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Saturday, July 31, 2010

White Sox’s GM certainly has been trying

It’s fine… Berkman wasn’t meant for Chicago.

In the last 24 hours of the non-waiver trade deadline, word has come out that Lance Berkman vetoed a trade to the White Sox and the club was “rejected” in its efforts to land Manny Ramirez, according to a Fox Sports report. That is on top of their so-far failed efforts to land Adam Dunn and Prince Fielder.

The District Attorney Posted: July 31, 2010 at 09:12 PM | 28 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jimmy P Posted: August 01, 2010 at 01:26 AM (#3605279)
I like Kenny as a GM, but I can't see how this deadline is anything but a loss for him.
   2. Tripon Posted: August 01, 2010 at 01:31 AM (#3605281)
The Dodgers reportedly wanted Dayan Viciedo for Manny.
   3. Bitter Calculus Instructor Posted: August 01, 2010 at 04:10 AM (#3605348)
Manny will likely clear waivers and be available in August. He's making way more money than he's worth.
   4. Dan Posted: August 01, 2010 at 04:48 AM (#3605353)
I agree with Dewitty. In this market I don't see anyone taking Manny for just the cost of his contract, or risking it by claiming him.

And the Dodgers don't exactly seem like they're anxiously awaiting his return from the DL. It really wouldn't be a shock to see him end up on the White Sox or Rays within a couple weeks.
   5. Tripon Posted: August 01, 2010 at 06:17 AM (#3605367)
I don't know about that. If you think Manny is healed and ready to hit, paying $5 million or so to be your DH might be worth it. But the Dodgers won't let Manny be claimed on waivers, they are at least in this case willing to pay him for the rest of the season.
   6. Meatwad is on team keefe Posted: August 01, 2010 at 06:20 AM (#3605369)
He seems to have a fetish for dodgers outfielders
   7. Tripon Posted: August 01, 2010 at 06:42 AM (#3605371)
It would have been hilarious if Manny, Andruw Jones, and Juan Pierre was on the same team again. But this time, there would be enough room to start all of them.
   8. Meatwad is on team keefe Posted: August 01, 2010 at 06:51 AM (#3605372)
Its like hendry and his 2nd baseman
   9. Bob from Indiana Posted: August 01, 2010 at 02:32 PM (#3605467)
It is a disgrace that Kenny Williams can't fill the DH position. Edwin Jackson isn't any good either. He had ONE above average year with the Tigers and has been below average to terrible the other 7 years of his MLB career. They would have been much better off keeping Daniel Hudson and picking up Jack Cust when he went on waivers earlier this year. They also could have tried to trade for a blocked AAA guy with promise that their current team does not seem to want to play (e.g. John Bowker/Kila Ka'aihue/Dan Johnson). Anything other than the stinking pile of Andrew Jones and Mark Kotsay.
   10. The District Attorney Posted: August 01, 2010 at 03:36 PM (#3605504)
Certainly, the fact that Berkman turned down a trade to Chicago tells me that at least he thinks he's "meant for New York."

I'd imagine fans of either Sox can't be terribly thrilled about it ;-)
   11. Walt Davis Posted: August 01, 2010 at 09:32 PM (#3605684)
(e.g. John Bowker/Kila Ka'aihue/Dan Johnson)

Kila just got called up (which doesn't mean the Sox couldn't have made a run). Bowker got traded to the Pirates (again the Sox could have made a run). Williams inquiring about Johnson might just finally convince the Rays to call him up. :-)
   12. Petooter: 11'6" 355 lbs of scrap and grit Posted: August 01, 2010 at 10:08 PM (#3605702)
I'd imagine fans of either Sox can't be terribly thrilled about it

Lance Berkman doesn't scare me in the least.

I hear that Jermaine Dye is available.
   13. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: August 02, 2010 at 04:21 PM (#3606203)
It is a disgrace that Kenny Williams can't fill the DH position.


It is. That's a gaping hole, and it doesn't speak well of Kenny that he (1) went with a ridiculous Jones - Kotsay platoon to start the season, which everyone knew was a mistake, and (2) hasn't been able to fix the problem. Whether letting Thome go was his idea or Ozzie's, it was a clear (and massive) error.

Anything other than the stinking pile of Andruw Jones and Mark Kotsay.


I half agree. Andruw Jones would be fine if he only faced lefties (against whom he's hitting .235/.350/.515). It's Kotsay who's the problem (vs. RHP's, he's at .238/.320/.379). (By comparison, Thome is at .273/.423/.614 against righties.)

Edwin Jackson isn't any good either.


He has potential, but why pay $8 million + for a fifth starter (especially one repped by Boras)? Next season they're still going to need a DH, a 3B (unless they plan to use Teahen or Vizquel, which is insanity), a C, and maybe a 1B. How about spending some money on offense, Kenny?

Lance Berkman doesn't scare me in the least.


I think he would've been fine, for the right price. He gets on base, hits righties, hits for a little power, and wouldn't cost an arm and a leg.
   14. Flynn Posted: August 02, 2010 at 04:26 PM (#3606208)
Bowker got traded to the Pirates (again the Sox could have made a run).


He wasn't even really traded as much as he was thrown in at the last second so he could leave the organization. Kenny Williams could have traded an imaginary player for him.
   15. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: August 02, 2010 at 04:30 PM (#3606216)
They also could have tried to trade for a blocked AAA guy with promise that their current team does not seem to want to play (e.g. John Bowker/Kila Ka'aihue/Dan Johnson).


Kenny and Ozzie are NOT going to play a blocked AAA guy at DH during August and September of a pennant race. We can all wish and hope that they reach the point of enlightenment where they would do so, but it's not going to happen.
   16. Don't want the truth; just wanna see some dingers Posted: August 02, 2010 at 04:52 PM (#3606255)
The Dodgers really seem to be missing Manny's bat--over the last 25 games, they've only scored 78 runs. Ethier has the highest SLG on the team (.508), and Scott Podsednik has been the leftfielder for the last week.
   17. Jimmy P Posted: August 02, 2010 at 05:06 PM (#3606276)
Kenny and Ozzie are NOT going to play a blocked AAA guy at DH during August and September of a pennant race. We can all wish and hope that they reach the point of enlightenment where they would do so, but it's not going to happen.

Right, because they have Flowers that they are blocking themselves.

I'm also to the point where Dan Johnson is a AAAA bat.

Whether letting Thome go was his idea or Ozzie's, it was a clear (and massive) error.

It was Ozzie's. He made comments to the fact that the Sox won't have base-cloggers at Sox Fest. And when the season started, Kenny made comments that he didn't do enough to give the Sox offensive options.

It's a shame the Sox are 4th in HR in the AL, and 8th in R. Get on base!

Next season they're still going to need a DH, a 3B (unless they plan to use Teahen or Vizquel, which is insanity), a C, and maybe a 1B.

3B is Teahen's to lose. Kenny gave him a big extension when he was acquired. 1B, I'd assume would be Viciedo's to lose unless a) Konerko takes a discount rate or b) the Sox can get Prince Fielder. C, who knows? You'd think Flowers would get a chance, but I can easily see them dumping him to keep AJ. This is Ozzie and Kenny.
   18. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: August 02, 2010 at 05:11 PM (#3606284)
White Sox’s GM certainly has been trying
Pun intended?
   19. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: August 02, 2010 at 05:23 PM (#3606295)
It was Ozzie's. He made comments to the fact that the Sox won't have base-cloggers at Sox Fest. And when the season started, Kenny made comments that he didn't do enough to give the Sox offensive options.

Have you seen The Club? That show makes it patently clear that Williams wanted to bring Thome back, and Guillen fought him on the issue.

Guillen has said that if he were a GM, he'd put together a lineup of nine scrappy guys who could bunt and play defense, and spend all his money on pitching. He then acknowledged that he'd be a crappy GM.

I'm actually surprised that Lance Berkman was the most significant bat to change hands. I get that the Nats still think they can keep Dunn, but I'm stunned that Luke Scott is still an Oriole.
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: August 02, 2010 at 05:48 PM (#3606324)
It would have been hilarious if Manny, Andruw Jones, and Juan Pierre was on the same team again. But this time, there would be enough room to start all of them.


I see your extensive Sox knowledge knows no color limitations.
   21. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: August 05, 2010 at 07:41 PM (#3609289)
The White Sox are in the hunt for Carlos Delgado, according to this article. Supposedly they have had "extensive conversations" with his agent -- is the end of the Mark Kotsay era approaching?

You can tell Ozzie doesn't like the idea:

"I thought this guy was building houses in Puerto Rico," White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said Thursday. "[GM Ken Williams] hasn't talked to me about it.

"If they did it, he has to go to the minor leagues first. He hasn't played in a couple of years. He has to prove people he still can play and is healthy. Maybe he can help. I don't expect anything to help me right now."
   22. Petooter: 11'6" 355 lbs of scrap and grit Posted: August 05, 2010 at 08:38 PM (#3609316)
"In the hunt"? Really?

I was joking about Dye, but he'd probably be about as good an option.
   23. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: August 05, 2010 at 09:09 PM (#3609329)
I don't know why they'd be interested in any hitter who hasn't played yet this year (Dye or Delgado). Could they really be difference makers?

BTW, White Sox winning percentage over their last 50 games: .740 (37-13).
   24. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:21 AM (#3627030)
Edwin Jackson has been outstanding so far for the White Sox. 0.96 ERA in 4 starts, 34/7 k/bb in 28 IP.

The White Sox know pitching.
   25. JoeC Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:48 AM (#3627043)
Edwin Jackson has been outstanding so far for the White Sox. 0.96 ERA in 4 starts, 34/7 k/bb in 28 IP.

The White Sox know pitching.


I still wake up with cold sweats and the name of Jaime Navarro on my lips, but I guess it's time to recognize it's a new millennium.

And it turns out the Sox didn't give up anything good for Todd Ritchie, after all.
   26. Voros McCracken, Human Shield Posted: August 27, 2010 at 04:16 AM (#3627080)
Have you seen The Club? That show makes it patently clear that Williams wanted to bring Thome back, and Guillen fought him on the issue.


And the fault for that lies with Williams. It's his job to be the parent and say 'no' when he needs to.

Edwin Jackson has been outstanding so far for the White Sox. 0.96 ERA in 4 starts, 34/7 k/bb in 28 IP.

The White Sox know pitching.

Of course Hudson has struggled mightily as well since the trade.
   27. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: August 27, 2010 at 04:41 AM (#3627086)
Of course Hudson has struggled mightily as well since the trade.

Good point.
   28. shattnering his Dominicano G Strings on that Mound Posted: August 27, 2010 at 05:26 AM (#3627096)
It doesn't seem like the Sox can make a run if they don't pick up another bat, though. Kotsay is just killing them.
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