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Well said, Frank Torre.
Well, his handlers would probably have to.
Fourth. Mets, Braves, Cardinals, Yankees.
Non-story.
the Yankees' "insult" was the length of the contract they offered - it was a 1-year "one last chance" deal. And considering Torre is in his 70s and not getting any better as a manager, there was every reason for the Yankees to not want him hanging around for a long time. Really, from a PR perspective, they were stuck - if they completely cut him loose and didn't offer him a contract they would get skewered for throwing away such a vital member of the last dynasty, blah, blah, blah. Instead they made a token offer that they guessed he would turn down, which he did, and they got skewered for insulting such a dignified, classy man, blah, blah, blah. Whatever.
Yes. And that's why the Yankees gave him the job. They needed to hire a failed mamanger to get them to the World Series.
Actually, there is a safe PR move. You kick him upstairs. The clumsiness is in not at least offering that. (Or did they?)
that would have been savvy, but what are the chances Torre would have accepted that? He wouldn't be GM with Cashman still around - would he settle for being an "adviser"?
So Joe Torre's the reason the Mets weren't a dynamo in early 1980s Grant's Tomb.
Don't offer him some non-sense 1 year deal heavy on the "we don't want you back" and light on the job security.
However, despite that, easy to root for the Dodgers in this series against the Phils as a Met fan, but in the WS it looks like I will be rooting for the AL this year.
But I don't like the Dodgers.
And I don't really care about Casey Blake.
Drat.
All that matters is that you can say you did everything you could, i.e., the highest road was taken.
Given that Alston retired over 30 years ago, the owner who did that has died, and his family has sold the team several years ago, I'm not really sure why that has any bearing.
All that matters is that you can say you did everything you could, i.e., the highest road was taken.
Well, what if you didn't want him upstairs, and you thought it was time for a manangerial change? Is there a classy way to show him the door, or is it inherently classless to move in a different direction?
If you want to go in a different direction - you don't offer him a contract, especially one you expect him to be insulted by and turn down. Choosing to go in another direction is fine - but don't try to present the appearance that Torre was actually wanted back as manager.
The masses decide what "classy" is for themselves, and I'm guessing that that was the club's best option when taking that perspective.
For those who were there, did the Yankees catch a lot of this type of grief when they shitcanned Stengel?
Edit: as for not wanting him upstairs, everyone knows it's just a sinecure, it's just supposed to be "classier", whatever that means.
In a world where meaningless platitudes and "respect" and "insults" are given this much importance, paying attention to additional ######## like what happened to the dodgers 30 years ago makes complete sense.
You know, not every manager can be wildly successful right out of the gate like Sparky Anderson. Most aren't, in fact. Bobby Cox and Tony LaRussa didn't set the world on fire right away either.
You leak to your pet columnists innuendo about him, that he's a lazy skirt-chaser prone to the bottle.
What? Not classy enough?
Is it that outrageous to think the Yankees actually thought "you know, Torre's not a bad choice for manager, but his value is a little less, so we're going to offer him less.
And in terms of it being a one year deal, isn't it possible that they kinda knew that 2008 was a year of transition, and were worried that Torre was going to continue to decline and yet they'd be stuck with him in 2009? Or should the yankees just be forced to pay everyone everything that they want?
Bull****, the Yankees have expectations of their team and it's nothing short of winning the world series. Torre succeeded remarkably and was rewarded handsomely with a staggering salary. He then failed for many years running. That may sound harsh but it's the truth and you don't reward failure. Not winning the world series 7 years running with the most expensive and talented roster in baseball while getting paid twice as much as anyone with a similar job is a huge failure. If he wasn't expecting a one year contract with a pay cut he should have. He was the Yankees manager for a long time and he knew exactly what was expected of him and his team. He had failed over and over and he knew it. If he had "honour and pride" and cared about the team he would've been glad to have a chance to come back at all and redeem himself(nevermind that he still would've been the highest paid manager in baseball by several million.)
That would have made for a rather uncomfortable environment for the new manager. Every 2-game losing streak would prompt calls to bring back the Proven Winnerâ„¢, Future Hall of Famer Joe Torre. Not really an option.
Then the front office should all fire themselves because, if you had to point the finger at one thing, the terrible management of the salary structure and the failure to bring in fresh blood would be the first place to do it.
And I suppose this means Girardi should also be fired, since the team is now worse with him than it was with Torre.
Lord, is this sense of entitlement the Yankee fans have here annoying to the tenth degree.
Or Francona.
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