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Wednesday, November 25, 2009

Yahoo.com: Could Lincecum file for $23 million at arbitration?

Tim Lincecum is due a large raise.

Fortunately, baseball has a system in place for the occasion.

It’s called salary arbitration, and Lincecum has been around just long enough to qualify for the first time. Conveniently for him, it arrives just in time to celebrate his second consecutive Cy Young Award. The system has never processed anyone quite like Lincecum, and now the question it might have to consider about his 2010 salary is this: Is 23 million and one dollars a starting point, an ending point or just some wild concept hatched to ratchet up the final number another hundred grand or two?

Soon, San Francisco Giants owner Bill Neukom and his GM, Brian Sabean, will submit what they believe Lincecum should earn for 2010. The agents at Beverly Hills Sports Council, in this case headed by Rick Thurman, will do the same on Lincecum’s behalf.

You may assume the Giants by then will have researched the largest salaries granted to pitchers who were first-time arbitration eligible. Dontrelle Willis, in 2006, received $4.4 million, the most for a starting pitcher. Three years later, Jonathan Papelbon’s $6.25 million (he settled with the Red Sox before the actual hearing) was the most received by a pitcher of any type who was an arbitration newbie.

That’s as close as the Giants are going to get to measuring Lincecum’s value by the regular standards. People in the business call them “comps.” Which, in this case, possess a minor flaw.

They’re not comparable.

Tripon Posted: November 25, 2009 at 03:51 AM | 13 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   1. joker24 Posted: November 25, 2009 at 05:24 AM (#3396327)
One sentence paragraphs are so not cute.

But if the middle ground is really supposed to be at 50% value, putting in for 20 wouldn't be that unreasonable on a one year deal.

I doubt they'd break the precedent of 6.5 by that much, but who knows.

We'll see.
   2. Walt Davis Posted: November 25, 2009 at 05:39 AM (#3396335)
Well, you buy him out.

But, yeah, hard to imagine him not setting the record for pitchers. My WAG is something like $8/12/16 over his three years if they don't buy him out.
   3. Tripon Posted: November 25, 2009 at 05:55 AM (#3396340)
Timmah's arbitration case isn't better than Ryan Howard was in 2007?
   4. Adam S Posted: November 25, 2009 at 04:58 PM (#3396607)
This is a silly article.

If I was Lincecum's agent, I'd tell the Giants I was filing at $13mn to see what they would offer to settle and then file at $10mn if the Giants won't settle for more. Lincecum doesn't have the minor league credit (as the HoM would put it) that Howard had but on the other hand he is demonstrably more valuable and exceptional.
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: November 25, 2009 at 05:02 PM (#3396611)
Is 23 million and one dollars a starting point, an ending point or just some wild concept hatched to ratchet up the final number another hundred grand or two?


I didnt RTFA, but why is there that 1 dollar included?
   6. ess eff Posted: November 25, 2009 at 05:07 PM (#3396614)
One dollar more than CC, the highest-paid pitcher. And the article acknowledges, kinda, that that figure is a sure loser in arby. EDIT: What the article doesn't acknowledge is that the arb. panel isn't allowed to consider the salary of CC or anyone else who isn't within one year of Lincecum's service time.
   7. Russ Posted: November 25, 2009 at 05:13 PM (#3396619)
What the article doesn't acknowledge is that the arb. panel isn't allowed to consider the salary of CC or anyone else who isn't within one year of Lincecum's service time.


Who is the highest paid person who has Lincecum's service time? That seems like the first place to start.
   8. greenback Posted: November 25, 2009 at 05:20 PM (#3396626)
What the article doesn't acknowledge is that the arb. panel isn't allowed to consider the salary of CC or anyone else who isn't within one year of Lincecum's service time.

This isn't true, at least not for a two-time CYA winner. From the CBA:
The arbitration panel shall, except for a Player with five or more years of Major League service, give particular attention, for comparative salary purposes, to the contracts of Players with Major League service not exceeding one annual service group above the Player’s annual service group. This shall not limit the ability of a Player or his representative, because of special accomplishment, to argue the equal relevance of salaries of Players without regard to service, and the arbitration panel shall give whatever weight to such argument as is deemed appropriate.
   9. Adam S Posted: November 25, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3396628)
What the article doesn't acknowledge is that the arb. panel isn't allowed to consider the salary of CC or anyone else who isn't within one year of Lincecum's service time.


I'm not sure that's right. If I remember the Gagne case correctly (and as TFA also claims), Lincecum can argue that he has "special accomplishments" that mean he can compare himself against other players. Of course, that didn't work out so well for gagne, as the Dodgers were able to argue that being 55/55 in save ops (non all star game division!) did not meet the hurdle. but I think 2 consecutive CYAs is probably a stronger argument to your average arbitrator.

Who is the highest paid person who has Lincecum's service time? That seems like the first place to start.


Ryan Howard. $10mn.


And of course we shouldn't forget that the Giants could have paid Lincecum what they liked this year if Sabean hadn't been itching to find some good press in early 2007 and kept him in the minors a week or so longer. That good press may well cost the Giants $20mn!
   10. Adam S Posted: November 25, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3396630)
Coke to Greenback (always assuming he doesn't have so much gold that the offer is beneath him).
   11. greenback Posted: November 25, 2009 at 05:24 PM (#3396633)
I prefer RC.
   12. NJ is feeling better Posted: November 25, 2009 at 05:33 PM (#3396647)
So, what figures would people submit if they were Lincecum's agent?
   13. ess eff Posted: November 25, 2009 at 05:33 PM (#3396649)
I should be the one buying. Thanks, Greenback.
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