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Wednesday, December 03, 2008

WSJ: Buying Baseball Cards Sight Unseen

As my unopened Rat Patrol packs sit in the closet waiting, just waiting…

Christmas comes for these niche collectors in May 2009, when 26 unopened cases of 1975 Topps Minis go up for sale through Robert Edwards Auctions in Watchung, N.J. The boxes come from the estate of lifelong collector Charlie Conlon, who first found the unusually small cards at a store. In fact, Topps was testing the smaller format around where Mr. Conlon lived in Michigan. Upon discovering this limited run, Mr. Conlon hit the stores and warehouses in his area and bought up what is believed to be hundreds of cases. (Mr. Conlon, who died in August, never revealed the exact number.) Inside each case are 16 boxes of cards. Inside each box are 36 packages that contain 10 cards each. In short, 149,760 cards are up for grabs.

According to Robert Lifson, president of Robert Edward Auctions, Mr. Conlon probably paid less than $1,000 for the 26 cases. No minimum has been set on the items yet, but Mr. Lifson says he expects each case to sell for at least $2,500. If his estimate is accurate, Mr. Conlon’s estate will realize $65,000 on a $1,000 investment.

Repoz Posted: December 03, 2008 at 09:46 AM | 20 comment(s)
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   1. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: December 03, 2008 at 10:26 AM (#3019635)
I always heard about those cards, but never laid eyes on one or heard of anyone who had.
   2. Shooty Is Getting Off Clint's Lawn, Pronto Posted: December 03, 2008 at 10:28 AM (#3019637)
I always heard about those cards, but never laid eyes on one or heard of anyone who had.

I've got a near set of them. They aren't rare. It would be fun to open a box of old cards, but not $2500 fun. Not even for the vintage gum.
   3. Craig Calcaterra Posted: December 03, 2008 at 10:37 AM (#3019644)
When I was a kid I remember seeing a lot of 1975 minis floating around. I lived in Flint, Michigan then, and it hadn't ocurred to me until reading this that they were test marketing them in Michigan or that they were otherwise particularly rare.

Now if you excuse me, I'm off to get a case of that Crystal Yoo-Hoo everyone in my city is drinking these days.
   4. deputydrew Posted: December 03, 2008 at 11:20 AM (#3019686)
1975 minis are not particularly rare. In fact, they are generally available in high grade at rates at or exceeding than the standard issue. While they may have been produced in far smaller quantities, there has been a steady supply of unopened boxes trickling into the marketplace for many years. This auction has the potential to absolutely crater the market for this set, making it an attractive pick up for those interested in collecting and not investing.

FWIW, a group of collectors purchased an entire case about a year ago and split it among themselves. They did it for the fun, not just for the profit. That's generally what happens with vintage unopened product, as the premium placed on the unopened pack typically makes busting the pack a money losing proposition.

Here's a link to the thread discussing the group purchase of the case:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=535599&highlight_key=y&keyword1=1975 &keyword2=mini
   5. Walt Davis Posted: December 03, 2008 at 01:31 PM (#3019860)
As my unopened Rat Patrol packs sit in the closet waiting, just waiting…

Unopened?!! Shame on you Repoz, were you joyless as a child?!

Rat Patrol was my favorite TV show for a year or two. I hadn't thought about those cards in probably close to 40 years but I remember I had some -- I couldn't wait to get them home and rip them open.
   6. Sean Forman Posted: December 03, 2008 at 02:50 PM (#3019969)
If his estimate is accurate, Mr. Conlon’s estate will realize $65,000 on a $1,000 investment.


For a 13% annual rate return which of course doesn't include storage costs or the auction fees.
   7. Repoz Posted: December 03, 2008 at 03:03 PM (#3019985)
were you joyless as a child?!

Guess you didn't have an older brother that would tear the corners off your Hal Reniff cards (not necessarily a bad thing), bend your rabbit ears just before Combat! was coming on, fill up your bowling ball holes with Plastic Wood, put a snipped-off rat's tail in your spaghetti, fill your galoshes with piss and then shove them into the back of the freezer...

So...I got to the point where I would...buy-horde-store-fume for years.
   8. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: December 03, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#3019988)
I've got a near set of them. They aren't rare.

Perhaps, but still, where I live, never saw 'em, only heard about 'em.

I do have a lot of the cards from Topps' 1972 Football's third series. Happened to be out of town and found them at a PDQ store, bought a bunch. They never appeared in any store back home. I gather they're fairly uncommon.
   9. Shooty Is Getting Off Clint's Lawn, Pronto Posted: December 03, 2008 at 03:07 PM (#3019991)
I do have a lot of the cards from Topps' 1972 Football's third series. Happened to be out of town and found them at a PDQ store, bought a bunch. They never appeared in any store back home. I gather they're fairly uncommon.

I did this with 1986 Fleer basketball cards. The Jordan in that set paid for my relocation to New York.
   10. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: December 03, 2008 at 03:58 PM (#3020082)
Heh. I doubt any card I have is worth anything.

I wonder what my '71 Topps coins are worth. [checks Internet] Hmm, not bad. Wouldn't pay for a relo, but I could get some food out of it.
   11. Charlie O Posted: December 03, 2008 at 05:17 PM (#3020169)
I was a big Rat Patrol fan when I was a kid. I haven't seen it in ages. Are the reruns being played anywhere? Awhile back I noticed the guy who played Hauptmann Dietrich was in a soap opera my wife watched regularly. That's as close as I've come.
   12. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 03, 2008 at 05:36 PM (#3020188)
Awhile back I noticed the guy who played Hauptmann Dietrich was in a soap opera my wife watched regularly.

my late mother-in-law watched that same soap, and when it was on at her house many years ago I said "hey, that's the Rat Patrol Guy"--that's what he became known as in our house

Eric Braeden is his real name but "Rat Patrol Guy" sounds better
   13. Repoz Posted: December 03, 2008 at 05:55 PM (#3020206)
"Rat Patrol Guy" just knocked off a movie with George (HOLY ####...HE'S STILL ALIVE!?) Kennedy.
   14. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 03, 2008 at 08:02 PM (#3020275)
Just after Rat Patrol, "Rat Patrol Guy" played the eponymous lead in a not-bad SciFi movie called "Colossus: The Forbin Project"

not great... but not bad
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: December 03, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#3020277)
I had an O.J. rookie card that paid for a trip to Las Vegas a few years back.
   16. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 03, 2008 at 08:14 PM (#3020281)
I had an O.J. rookie card that paid for a trip to Las Vegas a few years back.

that wasn't you in the hotel room was it?

when he tried to get his memorabilia back?
   17. Tom Nawrocki Posted: December 03, 2008 at 08:19 PM (#3020288)
No, of course not, don't be silly.

In a wholly unrelated matter, does anyone want an autographed lobby poster for Capricorn One?
   18. Lassus Posted: December 03, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#3020290)

I did this with 1986 Fleer basketball cards. The Jordan in that set paid for my relocation to New York.


Should have held onto it for the modern times, eh Shooty?

Or is the Honus paying for dinner tomorrow?
   19. Leroy Kincaid Posted: December 03, 2008 at 09:33 PM (#3020336)
Why would Topps test-market baseball cards in Canada?
   20. Roy Hobbs of WIFFLE Ball Posted: December 03, 2008 at 09:45 PM (#3020341)
I bought a couple of unopened Topps '75 mini packs back in the late 80s. Then one night the desire the rip wax packs got the better of me and I opened them. I pulled a Gary Carter rookie and I sold it.
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