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Monday, March 24, 2008

Yahoo!: Passan: Iconic ace Darvish pushes Japan’s boundaries

A sharp look at Yu Darvish...he’s “Fonzie and Elvis” (I guess that means he punches the jukebox whenever Elvis’ “Yoga Is As Yoga Does” comes on)…

“I was born and raised in Japan, so I believe myself 100 percent Japanese,” Darvish says. “My dad is Iranian, but he’s got a lot of Japanese tastes, personality. I was surrounded by Japanese people, so I totally think I’m Japanese.”

Throughout the 1960s and ’70s, Sadaharu Oh and Shigeo Nagashima, teammates with the Yomiuri Giants, were the best players in Japan. They were like Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, Oh the all-time home run champion and best player in Japanese history and Nagashima his brilliant counterpart.

Only Nagashima’s popularity dwarfed Oh’s, largely because he was pure Japanese and Oh had a Chinese father.

“Sometimes, you’re just not a member of the club,” says Bobby Valentine, the former Rangers and Mets manager who is in his sixth season with the Chiba Lotte Marines. “Darvish can never be a full-fledged, card-carrying member. If Sadaharu Oh has never been completely accepted, who could be?”

Repoz Posted: March 24, 2008 at 08:44 AM | 34 comment(s)
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   1. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: March 24, 2008 at 09:47 AM (#2718295)
I find it interesting that he's a Muslim.
   2. Craig K Posted: March 24, 2008 at 12:12 PM (#2718461)
I find it interesting that he's a Muslim.

Which explains pretty well why's he's not exactly busting down the door to play in the MLB.
   3. The Good Face Posted: March 24, 2008 at 12:18 PM (#2718467)
Which explains pretty well why's he's not exactly busting down the door to play in the MLB.


Understandable considering MLB's ongoing wars of genocide against Muslims across the globe.
   4. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: March 24, 2008 at 12:18 PM (#2718468)

Which explains pretty well why's he's not exactly busting down the door to play in the MLB.


Valentine's quote above doesn't make Japan sound like the most open-minded place either.
   5. Shooty Is A One Man Legion Posted: March 24, 2008 at 12:24 PM (#2718475)
Which explains pretty well why's he's not exactly busting down the door to play in the MLB.

I hope this isn't why he wouldn't come here. There have been plenty of high profile muslim athletes in American sports, some who have become revered.
   6. CFiJ Posted: March 24, 2008 at 12:27 PM (#2718479)
Only Nagashima’s popularity dwarfed Oh’s, largely because he was pure Japanese and Oh had a Chinese father.


Not true at all. Sure, Nagashima was more popular than Oh, but his popularity didn't "dwarf" Oh's. They were very much a pair, being teammates on the same dynastic team, both corner infielders (Oh played 1B, Nagashima played 3B). There's a saying, "Kiroku wa Oh, kioku wa Nagashima." "For records, Oh; for memories, Nagashima." Nagashima had a very flamboyant way of playing. He would wiggle his fingers after throwing the ball. He hit a game-winning homerun in the only baseball game the Showa Emperor attended (he's considered the clutchest of Japanese baseball players). Once, when being intentionally walked, he dropped his bat and just held his hands up like he was holding one. On top of all this between the lines, he was a good-looking man's man, and a quirky and funny interview. Since his playing days he's been known not just for his play, but for his Yogi-ish turns of phrase and random use of English.

In contrast to all this, Oh was laid-back, rather stoic, and his play was more than anything else supremely consistent. He won the awards, the home run and batting titles, and set the records. But even he has agreed that he didn't have the raw charisma that Nagashima had.

As a matter of fact, a good many of Japan's national heroes have been of mixed or non-Japanese blood. In the 60s it was said that the three things the people loved were "The Giants, Taiho, and fried eggs." Taiho was the extremely dominant sumo grand champion, half-Japanese and half-Russian. During the same period, the most popular pro wrestler was Rikidozan, an ethnic Korean. The man who's considered the father of Japanese Karate, Mas Oyama, was another ethnic Korean. And of course one of the most popular players on the Giants was Oh himself.
   7. Edmundo, more Jules than Jim Posted: March 24, 2008 at 12:30 PM (#2718482)
There have been plenty of high profile muslim
Ali Reynolds
Sheik and Bake McBride
The Just Pasha Diving Jeter
Paul Mosque-al
   8. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: March 24, 2008 at 12:39 PM (#2718494)
Which explains pretty well why's he's not exactly busting down the door to play in the MLB.

No, I think it's more that he won't be able to smoke in pachinko parlors that's a deal-breaker.

(And that's part of what makes him in interesting Muslim, BTW.)
   9. Vrhovnik Posted: March 24, 2008 at 02:44 PM (#2718640)
There have been plenty of high profile muslim athletes in American sports, some who have become revered.
Jason Bey
The Sultan of Swat
Caliph Abrams
Steve Murad
   10. Edmundo, more Jules than Jim Posted: March 24, 2008 at 02:52 PM (#2718659)
There have been plenty of high profile muslim athletes in American sports, some who have become revered.

Del Korandall

Sultan of Swat
Darn, I was right there but gave up on trying to make an Ali Baba Ruth work.
   11. AROM wants you off his lawn Posted: March 24, 2008 at 03:12 PM (#2718693)
"Kiroku wa Oh, kioku wa Nagashima."

Oh = A-Rod, Nagashima = Jeter?

Nagashima was a true Japanese. Jeter is a true Yankee.
   12. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 24, 2008 at 03:17 PM (#2718708)
"the most popular pro wrestler was Rikidozan, an ethnic Korean"

Yeah, but Riki didn't exactly shout that fact from the rooftops, did he? When he was an up-and-comer, he used the fake name Mitsuhiro Momota to try and seem more Japanese, for example.
   13. Vrhovnik Posted: March 24, 2008 at 03:21 PM (#2718714)
Ottoman Velez
   14. mr. man Posted: March 24, 2008 at 03:55 PM (#2718771)
Al-Khan Boyd
Haq Harrelson
   15. DCW3 * Posted: March 24, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2718783)
When Al Reyes was a teammate of Anthony Reyes's on the Cardinals, his full name would show up in the box scores--"Al Reyes p". I always thought it made it look like he was an Arab.
   16. Edmundo, more Jules than Jim Posted: March 24, 2008 at 04:11 PM (#2718796)
May I not be struck down:
Downtown Allah Brown
   17. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: March 24, 2008 at 04:20 PM (#2718810)
Al Reyes is pronounced the same way as "the President" in some Arab dialects.

I hope Darvish does eventually play baseball in North America because I can't think of any other Muslim baseball players other than Sammy Khalifa and Ahmad Abdul Rahim.
   18. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: March 24, 2008 at 04:20 PM (#2718811)
Roc Raines
   19. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: March 24, 2008 at 04:24 PM (#2718817)
I hope Darvish does eventually play baseball in North America because I can't think of any other Muslim baseball players other than Sammy Khalifa and Ahmad Abdul Rahim.

Was Bill Nahorodny Muslim? Doubt it, but with that name, maybe.
   20. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: March 24, 2008 at 04:25 PM (#2718820)
Jim Qatar (yes, a stretch)
   21. Cabbage Posted: March 24, 2008 at 04:26 PM (#2718821)
I hope Jack Keffiyeh makes an appearance in this thread.
   22. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: March 24, 2008 at 04:31 PM (#2718828)
Joe Lahoud was an Arab baseball player and I am sure there a few others with some Arab blood (isn't Nomar part-Egyptian), but I think Khalifa is the only Muslim baseball player ever to play in the major leagues.

Fun fact:

Al-Qaeda means "The Base" in Arabic. Baseball is Kurat-Al-Qaeda, or Al-Qaeda-ball.
   23. Better Schafer than Sorry Posted: March 24, 2008 at 04:53 PM (#2718850)
what about Tim Salman?
   24. Edmundo, more Jules than Jim Posted: March 24, 2008 at 05:05 PM (#2718852)
Since we are stretching, I like the old Pirates pitcher, Joe G'ibn.
   25. Edmundo, more Jules than Jim Posted: March 24, 2008 at 05:08 PM (#2718855)
Jim Qatar (yes, a stretch)
Is that supposed to be Jim Kaat? Otherwise, I'm blanking.

FWIW, my sister, who teaches English as a second language, is based in Qatar and pronounces it "Cutter".
   26. Vrhovnik Posted: March 24, 2008 at 05:23 PM (#2718860)
I always thought Nahorodny was some sort of Slavic (Czech, Slovak, or Polish) surname.
   27. Vrhovnik Posted: March 24, 2008 at 05:29 PM (#2718861)
Suleiman the Magnificent Torres
   28. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 24, 2008 at 05:47 PM (#2718867)
During the same period, the most popular pro wrestler was Rikidozan, an ethnic Korean.

Yeah, but Riki didn't exactly shout that fact from the rooftops, did he? When he was an up-and-comer, he used the fake name Mitsuhiro Momota to try and seem more Japanese, for example.


Reportedly, Rikidozan's ethnicity wasn't common knowledge in Japan until a top-grossing film biography came out in 2004 or 2005, four decades after his death. The revelation was part of the film's "hook."
   29. ights Posted: March 24, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#2718974)
btw, while it says in the article that his father is a muslim, it says nothing of Yu's religion.
   30. BeanoCook Posted: March 24, 2008 at 08:15 PM (#2718981)
Following a victory last season, Yu Darvish, the winning pitcher for the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters, stood in front of a microphone inside a packed stadium, thanked his teammates and fans for their support, and announced that he had knocked up an actress who he met three months earlier and would marry her to preserve his family’s name.


What is this?
   31. The Mets make Russlan sad Posted: March 24, 2008 at 08:24 PM (#2718986)
btw, while it says in the article that his father is a muslim, it says nothing of Yu's religion.

Having RTA, it sure doesn't seem that Darvish is observant if he is indeed a Muslim. That's not really surprising. Many Iranians who left Iran after the revolution did so because they weren't religious.
   32. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 24, 2008 at 08:24 PM (#2718987)
What is this?


Saeko
   33. scotto Posted: March 24, 2008 at 08:36 PM (#2718994)
Joe Lahoud is a Lebanese descent Maronite Christian.
   34. Guy LeDouche Posted: March 25, 2008 at 01:38 AM (#2719106)
Guy bets Matt Kata came to be very relieved that his dad didn't give him a name that he would have shortened to "Al" in his youth.
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