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Second sign: we read them and offer "critiques", even though we know better.
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Just taking a break from credit default swaps and the impending doom they may portend. I understand that the Yanks, Sawx and Mets are going to get the most threads here, but I don't see why we need to drill so deep for Yankee material. There's an article on CNNSI that the Hal has officially taken over the Yankees. Hal, not Hank. Hank has been Fredo-ed. That seems a much more fun topic than low level Yankee roster-bation.
I'm enjoying the Moose thread myself, so I don't see much value to this article here either. The only reason I came here and posted was to wonder if you were reduced to a Mr.-Burns-after-being-shot (Ho mer Simp. Son.) like state.
Reduced? :)
I'm all for Moose threads. I'm still kicking. The excitement over Eric Chavez pronouncing himself imminently healthy has me tingling with excitement.
I have released the hounds, you slack-jawed laggard, and the killer bees and the hounds that shoot killer bees out of their mouths.
As Shooty's mental state deteriorates with almost infinite acceleration, his ability to turn a phrase has reached an all-time high.
He might not be the phraseologist of the year, but he's my most valuable phraseologist.
He might not be the phraseologist of the year, but he's my most valuable phraseologist.
Edmundo, I'd love to take credit for roster-bation, but I've stolen that word from the blogosphere. Still, I'm not too bad!
The funny thing about that article is that two of the five players pictured actually have become Yankees since then.
They had a freaking great pitching staff.
Pretty much every starter, important bullpen guy or position player from that team is still around and really valuable now 5 years later.
Wow, really? What roster are you looking at? Their starting 2B (Luis Castillo), Catcher (I-Rod), LF and CF, (Juans Encarnacion and Pierre) are all part-time players, and lousy ones at that. Their starting RF and SS are both retired at ages 33 and 30, respectively. Lee and Lowell are still reasionably productive, in spite of Lowell's injury, but that's about it. Miguel Cabrera played only half the season that year, but you can have him, too, if you like.
And the starting staff? Only Beckett qualified for the ERA title this year, and he logged just 175 innings with a 4.03 ERA. Redman, Pavano and Dontrelle may be washed up. Penny's a question mark at best for next year, and the only guy from the bullpen worth anything these days is Braden Looper, and maybe Vladimir Nunez, but that's a stretch. Most of those guys were out of the majors within two years, and of the ones that were still around 5 years later, they were almost all struggling with some kind of injury.
So, like, do you just think there was evil voodoo placed on a certain era of the Marlins, or can you actually point to something tangible that they did, that would apply equally to every pitcher they owned, that ensured that none of them would ever be any good again? (I guess given your last post, maybe you think they did whatever it was to their hitters, too.) Something approaching a fact would help here.
I think I've entered stream-of-consciousness mode here. Makes great art, no?
One must suffer to make great art, and Expos fandom is/was the very essence of suffering.
Kim/Song for Floyd.
Rundles/Ohka for Urbina.
Oakland, I suppose, with the Zito/Mulder/Hudson bunch. Anyone else?
I guess my larger point is that the implication up there is that all these problems the ex-Marlins have had is a poor reflection on the organization, whereas I would say that producing pitchers who have been as good at times as Beckett, Willis, Penny, and gang--even if not as consistantly as one hopes--is a compliment.
In the article that sentence links to a SI article by Jeff Pearlman about the Marlins' supposed wealth of young pitching talent, some of which panned out, at least for a while, but most did not. That's true of virtually any (sufficiently large) group of pitchers, of course, but there was a lot of hype about the Marlins' young pitchers at the time.
I'm not sure there was any voodoo involved, but a lot of those guys threw a lot of pitches at a very young age, and it's possible that at least some of their injury/ineffectiveness owes to that fact.
And no, Tuque, I don't remember when Beckett was the best pitcher in baseball. I assume you mean that tongue-in-cheek, since you put the phrase in quotes, but Beckett was never better than perhaps the top 10, in 2007, and otherwise is usually not in the top 40 or so. Staying healthy seems to be the one skill he does not have, like a lot of his former Marlins teammates.
If kevin were still around, this thread would be at about 200 posts by now.
After that, you'll have to explain how overworking the pitchers ruined Luis Castillo's knees and got Juan Encarnacion whacked in the face with a foul ball.
As for the hitters, my initial contention had nothing to do with them. I just responded to someone else's contention that nearly everyone on that team was still productive 5 years later, which clearly is not true. I never said that was all the pitchers' fault.
Perhaps week after next we can get together for some pre-Christmas drinks.
Yeah, it's a little too early for it to be this unpleasantly cold.
Perhaps week after next we can get together for some pre-Christmas drinks.
Sounds good to me.
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