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Wednesday, January 03, 2007

2007 ZiPS Projections - Seattle Mariners


Name                     P  Age   AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS 
Ichiro Suzuki*           rf  33  .319  .366  .413 156 675 103 215 19  6 11  56  49  69 32  5 
Raul Ibanez*             lf  35  .283  .353  .447 144 561  84 159 31  2 19  90  61 101  2  4 
Richie Sexson            1b  32  .246  .336  .478 142 521  73 128 31  0 30  98  69 148  1  1 
Ben Broussard*           1b  30  .276  .333  .472 139 428  57 118 23  2 19  68  34 105  2  2 
Kenji Johjima            c   31  .286  .336  .435 125 434  50 124 21  1 14  59  22  40  2  1 
Adrian Beltre            3b  28  .275  .333  .446 152 596  85 164 37  1 21  94  48 102  7  3 
Jose Guillen             rf  31  .260  .327  .449 110 408  58 106 21  1 18  65  28  80  1  2 
Jose Vidro#              2b  32  .279  .344  .382 106 387  43 108 22  0  6  40  37  43  0  0 
Eduardo Perez            1b  37  .232  .311  .437  95 254  24  59 13  0 13  32  24  55  0  1 
Jose Lopez               2b  23  .275  .314  .423 144 556  74 153 32  4 14  79  27  67  5  3 
Greg Dobbs*              3b  28  .280  .324  .393 123 407  45 114 18  2  8  51  24  60  8  5 
Jeremy Reed*             cf  26  .262  .335  .393 115 400  59 105 22  3  8  45  41  52 12 10 
Michael Morse            3b  25  .258  .310  .405 101 341  38  88 19  2  9  48  23  67  2  1 
Bryan LaHair*            lf  24  .257  .313  .385 127 455  46 117 19  0 13  63  36 111  1  0 
Hunter Brown             3b  27  .246  .325  .374 115 390  53  96 25  2  7  43  44  82  9  7 
Yuniesky Betancourt*     ss  25  .281  .305  .392 161 581  67 163 27  7  8  52  22  50 12 10 
Adam Jones               cf  21  .243  .292  .398 132 460  56 112 20  3 15  56  29  97 10  6 
Sean Burroughs*          3b  26  .262  .316  .331 106 381  45 100 16  2  2  32  26  50  3  1 
Gookie Dawkins           ss  28  .242  .298  .383  91 277  38  67 16  1  7  27  20  67  6  6 
Michael Wilson#          rf  24  .227  .290  .378 132 458  52 104 22  1 15  58  37 141  3  3 
Wladimir Balentien       rf  22  .214  .281  .397 129 459  52  98 22  1 20  65  42 146  8  4 
Jamie Burke              c   35  .248  .298  .348  90 302  30  75 15  0  5  33  19  44  0  1 
Jeff Clement*            c   23  .241  .297  .344  82 294  21  71 13  1  5  35  18  53  0  1 
Michael Garciaparra      2b  24  .253  .317  .320  87 297  41  75  9  1  3  23  26  58  4  5 
Willie Bloomquist        cf  29  .249  .298  .309  91 233  30  58  9  1  1  18  15  37 11  2 
Jose Morban#             2b  27  .212  .271  .356  77 264  35  56 12  1  8  28  19  96  6  5 
Oswaldo Navarro          ss  22  .226  .294  .302 142 464  39 105 20  0  5  42  42  84  6  6 
Jason Bourgeois#         lf  25  .236  .283  .312 115 407  48  96 18  2  3  31  25  72 13  8 
Tony Torcato*            lf  27  .237  .275  .314 108 325  27  77 14  1  3  33  14  40  2  2 
Yung Chi Chen            2b  23  .232  .271  .307 129 488  60 113 19  3  4  46  24  79 11  5 
Brant Ust                3b  28  .218  .263  .318  98 340  34  74 13  0  7  35  18  95  2  1 
Rey Ordonez              ss  35  .228  .269  .301  82 272  26  62 15  1  1  23  13  27  1  2 
Rene Rivera              c   23  .218  .235  .310  73 239  17  52 13  0  3  19   4  43  1  1 

* - Bats Left
# = Switch-Hitter

Player Spotlight (Beta) - Adam Jones

Name               AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS
Optimistic (15%)  .283  .340  .482 158 562  85 159 33  5 23  91  45 104 17  6
Mean              .243  .292  .398 132 460  56 115 20  3 15  56  29  97 10  6    
Pessimistic (15%) .237  .281  .372 109 379  42  90 17  2 10  39  22  87  6  5 

Top Comps: Ruppert Jones, Bobby Tolan  

Name                     Age    ERA   W   L   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K 
J.J. Putz                 30   2.88   4   2  70   0    75.0   64   24   8   17   80 
George Sherrill*          30   3.40   5   3  61   0    53.0   44   20   5   19   55 
Felix Hernandez           21   3.71  16  10  33  31   199.0  187   82  21   64  175 
Julio Mateo               29   3.97   5   4  50   0    68.0   70   30   9   18   44 
Eric O'Flaherty*          22   4.35   3   3  57   0    91.0  101   44   7   34   53 
Mark Lowe                 24   4.44   3   3  50   2    73.0   71   36   9   35   60 
Jarrod Washburn*          32   4.45   9  10  29  29   172.0  184   85  23   52   98 
Jon Huber                 25   4.55   5   5  66   4    91.0  100   46  11   27   52 
Miguel Batista            36   4.62   9   9  39  27   185.0  194   95  16   77  102 
Jake Woods*               25   4.73   4   5  43   7    99.0  102   52  13   49   67 
Sean Green                28   4.79   3   3  45   0    62.0   64   33   6   31   35 
Ryan Rowland-Smith*       24   4.92   5   7  37  13   119.0  130   65  14   49   74 
Joel Pineiro              28   5.10   8  10  30  25   164.0  185   93  22   56   97 
Horacio Ramirez*          27   5.13   6   9  25  24   142.0  160   81  21   50   59 
Robert Rohrbaugh*         23   5.15   7  10  24  22   138.0  157   79  23   42   76 
Justin Lehr               29   5.16   5   9  44  13   122.0  134   70  19   46   79 
Jaime Cerda*              28   5.21   3   4  48   0    57.0   56   33   8   32   48 
Sean White                26   5.45   4   9  21  19   119.0  140   72  13   50   51 
Josh Kite*                25   5.50   1   1  37   0    36.0   39   22   3   20   21 
Michael Wagner*           22   5.54   1   1  34   0    39.0   48   24   6   14   16 
Renee Cortez              24   5.80   3   5  37   0    59.0   65   38   9   33   39 
Jesse Foppert             26   5.95   2   3  17  15    59.0   61   39   9   42   43 
Cha Seung Baek            27   6.02   5  10  23  21   124.0  148   83  27   43   66 
Justin Huisman            28   6.10   2   4  35   1    62.0   69   42  11   34   43 
Ryan Feierabend*          21   6.21   7  15  35  34   190.0  227  131  40   76  103 
Mike Flannery             27   6.30   2   6  50   0    70.0   79   49  11   43   42 
Yorman Bazardo            22   6.39   5  11  28  28   162.0  204  115  34   58   70 
Cesar Jimenez*            22   6.62   5  12  42  20   136.0  163  100  25   70   61 
Travis Blackley*          24   7.22   5  16  28  27   152.0  187  122  41   74   81 
Cibney Bello              24   8.61   8  10  32  22   137.0  167  131  39  103   81 

* - Throws Left

Player Spotlight (Beta) - King Felix
                    ERA   W   L   G  GS  INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K 
Optimistic (15%)   3.01  20   8  35  34  221  192   74  17   63  204
Mean               3.71  16  10  33  31  199  187   82  21   64  175
Pessimistic (15%)  4.78  10  12  28  26  160  165   85  23   61  134

Top Comps:  Don Drysdale, Larry Dierker

Disclaimer:  ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance.  
Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors - 
many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2007.  
ZiPS is projecting equivalent production - a .240 ZiPS projection may end up 
being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example.  Whether or not a player will play 
is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting 
the future.

Players are noted with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake.  

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.51 ERA and the NL having a 4.37 ERA.
Dan Szymborski Posted: January 03, 2007 at 10:36 AM | 26 comment(s)
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   1. Patrick L. Kennedy Posted: January 03, 2007 at 11:54 AM (#2272975)
Looks like a good rebound year for King Felix. I say that Gookie Dawkins should be allocated a high at bat total so there is an excuse to say his name more.
   2. Better Schafer than Sorry Posted: January 03, 2007 at 12:00 PM (#2272981)
Have I just been looking at a handful of bad teams, or is Zips very pessimistic this year?
   3. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 03, 2007 at 12:06 PM (#2272986)
Have I just been looking at a handful of bad teams, or is Zips very pessimistic this year?

I think the former. ZiPS simply doesn't like 3 of the last 4 teams in alphabetical order (Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Seattle).
   4. The District Attorney Posted: January 03, 2007 at 12:14 PM (#2272997)
ZiPS simply doesn't like 3 of the last 4 teams in alphabetical order (Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Seattle).
Who does?? But are you implying it does like Washington? Well, I'll look forward to it, if only to see how much better Snelling projects than Vidro. 344/382 at DH? Yecch.
   5. frannyzoo Posted: January 03, 2007 at 12:27 PM (#2273010)
Fat, slow and unable to have anyone SLG for close to .500 is no way to go through a baseball season, son. Yet, in another thread, Bavasi opines the lineup will be stronger this year. What a forehanded slam on how putrid it was last year...or Bavasi is just the biggest GM idiot ever (or at least in the running).

The only reason to watch this team in '07 will be to see how fast our GM unloads Putz and King Felix. Rah. Rah.
   6. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 03, 2007 at 12:35 PM (#2273016)
Who does?? But are you implying it does like Washington? Well, I'll look forward to it, if only to see how much better Snelling projects than Vidro. 344/382 at DH? Yecch.

Oh, I mean 3 of the last 4 teams that have been posted in alphabetical order.

Of the teams I've done that haven't been posted yet, ZiPS is generally positive about the Cardinals (except for the lack of rotation depth) is kinda blah on the Devil Rays and Rangers (but likes both bullpens) and while I haven't gotten to the hitters, likes half the Blue Jay pitchers and hates the other half (the Jays have a wacky distribution in which between Frasor at 3.77 and Neal at 4.60 there is only Scott Downs at 4.33).
   7. Shooty Is A One Man Legion Posted: January 03, 2007 at 12:40 PM (#2273020)
Just to get a head start on the Bavasi bashing, how does Snelling look? And hell, Fruto, too?
   8. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 03, 2007 at 12:47 PM (#2273031)
262/338/408 for Snelling in Washington, 4.55 for Fruto.
   9. Shooty Is A One Man Legion Posted: January 03, 2007 at 12:53 PM (#2273037)
262/338/408 for Snelling in Washington, 4.55 for Fruto.

Nothing too outstanding, but obviously better and cheaper than Vidro. Usually after I see what I think is a bad trade, I like to reapproach it a few days later and see if I can see it from the pov of the GM I think made the bad trade. Usually I can sort of see their point. In this case, I'm still dumbfounded. Especially with Broussard's projection.
   10. bibigon Posted: January 03, 2007 at 01:33 PM (#2273085)
Interesting that the differential between Jones' 15th percentile projection and his mean is only 9 points of OBP, and 26 points of SLG, while the differential between the 85th percentile and the mean is 48 points of OBP, and 84 points of SLG.
   11. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 03, 2007 at 02:14 PM (#2273125)
Interesting that the differential between Jones' 15th percentile projection and his mean is only 9 points of OBP, and 26 points of SLG, while the differential between the 85th percentile and the mean is 48 points of OBP, and 84 points of SLG.

Yeah, that surprised me, too - given his age and skillset, ZiPS sees him as pretty much all upside, the most extreme of the players I've done that for.
   12. David Cameron Posted: January 03, 2007 at 02:32 PM (#2273138)
Dan,

Have you thought about posting the raw numbers for runs and hit by pitches so that we could calculate things like projected FIP and LOB%? For instance, on the King Felix pessimistic projection, the rate stats aren't all that different from the mean (per nine innings, it's half a walk, less than half a strikeout, and a third of a home run), but the ERA is a run higher, so it appears that the pessimistic scenario for Felix is that he just sucks at stranding runners again.
   13. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 03, 2007 at 03:45 PM (#2273224)
David, I hadn't thought about it, but I can go back and look up those numbers.

As for the stranding runners, I wouldn't doubt that's a part of it. My model attempts to deal with errors due to misevaluation of ability and errors due to luck seperately.

The optimistic model isn't an 85th percentile projection of ability error with normal luck, it's a model of 65th-70th percentile of ability and 65th-70th percentile of luck (65-70 is just pulling it out of my ass, I don't have the actual numbers in front of me at the moment).

ZiPS doesn't see a whole lot of ability downside of Felix.

This is easiest to explain when looking at the optimistic and pessimistic lines for batters - for RBI, I try to model the variability of number (and quality) of runners on base as well as the variability of the actual ability.

Of course, that's all a beta - I might come to the conclusion that I should take a different approach.
   14. David Cameron Posted: January 03, 2007 at 04:09 PM (#2273257)
It's a different way to do things, certainly. But I'm not sure we want projection systems trying to predict luck, do we? If we assume that luck is person independant and random, theoretically all we should care about is the players ability level and then add in an equal luck variability for all players.
   15. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 03, 2007 at 04:30 PM (#2273288)
Well, I don't project different luck for mean projections, just with optimistic and pessimistic. I think you have to incorporate it here when you're looking at the high and low possibilities for a player in the upcoming season. Take BABIP spike years, for instance - if you don't allow that so-and-so who has a .320 BABIP every year could put up a .340 or a .290 BABIP in a year, your range of possible results is distributed tighter than reality.
   16. Sparkles Peterson Posted: January 03, 2007 at 05:28 PM (#2273364)
The optimistic model isn't an 85th percentile projection of ability error with normal luck, it's a model of 65th-70th percentile of ability and 65th-70th percentile of luck


I'd kind of be interested in seeing his 85th percentile of ability with normal luck. I'd imagine I'm not the only one who would not be at all surprised if he exceeded this optimistic projection.
   17. It's All Voxter Now, Baby Blue Posted: January 03, 2007 at 06:35 PM (#2273438)
Remember when the Mariners were good? Me, too.

That seems like a long time ago now.
   18. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 03, 2007 at 06:41 PM (#2273443)
Isn't a projection of two home runs for Sean Burroughs a bit on the high side?
   19. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: January 03, 2007 at 07:50 PM (#2273507)
It's really too bad. The Mariners are one of those teams that it's nice when they're good.
   20. frannyzoo Posted: January 04, 2007 at 12:48 PM (#2273911)
Speaking of when we were good, and all that...I feel compelled to remind everyone that the Ms traded Carlos Guillen in 2004 to the Tigers for Ramon Santiago and a Juan Gonzalez (no, not that one) who never made it out of the minors. That trade was on January 8, 2004. Bill Bavasi took the GM job in November, 2003.

It's pretty clear Bavasi is a Billy Beane plant inside the Ms organization. There's no other explanation. I suggest we hook electrical cables to Bavasi's shrunken, misshapen testicles and get the truth out, put a hood on his head, have a do a Jesus Christ pose, then kick him out of a moving car along Marginal Way, S.

Just a suggestion.
   21. Shooty Is A One Man Legion Posted: January 04, 2007 at 12:56 PM (#2273917)
It's pretty clear Bavasi is a Billy Beane plant inside the Ms organization.

I think of him as a Bill Stoneman plant. Maybe Beane and Stoneman have agreed to trade division titles and have planted Bavasi to guarantee success. Huh? What? tex-us? What's a tex-us?
   22. Primakov Posted: January 04, 2007 at 02:55 PM (#2274045)
Top Ten Worst Current GM's?

My list:

1) Bavasi
2) Krivsky
3) Sabean
4) Littlefield
5) Hendry
6) Bowden
7) Colletti
8) Purpura
9) Moore
10) Ricciardi

The last three were hard to come up with. Purpura's on there because of his (Drayton's?) insistence on leaving three sieves in the batting order. Moore's in there because of Meche. JP's in there because, well, I couldn't think of a good one beyond him and decided to be overly harsh on the performance of his "prospects".
   23. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: January 04, 2007 at 03:20 PM (#2274070)
We've done this list just recently, but it seems to me that you have to put O'Dowd on this list.

And, not to hi-jack this, but I would rank Colletti much closer to the middle. He seems to alternate between decent trades/signings and really bad ones, but there are many on here that can't even claim that.
   24. It's All Voxter Now, Baby Blue Posted: January 05, 2007 at 07:59 PM (#2275141)
That must be a real death match between Bavasi and Krivsky at the top. I hope so. The sooner Bavasi leaves his job, the better, and I really don't care how it happens.

TOMPs* projects the Mariners thusly this season:

22-140, 132 RS, 2113 RA (think about that park-adjusted for a moment), three bad trades for useless veterans, four injuries to promising prospects, five million fans disgruntled, and a partridge in a pear tree.

*TOMPs (Team Overall Metric Projections) are derived by very carefully reaching up my butt, and pulling things out of it.
   25. Russ Posted: January 08, 2007 at 04:29 PM (#2276438)
No way is Sabean worse than Littlefield. I think you have to use the trick of removing a GM's best year and then looking at what's left. Subtract the Bay trade and Littlefield has essentially assembled the Cleveland Spiders.
   26. bookbook Posted: January 09, 2007 at 02:32 PM (#2276881)
Heck, I'd rather have Bavasi than Littlefield or Krivsky.

My sober 6 list:

Krivsky
Littlefield
Hendry
Sabean
Bavasi
O'Dowd

It's hard to remember that Bavasi hasn't been all destruction and evil. There has been somewhat of a luck factor in the horrific results of the Freddy Garcia trade and the Broussard trade that I don't fully hold against him.
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