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1. MSI Posted: January 09, 2007 at 05:25 PM (#2276840)

Michael Young is looking more and more like "just" a great player, and not a superstar after that career year. His line seems more like 2006 than 2005. Also, I think Gagne can do well too, if he's healthy. Also, with Brandon McCarthy, Milwood and Padilla, they have the semblance of a good rotation. They will improve from the Mccarthy trade,where the White Sox will slightly decline since they unloaded 2 SP candidates. The offence is still pretty good.

2. Frisco Cali Posted: January 09, 2007 at 05:41 PM (#2276850)

It's "offense", you damn Canuck.

(Insert hatemail below)

3. FBI Posted: January 09, 2007 at 05:58 PM (#2276860)

These projections certainly make the case that Wilkerson should be in centerfield and Botts at DH

4. Mike J Posted: January 09, 2007 at 05:58 PM (#2276861)

Rob Tejeda says "ouch".

5. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: January 09, 2007 at 05:59 PM (#2276862)

Not a bad looking team, but am I right in thinking that the defense ain't so good? Lofton in center and Young at short make them fairly weak up the middle, no? Still, they look improved over last year. It wouldn't shock me to see them win the West. If Gagne can really throw, then the bullpen looks to be pretty good, too. Looks like it a could be a fun 3 team race in the west with Bavasi locking himself in his office with the lights off and imagining a complex social hierarchy for his Sea Monkeys while making them dance with a pen light.

6. Toolsy McClutch Posted: January 09, 2007 at 06:54 PM (#2276896)

Wow, Guillermo Quiroz is still only 25. It seems like he was a stud prospect 10 years ago.

7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 09, 2007 at 07:07 PM (#2276909)

What, no Antonio Alfonseca joke about what ZIPS projects for him in the category of "fingers"?

8. Frisco Cali Posted: January 09, 2007 at 07:19 PM (#2276923)

Wow, Guillermo Quiroz is still only 25. It seems like he was a stud prospect 10 years ago

He will have his Chris Coste moment in 8 years.

9. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: January 09, 2007 at 07:30 PM (#2276934)

What do folks think about the possibility of Hank Blalock reversing his career path. He might never hit lefties, but it would be nice to see him going back to tatooing righties.

10. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: January 09, 2007 at 07:33 PM (#2276937)

Quiroz posted excellent opposing SB/CS numbers in (somewhat limited time in) AAA last year.

11. Nobody ##### with DeJesus Posted: January 09, 2007 at 07:50 PM (#2276970)

That's a heckuva rebound for Wilkerson.

12. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: January 09, 2007 at 08:34 PM (#2277042)

I like the additions of the league averages in the pitching section. Can we get a league average OPS or something in the batter section, or a line prorated to X number of AB?

13. tl; dr (Voxter)

Posted: January 09, 2007 at 09:18 PM (#2277106)

with Bavasi locking himself in his office with the lights off and imagining a complex social hierarchy for his Sea Monkeys while making them dance with a pen light.

Bill Bavasi does not have the imagination or brain power to do this. He'll lock himself in his office with Thundercats reruns and a couple of shiny objects, and spend the rest of the season cackling gleefully while Chris Antonetti secretly interviews for his job.

14. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: January 09, 2007 at 10:28 PM (#2277176)

I haven't heard the following mentioned before, but it makes intuitive sense. There have to be some ballplayers who juice through college, the minors, and their first few years in the majors, get the big contract, and go off the stuff permanently. Whose careers would this explain?

15. Robinson Cano Plate Like Home Posted: January 09, 2007 at 10:44 PM (#2277193)

How about a line for replacement-level?

16. Frisco Cali Posted: January 10, 2007 at 12:01 AM (#2277246)

Sean Burroughs started juicing in 4th grade.

17. Bob Dernier Cri

Posted: January 10, 2007 at 12:16 AM (#2277255)

the possibility of Hank Blalock reversing his career path. He might never hit lefties, but it would be nice to see him going back to tatooing righties

Unfortunately, the guy he hits best is Eric Gagne.

I am for once quietly optimistic about the Rangers. For the past few years I have thought .500 was well within their sights. Now I think a playoff spot is well within them. Somebody shake me before this optimism hardens and embitters me.

18. Teheran's Uranium Enriched Missiles Posted: January 10, 2007 at 12:51 AM (#2277278)

Rangers have had a good bullpen for the last 3 yrs I think. That Tex projection is looking awesome. They need to get lucky with starting pitching to get over the hump me thinks

19. NTNgod Posted: January 10, 2007 at 12:59 AM (#2277285)

That Nelson Cruz projection is interesting from the sense it has him striking out less in the majors than he did in AAA.

It'll be interesting to see how things pan out if he gets everyday PT.

When Cruz was hitting well at Nashville, and people were asking why Cruz wasn't brought up early last year, the word that would leak in the papers is that the Brewers were concerned his strikeout rate in the minors was too high, and he would have trouble making enough contact to be productive.

20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 10, 2007 at 01:07 AM (#2277293)

Rangers fans, what do you think of Nate Gold? Does he have a future or should we take his 2006 numbers into little account due to his age?

21. Dan Szymborski

Posted: January 10, 2007 at 05:52 AM (#2277442)

OK, I updated with league-average for park for position players. What do you guys think - is this a good addition to the report or does it just clutter things?

22. William K. Posted: January 10, 2007 at 06:08 AM (#2277449)

OK, I updated with league-average for park for position players. What do you guys think - is this a good addition to the report or does it just clutter things?

It might help if you moved the position info for the average into the same column as for the players. Reduces the need to look left and then back right. Something like...

Name P Age AVG OBP SLG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS
Mark Teixeira# 1b 27 .287 .373 .541 157 614 105 176 40 1 38 130 81 122 3 0
AVERAGE ----------------1B/DH--- .283 .361 .494 ------------------------------------------
AVERAGE -----------------LF----- .282 .354 .469 ------------------------------------------
Mike Young ss 30 .307 .353 .461 160 685 102 210 44 4 18 101 51 96 7 2

23. William K. Posted: January 10, 2007 at 06:12 AM (#2277451)

Ooops, guess the cut and paste didn't work but I think you can picture what I mean

24. guru4u Posted: January 10, 2007 at 02:29 PM (#2277540)

So, what does everyone think Gagne's chances are of getting those numbers (read as - what are his chances of staying healthy)? It's a perplexing question, because on one hand, he's been injured the last two years - and despite looking great in spring training, he basically did not pitch last year. On the other hand, Texas did pay him some pretty good $$, so they must be satisfied in thinking he'll stay healthy. There's no doubt Gagne can reach the projections if he does in fact stay healthy, but what are the odds?

25. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: January 10, 2007 at 02:56 PM (#2277565)

Rangers fans, what do you think of Nate Gold?

He played his first full season of AA at age 26 after spending all or parts of 4 years in A ball. If nothing else, he had the best individual season in the long and glorious history of the Rough Riders last year.

26. Mister High Standards Posted: January 10, 2007 at 03:10 PM (#2277578)

That offense does not look good at all.

27. 8ball Posted: January 10, 2007 at 03:56 PM (#2277613)

OK, I updated with league-average for park for position players. What do you guys think - is this a good addition to the report or does it just clutter things?

I like it.

28. Teheran's Uranium Enriched Missiles Posted: January 10, 2007 at 04:03 PM (#2277620)

OK, I updated with league-average for park for position players. What do you guys think - is this a good addition to the report or does it just clutter things?

I like it except that things arent lined up right now. AVG SS line is next to Kinsler rather than Michael Young..

29. El Hijo del Ron Santo (Alan Keiper) Posted: January 10, 2007 at 04:58 PM (#2277658)

How about a line for replacement-level?

Ten fingers, obviously.

30. greenback

Posted: January 10, 2007 at 05:51 PM (#2277707)

OK, I updated with league-average for park for position players. What do you guys think - is this a good addition to the report or does it just clutter things?

It's great information. I'd suggest putting all of the position averages at the bottom of the hitters.

31. Athletic Supporter leads the nation in drifters Posted: January 11, 2007 at 11:06 AM (#2278306)

Why is Wilkerson's line below the "Average 3B" line despite having higher OBP and SLG? Is 5/4 SB/CS (or projected GIDP totals, or whatever) really that bad?

32. Dan Szymborski

Posted: January 11, 2007 at 01:26 PM (#2278343)

Why is Wilkerson's line below the "Average 3B" line despite having higher OBP and SLG? Is 5/4 SB/CS (or projected GIDP totals, or whatever) really that bad?

I assume something like this - DMB does the RC/27 calculations, I just reprint the ranked report.

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