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The Jays easily are in the top 7 markets in baseball (counting the 2 NY's as 2 markets and the 2 LA teams as 2 markets). Mix in the potential for national tv rights that they have exclusive control over (32+ million people) and their revenue potential is amazing. Using Forbes figures from last spring, mixed with the 20% they underestimated baseball revenues and the increase in the Canadian dollar and the Jays easily have over $200 million in revenue for 2008 with the potential for more. Yet somehow they claim they must stick to a $90 million payroll. I find it disgusting and want to see them chase something big but out of all the free agents only A-Rod is a clean fit (if he can still play short - if not you have to trade Glaus to someone out west). Bonds might be a fit, if Stairs becomes a 5th outfielder or Thomas is injured/traded, but A-Rod would fit so nicely and be such an upgrade that it seems a no-brainer.
Sadly, Rogers, who owns the Jays, are known for doing whatever it takes to get big profits and I suspect they have decided that the payroll should be no more than ticket sales plus tv rights (which I'd estimate to be around $90 million total) while using the shared revenues to pay for the minors, draft, and front office (which should total $30-$40 million at most). So my $60 million estimate of profit might be low for them next year. Crazy stuff eh?
In a completely voluntary negotiation they can say "I won't negotiate with you unless you wear a clown suit".
They could demand he bring the manish stripper; whatever they want.
They're not negotiating. They're just letting A-Rod come crawling back to them, begging to be allowed to sign a blank contract and let them fill in the dollars and years. ;-)
Boras always goes for the highest dollar amount. For most free agents, especially for their first contract, that would seem to be the "great deal" you are talking about. For A-Rod, who has more money in the bank than he can spend, that might not be the case. Maybe he wants the highest dollar amount as a sort of respect/self-worth thing. Maybe he wants a championship or better environment or better strippers and the random $20 million really isn't an object to him.
Me neither, there really was little Boras could do.
What the Daily News says is true though. How the heck would the Yankees compete without Arod? They need him. This was bound to happen.
Because that is what his clients want. If ARod or some other players wants something else why wouldn't Boras give it to him?
I dunno, I think I could find a way to spend his money.
Andruw Jones clearly wanted to stay in Atlanta. He had to circumvent Boras to sign that contract.
For A-Rod, maybe he wanted the highest dollar amount at the time he signed the $252 contract. He clearly had second thoughts in Texas.
Boras is human. I don't get why you categorically reject the idea that sometimes his objective might be different from his clients'. The differences might be very rare. But it sometimes does happen.
Because that is what his clients want. If ARod or some other players wants something else why wouldn't Boras give it to him?
I don't know, maybe because Boras gets paid a percentage of the contract, and likes money.
Mikey and Dog are on now saying that Jeter HAS to make one more dollar than A-Rod come contract time...because he makes contact in a 5-game series!!
Alex and Boras in a cab.
Alex: It was a great lunch, Scott. Thanks.
Boras: It's a little puzzling we haven't gotten that offer yet.
Alex: Mr. Cashman called me. We had a little pow-wow.
Boras: A pow-wow? Who told you to have a pow-wow? I didn't tell you to have pow-wow.
Alex: He made an offer. I took it.
Boras: How much?
Alex: No, no, no. There was no money.
Boras: No money? Then what'd we get?
Alex: Check it out. (They see a Marlboro man billboard with Alex on it)
Boras: This is the most public yet of my many humiliations.
seriously!
We can only hope that agents and GMs are taking it seriously. Because until somebody starts doing some actual negotiating on trades and contracts, this is all we're going to get from the media.
well, it was reported in the Paper of Record, not Pravda.
Open questions:
(1) If negotiating with a player is the same as negotiating "with any Player Agent(s)".
(2) Is this waiveable by Alex. Makes sense that it would be as it is a benefit that flows to him, not Scott, but by merely asking the Yankees may have violated the prohibition in any event.
I don't mean to say that it is clearly not allowed under the CBA, only that it requires some analysis. That analysis would probably lead to this being allowed, but it I don't know.
the free agent market has been open for basically 40 hours. What are you expecting?
I guessed Fran Healy
Which player would you rather have?
68.1% Alex Rodriguez
31.9% David Eckstein
(~64,000 votes)
Now we all know what internet polls are worth, but I'm geniunely surprised A-Rod is winning that handily. I would've thought closer to 55-45 than 70-30.
No he didn't have to circumvent Boras. That is just the way Andruw is.
But as Jones expresses, Boras will simply work as the negotiator in any upcoming contract talks. In the end, there will be only one true decision-maker.
"The main thing is that the decision is up to me," Jones said. "It doesn't matter what kind of agent I've got. It doesn't matter who represents me. It could be [Braves general manager John] Schuerholz's best friend or it can be Schuerholz's worst enemy. But I'm the one who has to make the decision."
I'm willing to bet Andruw learned his lesson on that one since the Braves tried to get rid of him before his 10/5 kicked in.
A lot more stories like this one in the MSM.
I'm genuinely surprised people are that stupid. I mean, I knew people were, in general, stupid, but wow, that is something.
It gets the Yankees name in negotiations, and that will only help when talking to other teams.
that to me is far more believable than A Rod showing up in Tampa discussing the final contract of his HOF career over tea and biscuits, and then giving the Yankees all the concessions, and then ... get this .. apologizing ...
no Scotty planted this story.
if that were true, there's no way the Daily News could have gotten away with citing a "highly-placed Yankee source"
Minot point, but that's not the story. That's Lupica's take on the story. Not quite the same thing. I can see Boras planting the story, but I really doubt that he'd plant Lupica's BS.
Unless Boras planted the story with a highly placed Yankee source.
Let me just say, that'd be an AWESOME job, for as long as it lasts. Being paid to drink and nail nubile young coeds? Where do I sign up?
No izvestia in Pravda, and no pravda in Izvestia.
I get the impression that Hank does not know how to keep his mouth shut, and loves to get his name, Hank, in as many headlines as possible, not unlike his dad.
He was the guy that drew the line in the sand, no ..
anyways, have we heard from him yet?
Derek Jeter would be turning over in his grave.
from ESPN:
The New York Post said Hal Steinbrenner was non-committal when asked Tuesday if A-Rod's return was possible.
"Whether something did happen or not, I am not going to comment on that situation," he said, according to the Post.
Is it legal for a team to do that?
Its a shame that George doesn't speak to the media anymore.
That would have been a reporters wet dream. Three Steinbrenners to provide daily quotes. Three. They wouldn't even have to get out of bed. They could just submit the story while under a big goose down blanket.
no wonder Joe Torre ran ...
Wait a minute, who says Boras won't be involved? I say hogwash, he is involved, but he is offering the Yankees a chance to save face. He won't mind doing this, so long as A-Rod's new contract exceeds $300 million and sets a new record.
Who is laughing now?
According to the Post (so now all three big NY papers are running with this):
Over/under on how long Hank can stick to his "no comment" stance?
In Russia, contract signs *you*.
So what you're saying is, it might be illegal for Boras not to be at the negotiating table.
Being high isn't the same thing as being "highly placed".
Amen.
No way. Hank might be almost as much fun to watch some day as his old man.
So then it's NOT illegal to ban Boras, correct?
The question should be, 'Is it illegal for Hank, Hal, Brian, Alex and Scott to fling poo at one another?'
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7446572?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49
MLB is not the government so it wouldn't violate any due process rights. As such it isn't illegal, exactly. It might (might) be in contravention of the CBA.
A beautiful, beautiful image.
They are not refusing to meet with the agent. They are refusing to allow him to be physically present in the same room at the same time they are. Unless you sincerely believe that Boras can't negotiate effectively over the phone or from the next room, then the Yankees can be as pissy as they want to be without violating the CBA.
He'd be laughing all the way to the bank alright.
What if the Yankees said Boras could be in the room as long as he stayed in the closet? Would there be anything wrong with that?
Best Regards
John
There are some who would think that A-Rod would be in there with him.
1: The Yankees will only be in violation if they actually negotiate with AROD while he's technically represented by Boras, without Bora's presnet and without Bora's permission- that's not going to happen.
2: AROD has a designated agent, AROD is also a FA, the Yankees are perfectly free to refuse to meet with Boras. Of course if they do that and AROD doesn't give Boras the heave ho, or Boras doesn't consent to the Yankees meeting his client directly, then there will be no negotiations.
Until people get the answer right, I expect, rather than ignoring the CBA because they prefer a different answer.
A man with a forked tongue can double your pleasure!
Best Regards
John
I think you're the one who's reading things way too fine. This is all about unsourced quotes in a NY tabloid. What's funny is that people here are agonizing over the legality of it in the first place. What's even funnier is that the MLBPA's general counsel would respond to it.
I'm sorry you couldn't see that my tongue was firmly planted in my cheek as I typed my response. I thought the part about "being pissy" would have tipped you off.
EDIT: to reach out, not negotiate.
I think what's funny is that after about post 50 or so, every single time the question was asked it was as a joke and yet people kept responding very seriously. Of course, maybe that was just me.
F that, Betemit goes to first, unless they're actually willing to try Matsui out there, which they clearly aren't.
"After spending time with Cynthia and my family over these last few weeks, it became clear to me that I needed to make an attempt to engage the Yankees regarding my future with the organization.
"Prior to entering into serious negotiations with other clubs, I wanted the opportunity to share my thoughts directly with Yankees' ownership. We know there are other opportunities for us, but Cynthia and I have a foundation with the club that has brought us comfort, stability and happiness."
This just gets weirder and weirder. I have absolutely no clue about what's going on here.
He needs New York in the process.
"After spending time with Cynthia and my family over these last few weeks, it became clear to me that I needed to make an attempt to engage the Yankees regarding my future with the organization.
"Prior to entering into serious negotiations with other clubs, I wanted the opportunity to share my thoughts directly with Yankees' ownership. We know there are other opportunities for us, but Cynthia and I have a foundation with the club that has brought us comfort, stability and happiness."
Looks like reports of a Bronx exodus were greatly exaggerated.
I think Rodriguez also "needs" to leave New York on better terms. I'm not so sure he can unring that bell, though.
F that, Betemit goes to first, unless they're actually willing to try Matsui out there, which they clearly aren't.
I guess, but that seems like a waste of Betemit's talents. For his sake and his wallet's, I hope he goes somewhere else.
One thing that's rarely questioned is that Boras is a sharp guy. I think he's bright enough to realize that he does better if his clients love him than if he squeezes them into a situation they don't want for an extra few dollars.
Boras doesn't care whether A-Rod signs for $275M or $300M except for how it affects his ability to obtain more clients in the future. 25 years from now, the equivalent of Neifi Perez might be making $30M per, and Boras will still be representing players.
Then again, there could be no baseball as we could all be running from mutants and stabbing each other over canned beans during a nuclear winter.
Or maybe they will finally jazz up baseball.
He needs New York in the process.
I think Boras F'd up. He probably promised ARod 300M+, and it just isn't out there.
He needs NY's $$. Because at aprox. 27.5 per for 7-10 years, they are the high bidder.
I could see that as the motivator if it were February. I don't think he would be folding up the tent so quickly.
But, on a related point. Do the Yankees (or any team) have the right to say that they simply won't negotiate with any player represented by Scott Boras or his company? So, when Player A (a Boras client) comes up for free agency, Team B has the right to simply not pursue that player. There's nothing in the CBA that says any team must chase every free agent.
Personally, I think A-Rod/Boras figured out they overplayed their hand and the Yankees are the place they can get the most money. This is just a ploy to get back NY back in the picture and hope for an overbid by someone else. The next rumor will be A-Rod has rejected a 6/180 offer.
Were Boston, the Mets or one of the LA teams really going to give him 10/275?
Did Boras somehow publicly spit in the Yankees faces while outright robbing them of a 21 mill subsidy, repeatedly suggest an outrageously unreasonable salary for his client and somehow STILL get his client an over-market contract from a team he angered so much they can't bear to be in the same room with him?
I think this works only if the true market value is LESS than what Boras snubbed. The Yankees initial offer was effectively 8/231, which is 28.9 M per. If they do 27.5M for 8 years, that's 220. So ARod and the Yanks are basically splitting the cost of the lost $21M. Which seems about fair.
too bad there wasnt some period of time built-in right after the season in which to share those thoughts
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