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Tuesday, April 01, 2008

Vegas Watch: Somebody’s Gonna Be Wrong

I know, I know...it sounds like a lost title from the Penn-Oldham catalog, but it’s buggy good stuff from the VW boys.

Seattle Mariners
Average: 86.2
High: Steve Phillips (ESPN), 92
Low: PECOTA, 75

Do you think Phillips can spell “Pythagorean”? I don’t.

That being said, 75 is really low. The PECOTA projection does come with something of a disclaimer, since it has Ichiro hitting .303/.346/.384. In 4774 career ABs, Suzuki has hit .333/.379/.437; this is his age 34 season, but thats a huge drop, and Ichiro has outperformed his PECOTA pretty much every year.

Still, even if we bump PECOTA’s projection up to 77, that’s a 15 win difference. And this is far from an isolated incident. The four ESPN guys (Stark, Kurkjian, Olney, and Phillips) and the three Yahoo! guys (Henson, Brown, and Passan) have the winning an average of 90 games. Sheehan, Law, and various computer projections predict an average of 79 victories.

They won 88 games last year, while being outscored by 19 runs. The high predictions employ the “88 wins + Bedard” logic. The others are starting with a baseline of 79, and giving them a boost for Bedard but factoring in some regression for their aging lineup. I don’t think it’s particularly hard to figure out who to side with here.

Repoz Posted: April 01, 2008 at 08:55 AM | 4 comment(s)
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   1. Esoteric roots for the two worst teams in baseball Posted: April 01, 2008 at 11:56 AM (#2726289)
Having watched yesterday's game - where the M's struggled to do anything against Kevin Millwood until very late - it's easy to see that their offense is significantly diminished. And that's saying something, since last year's offense was rather spotty too.

However, Bedard was MUCH better than his line might make you think - he was getting squeezed ridiculously by the umpire.
   2. Cowboy Popup Posted: April 01, 2008 at 12:22 PM (#2726326)
I picked the Mariners because everyone here hates them and I think their defense is underrated by the metrics. I'll probably look silly by the end of the season.
   3. villageidiom Posted: April 01, 2008 at 12:40 PM (#2726343)
I predict 76 games, but including a bunch of significant injuries. The human predictors will argue that, nuts, if it weren't for those injuries they'd have been right. The humans babysitting the computer predictors will argue they were right, even though they weren't: the team that will have won 76 will be completely different from the one projected. And we'll have another 5 years of people bashing cold, heartless computers, and other people bashing those people.
   4. John Northey Posted: April 01, 2008 at 01:09 PM (#2726377)
This is much like the old Jeff Bagwell trick. Stats Inc. had published their projections of players before the 91 season and someone noticed that their figures had Bagwell winning the batting title. Traditional media jumped on it and made fun of Stats Inc. While Bagwell didn't win a batting title his 294/387/437 139 OPS+ was enough to quiet the critics and give Stats Inc a big boost. Now we have a clear divide between stat people and traditional on Seattle. If Seattle falls under 500, count one for the number guys. If Seattle is in contention count one for the traditionalists. Should be a fun battle on the sidelines in a division that otherwise looks very boring.
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