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"Yeah, but Ozzie is bat-#### crazier!"
"No way, Piniella is way more bat-#### crazy than Ozzie!"
"Hey, #### you, Ozzie is the bat-#### craziest guy evar!"
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Not really, although thanks to the Superfans sketch on SNL you now hear a lot of folks talking like that because it's become definitive. Before that sketch I never heard anyone talk like that (although I'm sure they existed, they were localized).
There are a lot of transplants in Chicago, so to hear you have find some real Old Chicago folk. It's elusive though. I hear it when I'm down there, and can imitate it, but after I leave I just can't remember exactly how it goes. Superfans is pretty exaggerated, though.
I lived in Chicago 1985-88, and since 1996. I spent a fair amount of time on the South Side working with various community groups. Among those of E. European descent that accent was fairly common before the Superfans. Less so among the many Big 10 alumni on the N. Side.
It's not as extreme as the superfans sketch makes it sound, but it's there--like almost anyplace else, you hear the more prounounced local accent among people who've lived there forever, and whose families have been there for multiple generations.
I'll admit, since I've moved here, I've picked up some fragments of the local accent. (e.g., "Chi-KAHH-go.")
Long vowels (not "Minnesota-long," but long), with the hard "th" pronounced like a "d."
Or just listen to North or Murph on WSCR. The Superfans aren't fit to sniff the marbles in dem guys' mouts.
I think we could infer that based on them being at a Dominos.
Abby what?
Old-time radio man John Madigan once insisted that it should be pronounced "shih KAW go", and he drawled the "aw" just a bit. You don't hear that much, though. Maybe it was a neighborhood thing he carried into adulthood.
Those are fine and IMO not necessarily a Chicago thing, IMO more of an ethnic thing you might hear anywhere from Pittsburgh to Milwaukee...what makes me want to slap someone upside the head is when I hear the ess sound pronounced "sh", e.g., "that'sh" instead of just plain old "that's". Holy moly is that pretentious in it's stubborn attempt at unpretentiosity...or something.
College town, why not? ISU (I screwed up) gets lots of kids from the Chicago area.
Chicago-ese is not even in the same universe as Pittsburghese.
There's some downstate pizza guy that might end up running against Debbie Halveson in the IL-11 Congressional race. The man who won the primary for the GOP dropped out of the race (oops!) leaving the party scrambling. It'll probably be a concrete kingpin the state GOP picks, but their other option is pizza guy.
Bloomington-Normal is the great roadway juncture of central Illinois. It's right on the path between Chicago & Springfield, so 55 goes through it. It's smack dap between Urbana-Champaign & Peoria, so 74 passes in it. And not only is it right along the line on Illinois's Road Without Mercy, Route 51, but it's just north of Decatur on the road, so it's almost like a highway around there.
You can't be a crappy, third-rate Illinois metropolis unless you're nearby Normal.
Yeah, my wife is from Pittsburgh, it's a unicorn of another color for sure (the "Jyne-Iggle" food chain is my favorite), but those little things I mentioned are definitely in the mix.
There's some downstate pizza guy that might end up running against Debbie Halveson in the IL-11 Congressional race.
I have fond memories of Pagliai's (sp?) pizza, which IIRC was in a few college towns in IL including our DeKalb. Is that who's running? Not that I get to vote.
Your sentence construction gave it away.
This implies that Poughkeepsie:NYC::Springfield:Boston. And, no, that's wrong. Poughkeepsie is on the commuter rail line and scarcely an hour drive from NYC. It's way maw Woostah than Springfield. And if you disagree, so help me, I will knock your ### into a flower bed.
/Connecticut
OK, then let's go with Middletown, NY. Does that work?
Is there another Poughkeepsie closer than the one I'm familiar with, because I can't imagine getting from one to the other in "scarcely an hour?" I grew up halfway between the two (and along that same rail line), and it was an hour's drive into the city from my house.
I never realized we had accents.
Um... how else would you pronounce it?
Call it Monticello and we're even.
I grew up halfway between the two (and along that same rail line), and it was an hour's drive into the city from my house.
Maybe because you drive like you're from Dobbs Ferry.
/Hoping this is being read in the hard Stamford accent with which it is intended. You know, for intimidation.
Yikes for me, then. 8-)
Um... how else would you pronounce it?
I say "shih KAH go", as do I think most if not all talking heads.
Normal is near Peoria, but Peoria ain't nowhere near normal.
Call it Monticello and we're even.
I'll vote for Warwick, since that's where I work. (And there's a baseball connection, too: I did my show today on the shores of nearby, and beautiful, Greenwood Lake, where the Babe used to hang out...)
Call it Monticello and we're even.
I'll vote for Warwick, since that's where I work. (And there's a baseball connection, too: I did my show today on the shores of nearby, and beautiful, Greenwood Lake, where the Babe used to hang out...)
Which is what I first thought when I moved from Illinois to North Carolina for college.
And now, back to the NY hijack...
That's how we always pronounced it.
When I met some of the guys from BP they swore they could pick up my accent.
My favorite Chicago dialect anomaly was the 'thr'. The 'th' often became a 'd' but when you put an 'r' after it, it became 'tr'. E.G.:
And that's another thing, I never in my life knew anyone named 'Vinny.' I knew a bunch of 'Vinces' but no 'Vinnies'. I wonder if that's also true in New York (and Hollywood just gets it wrong) or whether this is a Chicago thing.
I believe Vincent Gigante was known as Vinny (as a kid, he was Cenzo or "Chin," I guess).
I've read that Nebraskans are prized as cold-callers because they don't have any discernible accent.
Northeasters had the boston/New York/New Jersey accent.
I will thank you not to lump that ghastly New England accent in with New York and New Jersey.
Sounds like a Chicago thing. I knew a handful of Vinnies growing up in New York.
And he was from Long Island.
What are you taking, McCoy, a horse and buggy? A Molina? It's 2 hours on the start/stop local Harlem/Hudson train, nowhere near that by car. Traffic is usually pretty good until you get to the West Side Highway but you're in the city by then anyhow.
When I went to Vassar, the city kids wanted to know what Utica (where I grew up) was like, and my stock answer was, "Like Poughkeepsie, only not as nice." That usual got me a look that was a combination of pity and horror.
"Oblong woman marries Normal man"
Which reminds me...just how do you define "upstate" and "downstate"? When I was growing up in Syracuse, "downstate" was anything south of the southern New York/northern Pennsylvania line extended eastward, such as Poughkeepsie. OTOH, I know NYC people who deem Peekskill "upstate."
My Polack cousin Dave, who actually lives in NW Indiana, sounds like someone doing a parody of Bill Swirsky.
I pretty much owe my broadcast career to the fact my suburban Detroit "accent" is as flat as a pancake...
And believe me, as a Peekskill-born New Yorker, that irks us to no end.
For a postcard perfect example, check out the musclehead guy on the new Real World season.
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