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USA Today: Hitting .400 isn’t last crusade for Atlanta’s accomplished Jones

Like telling the world that Mickey Mantle was no slouch!

“The one thing that I wanted to be,” Jones says, “that (Mantle and Murray) weren’t was the all-around guy who hit for average, power, drove in runs, scored runs, was a tough out, on-base percentage, all those things.

“Not that they were any slouches, but from an average standpoint, Mickey hit .298. I don’t know what Murray’s average was (.287), but, you know, the one thing I can say is, from an average standpoint, ‘I got ‘em.’ “

...He is cautious when talking about hitting .400, a feat last accomplished in 1941 by Ted Williams (.406). He says August is the appropriate time to check back on his chances of reaching the milestone. “When I have 500 at-bats,” he says, “when your average doesn’t fluctuate 10-12 points in one game.”

These days, though, that 15-year streak of good baseball is what’s becoming more important to Jones.

“The steroid era could work in my favor,” he says. “I’ve done it the right way. You never heard me involved in steroid talk. I take great pride in my numbers, but I don’t feel anywhere near done.”

Repoz Posted: May 30, 2008 at 08:59 AM | 19 comment(s)
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   1. Cooperstown Schtick Posted: May 30, 2008 at 09:58 AM (#2799496)
“The one thing that I wanted to be,” Jones says, “that (Mantle and Murray) weren’t was the all-around guy who hit for average, power, drove in runs, scored runs, was a tough out, on-base percentage, all those things.


This is actually the one thing that bugs me about Jones. I just get this sense that he's overly concerned with his stats and the image he projects as a player.

I would so much rather hear him say, "The one thing that I wanted to be was part of a championship ballclub, and it's a passion I still feel every year."
   2. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: May 30, 2008 at 10:01 AM (#2799499)
I'm sure if you broadened the topic, he'd say exactly that.
   3. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 30, 2008 at 10:32 AM (#2799527)
For his career, Mantle hit 42 points above the league batting average. To date, presumably with some decline phase to come, Chipper has a batting average 38 points better than the league average. As good a player as Jones(145 OPS+) is, he's not in the same class as Mantle(172 OPS+).
   4. Cooperstown Schtick Posted: May 30, 2008 at 10:39 AM (#2799540)
I'm sure if you broadened the topic, he'd say exactly that.

Maybe if you led him that way. My perception isn't just drawn from this one article, but from a series of behaviors that include comments like this, his unwillingness to play hurt, and some things I've inferred from comments by his teammates.

This isn't drawn from an intensive study. I don't follow him that closely. It's a perception from some distance, and could definitely be unfair. I figured I'd throw it out to see if it would be corroborated or dismissed.
   5. rb's team is inventing new ways to lose! Posted: May 30, 2008 at 10:54 AM (#2799553)
Chipper has been a winner his whole life, ever since he was a child in pierson, and then at bolles. I don't think we need to worry about him chasing stats at the expense of winning.
   6. flournoy Posted: May 30, 2008 at 10:57 AM (#2799557)
his unwillingness to play hurt


He plays hurt all the time. He's almost always hurt. He doesn't play when he's injured such that him playing would negatively affect the team. In other words, he is not stupid.
   7. gef the talking mongoose Posted: May 30, 2008 at 11:12 AM (#2799570)
Chipper has been a winner his whole life, ever since he was a child in pierson,


I prefer this the way I originally read it -- "as a child in prison."

The pathos! Take that, Ron LeFlore!
   8. Charter Member of the Jesus Melendez Fanclub Posted: May 30, 2008 at 11:18 AM (#2799582)
Through 6898 AB, Chipper was batting .307. Through 6894 AB, Mantle was batting .306.

Seems Chipper also overlooked the triple crown and two season of batting .350+.

It's really an odd statement. I mean, he knows Mantle's career average, so it seems Mantle is more to him than just a name from the past, but he somehow considers him less than an "all-around guy" offensively? Except for the strike outs, it's hard to think of a more well-rounded offensive player.
   9. Master of the small sample size Posted: May 30, 2008 at 11:43 AM (#2799611)
Of course, stats don't win ballgames, grittiness wins ballgames.
   10. Robert in Redondo Posted: May 30, 2008 at 12:13 PM (#2799651)
For those that missed it, yesterday the Brewers were so tired of Chipper wearing them out that, with a man on first and one out, Yost decided this was the best course of action:

1) Don't hold Kelly Johnson on and let him steal second (which he did)
2) Intentionally walk Chipper
3) Take your chances with Teixeira

This silliness was rewarded - as it should be - with a three run homer by Teixeira.
   11. DL from MN Posted: May 30, 2008 at 12:23 PM (#2799665)
> it's hard to think of a more well-rounded offensive player <than Mickey Mantle>

I agree. Maybe Mays or Aaron? Go back a generation and you have Cobb and Speaker. The key is that he's only comparing himself to other switch hitters. I don't know why they didn't put Rose and Raines in the chart at the end.
   12. rb's team is inventing new ways to lose! Posted: May 30, 2008 at 12:31 PM (#2799679)
Hey, since i have some braves fans around, was the grand slam that glavine gave up a few days ago the first of his career? I remember that he had never given one up in his previous stint with the braves, but didn't follow him as closely in his time with the mets.
   13. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 30, 2008 at 12:35 PM (#2799685)
"Hitting .400 isn’t last crusade for Atlanta’s accomplished Jones"

I admire Andruw's optimism there, but he might want ot focus on .300 first. Or .200, even.
   14. Robert in Redondo Posted: May 30, 2008 at 12:36 PM (#2799688)
The grand slam ship sailed in 2003 to Jose Vidro while with the Mets. But the one the other day was only his second grand slam allowed.
   15. Jose Can Jussi Jokinen (Justin T) Posted: May 30, 2008 at 12:42 PM (#2799701)
I hate it when I try to use the Play Index and then someone has already answered, but allow me to elaborate.

In the top of the 4th inning on September 19, 2003, with his team already trailing 1-0, on a full count and on the seventh pitch of the at bat, Glavine surrendered a grand slam to left center field off the bat of Jose Vidro which also plated Todd Zeile, Joe Vitiello, and Michael Barrett.
   16. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 30, 2008 at 12:48 PM (#2799711)
Chipper has been a winner his whole life, ever since he was a child in pierson,

I prefer this the way I originally read it -- "as a child in prison."


and I originally read it:

"Chipper has been a whiner his whole life
   17. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: May 30, 2008 at 04:18 PM (#2800060)
Don't leave us hanging, Justin...how far did it go?
   18. MM1f Posted: May 30, 2008 at 05:21 PM (#2800212)
Except for the strike outs, it's hard to think of a more well-rounded offensive player.

I think the strikeouts are part of what Chipper means by the "all-around". Chipper strikes out pretty rarely for a power hitter and his approach at the plate is very well balanced... he'll take a walk, hit for power or contact, and can use the whole field

Chipper isn't saying hes a better hitter than Mantle but I'm sure he grew up idolizing him an wanting to get to that level and is kind've happy that it some way he might actually make better contact than one of the best evers
   19. Walt Davis Posted: May 30, 2008 at 07:18 PM (#2800321)
For those that missed it, yesterday the Brewers were so tired of Chipper wearing them out that, with a man on first and one out, Yost decided this was the best course of action:

1) Don't hold Kelly Johnson on and let him steal second (which he did)
2) Intentionally walk Chipper
3) Take your chances with Teixeira

This silliness was rewarded - as it should be - with a three run homer by Teixeira.


it's the first step that I love. Only Yost would think he needs to open up 1B before intentionally walking Chipper.
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