willful misinterpretation.
   10. JMN Is Convinced He Has H1N1 Every Time He Coughs  Posted: May 01, 2008 at 10:05 PM (#2766112)
The difference between talk radio and blogs isn't the bleep button. It's that, because of airwave restrictions, there are only a few talk radio stations. (I'm ignoring internet radio, because I don't think that that's what Costas is talking about.) If the idiocy takes them over, there really is nowhere else to escape to, and intelligent conversation gets drowned out. Blogs don't work that way. If you don't like one blog, find another. There's no reason you ever need to pay attention to the stupid one.
   11. dirk  Posted: May 02, 2008 at 12:33 AM (#2766198)
10 years from now the things said by Buzz and Costas in that segment are going to look very silly.
   12. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory)  Posted: May 02, 2008 at 07:51 AM (#2766265)
next: Costas speaks out against sports discussions in bars: "Too many drunks," he opines
   13. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy  Posted: May 02, 2008 at 08:19 AM (#2766279)
I think he genuinely dislikes the tone and rancor of blogs and especially the reader comments.

There are plenty with bad tone and rancor. Don't read those. I don't. BTF is by far the wildest part of the internet I hang out at. I mostly choose mailing lists where people post under their real name, which generally has a MUCH better level of discourse. I also post on BTF and a respectable financial forum which, as far as these things go, are generally well-behaved.

Bob, find the better places to be.
   14. Hal Chase Headley Lamarr Hoyt Wilhelm (ACE1242)  Posted: May 02, 2008 at 08:30 AM (#2766289)
10 years minutes from now the things said by Buzz and Costas in that segment are going to look very silly.

Fixed.
   15. Bob Dernier Cri  Posted: May 02, 2008 at 08:46 AM (#2766302)
If you truly didn’t have a bleep button in talk radio ... you wouldn’t just have the occasional person spewing scurrilous things, you’d have it all the time, more and more ... to the point where it crowded out other voices and brought the whole enterprise down


This is a valid point, but it seems to me that one of the problems with the Bissinger/Leitch smackdown was that it was on HBO, where part of the titillation is that you can say words that would get bleeped on the radio (or, in fact, nannied on BTF). If Costas wants the excitement of uncensored TV, then he has to live with the flaps created by uncensored guests.
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