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Monday, April 21, 2008

Viva El Birdos: Iboros: rob neyer Q+A: the art of storytelling

As commenting nomar34 almost said..."I love me some (more) Neyer...”

I have one in particular that’s been driving me a little crazy. I attended a game in the mid-1970s where Ted Simmons and Bill Madlock, who was then with the Cubs, got into a brawl --- and the brawl was precipitated by Al Hrabosky going into his Mad Hungarian routine behind the mound. Every time he’d get back on the rubber, Madlock would step out of the box. And then when Madlock would step back in, the Hungarian would go back behind the mound and do his psyche-up routine again. And eventually words were exchanged, and Simmons and Madlock started going at it. I’ve gone through the archive looking for any game in St. Louis in which Hrabosky pitched an inning in which Madlock came to bat, and I can’t find the game. But I was there.

One of the stories I do remember from my youth --- and I should have remembered this one before --- also involved Hrabosky. I remember very vividly being at my grandparents’ house on summer vacation in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, which is Cardinals country as you know, and I have this incredibly vivid memory of Hrabosky coming into the game with the bases loaded and I believe even falling behind the first batter 3 and 0, and then striking out that batter and the next two batters. I would have bet just about anything that this happened. Well I tried to check it out a few years ago when I was working on my Baseball Lineups book, and I could not find anything. These things lodge in our heads, especially when we’re young, and once they’re there --- I don’t know much about how memory works, but my guess is it’s self-reinforcing. Things pop in there, and then the next time it pops in, we think about it again and that reinforces it, and that happens over and over again --- and eventually we know that happened. Even though it didn’t.

Repoz Posted: April 21, 2008 at 01:31 PM | 9 comment(s)
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   1. Run Joe Run (Illonardo) Posted: April 21, 2008 at 02:00 PM (#2753177)
I have the book and have read about 6-8 stories. Thus far it may be the most interesting book Neyer has written. He also seems to have gotten over his italics fetish. To split a bit of a hair here - the stories I have read so far aren't "legends." I think of the called shot as a legend, or Pee Wee putting his arm around Jackie as a ledgend. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't.

The stories Neyer chose thus far (again, I am only part of the way through) - come from bios and other books that most readers would take with a grain of salt. What is odd is the story from Lasorda (praying to get out of a jam) was true. That floored me -

So even if not all of these are annuals of baseball legends - Neyer picks out some real beauts.
   2. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2008 at 02:09 PM (#2753192)
From my post after the Yanks-Rays spring training foofaraw (with visual evidence of the above excerpt):

A great brawl was the 1974 Cubs and Cardinals game in which Bill Madlock took exception to Al Hrabosky's "Mad Hungarian" act and kept stepping out of the box each time Hrabosky would finally step up to the rubber.

The umpire told Madlock to stay in the batter's box, but Madlock kept stepping out.

Finally, the ump ordered Hrabosky to pitch and the pitch would be called an automatic strike if Madlock wasn't in the box. So Hrabosky winds up, and just as he's delivering the pitch Madlock gets into the batter's box, and the pitch is right at his head. Simmons and Madlock exchange words, and then they just go at it, and both benches empty. Just a fantastic brawl because of the escalating tension throughout the at-bat.

What I can't figure out from the photo is why Jose Cardenal seems like he's joining Madlock in the batter's box....

[EDIT: in fact, there appear to be three Cubs within 5 feet of home plate as the pitch is caught by Simmons...]
   3. WillieMays Haze Posted: April 21, 2008 at 02:15 PM (#2753197)
Thus far it may be the most interesting book Neyer has written.

I feel the same way.

I actually had low expectations about the book before picking it up but so far it seems like the best one he's written.
   4. Run Joe Run (Illonardo) Posted: April 21, 2008 at 02:59 PM (#2753230)
I liked his Green Monster book very much and would highly recommend it. Also his book on Baseball Dynasties is a must read for all baseball fan. His book of lineups was good, but I recall that it contained a more than average number of errors/mistakes. The book of blunders was a good read too.
   5. Racer X Posted: April 21, 2008 at 05:33 PM (#2753345)
The Cubs-Cards game with the fight was this one:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1974/B09220SLN1974.htm

There were no ejections, so there's nothing about it in the play-by-play. The Cubs were furious that Simmons wasn't ejected, especially when he got the winning hit in the bottom of the ninth. They got back at the Cards though by losing the last game of the season in Pittsburgh to help the Pirates clinch the division.
   6. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2008 at 06:34 PM (#2753374)
They got back at the Cards though by losing the last game of the season in Pittsburgh to help the Pirates clinch the division.

I remember that game: the Cubs vs. Pirates, in their last game of the season, was televised in St. Louis---an incredible rarity in those days---because of its local implications: if the Cubs won, the Cardinals would be a half-game back with one to play.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PIT/PIT197410020.shtml

The Cubs held a two-run lead going into the bottom of the 9th; a Dave Parker groundout brought the Pirates to within one, but with two outs.

With Rick Reuschel, the starter, still pitching, Bob Robertson pinch-hits and strikes out to apparently end the game, much to the momentary elation of Cardinals fans. But Steve Swisher drops the third strike and throws wildy to first, allowing Manny Sanguillen to score the tying run.

The Pirates would go on to win in the bottom of the 10th, eliminating the Cardinals.

I still couldn't stomach it a couple years later when Steve Swisher, of all people, became a back-up catcher on the Cardinals.

In another irony, my divorced mother returned home with her date and he stayed to watch the end of the game; it turns out he was from Chicago, and I felt at the time that he was a jinx, given the outcome. I'm sure my mother felt the same way years later, when, after being married to him for 15 years, he ran off with a Venezuelan TV newscaster.
   7. Sparkles Peterson Posted: April 21, 2008 at 07:07 PM (#2753389)
WHOO POPLAR BLUFF. My hometown!
   8. baseballing powerhouse (phredbird) Posted: April 21, 2008 at 07:30 PM (#2753400)
salvo, that is one he11uva story. i remember that season too. i was in college, and feeling very lonely. i was depressed for the rest of the year.
   9. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 22, 2008 at 08:34 AM (#2753835)
after being married to him for 15 years, he ran off with a Venezuelan TV newscaster

Don't leave us hanging...which one?
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