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Tuesday, October 16, 2007

2008 ZiPS Projections - San Diego Padres

ZiPS likes the Padres a tad more than the Giants. I don't think they even make tads that big.

As far as ZiPS sees it, the biggest challenge the Padres will face is making sure Kouzmanoff and Headley are both in the lineup and figuring out what to do in centerfield, if they are in fact not going to make a run at signing Mike Cameron. Aaron Rowand would be a great fit, but I don't know how expensive he'll be in a very weak free agent market. Not much else to say - from eyeballing, I think ZiPS is predicting San Diego to be the best team in the NL, but I won't know for sure until I run the Mets projections.


Name                     P  Age   AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS 
Adrian Gonzalez*         1b  26  .284  .351  .511 153 585  93 166 39  2 30  89  59 116  0  0 
Kevin Kouzmanoff         3b  26  .289  .345  .492 124 419  50 121 27  2 18  65  32  74  1  1 
Morgan Ensberg           3b  32  .243  .370  .446 128 395  60  96 18  1 20  59  76 105  1  3 
Brian Giles*             rf  37  .268  .375  .398 135 507  73 136 29  2 11  60  83  61  5  3
AVERAGE 1B ------------- 1b ---- .267  .347  .444 ------------------------------------------ 
Brian Myrow*             1b  31  .269  .360  .418 113 323  42  87 20  2  8  42  45  88  1  1 
Josh Bard#               c   30  .281  .366  .401 104 317  34  89 21  1  5  42  43  62  0  1 
Chase Headley#           3b  24  .264  .353  .410 136 466  52 123 28  2 12  52  58 125  2  2 
Hiram Bocachica          rf  32  .247  .349  .421  78 259  29  64 13  1 10  34  35  54  8  4 
Milton Bradley#          rf  30  .261  .348  .407  81 295  40  77 11  1 10  35  37  62  6  2
AVERAGE LF ------------- lf ---- .266  .339  .426 ------------------------------------------
AVERAGE RF ------------- rf ---- .265  .336  .427 ------------------------------------------
Mike Cameron             cf  35  .249  .334  .424 125 481  73 120 26  5 16  61  56 131 17  5 
Termel Sledge*           lf  31  .248  .333  .429 120 326  35  81 13  2 14  45  40  80  2  2 
AVERAGE 3B ------------- 3b ---- .263  .333  .423 ------------------------------------------
Kyle Blanks              1b  21  .255  .318  .419 109 384  44  98 22  1 13  57  24 116  4  1
AVERAGE CF ------------- cf ---- .261  .326  .402 ------------------------------------------ 
Khalil Greene            ss  28  .249  .300  .442 139 523  73 130 37  2 20  77  36 111  5  0
AVERAGE 2B ------------- 2b ---- .265  .327  .389 ------------------------------------------ 
Matt Antonelli           2b  23  .254  .337  .376 114 425  65 108 16  3 10  42  49  89 13  6 
Scott Hairston           lf  28  .243  .317  .405 100 304  35  74 14  1 11  33  31  72  1  0 
Chad Huffman             lf  23  .252  .331  .380 107 361  42  91 14  1 10  52  33  90  0  1 
Paul McAnulty*           lf  27  .255  .323  .391 109 361  38  92 21  2  8  42  35  81  1  1 
David Freese             3b  25  .250  .324  .381 117 420  54 105 21  2 10  58  36 117  3  1 
AVERAGE SS ------------- ss ---- .263  .319  .384 ------------------------------------------
Rob Mackowiak*           lf  32  .256  .332  .354 102 285  32  73 11  1  5  30  28  78  4  1 
Michael Barrett          c   31  .254  .313  .385  99 335  32  85 18  1  8  36  27  50  1  1 
AVERAGE C -------------- c ----- .250  .312  .379 ------------------------------------------  
Jason Lane               rf  31  .230  .304  .402 127 391  46  90 20  1 15  56  38  88  2  2 
Marcus Giles             2b  30  .246  .327  .356 133 505  73 124 28  2  8  47  57 100  9  3 
Royce Huffman            1b  31  .242  .329  .339 105 351  34  85 20  1  4  36  39  72  2  1 
Luis Rodriguez#          3b  28  .244  .321  .344  86 209  24  51 10  1  3  19  23  23  0  1 
Craig Stansberry         2b  26  .225  .309  .355 131 445  54 100 22  3 10  48  50 115  8  6 
Colt Morton              c   26  .220  .295  .371  81 259  24  57 15  0  8  28  24  86  0  1 
Nicholas Hundley         c   24  .222  .281  .376 101 356  27  79 19  0 12  48  27  85  0  1 
Drew Macias*             cf  25  .233  .308  .336 120 390  38  91 16  3  6  37  39  86  4  7 
Will Venable*            rf  25  .245  .296  .327 124 444  46 109 16  1  6  49  27  84  9  3 
Geoff Blum#              3b  35  .233  .298  .329  92 249  24  58 13  1  3  22  22  42  0  1 
Vince Sinisi*            rf  26  .236  .289  .326 110 433  42 102 22  1  5  38  31  79  4  4 
Oscar Robles*            3b  32  .239  .302  .295  88 251  23  60  9  1  1  17  22  26  0  3
Yordany Ramirez          cf  24  .238  .266  .324  94 324  36  77 14  1  4  35  10  71 14  7    
Luis Cruz                ss  24  .212  .248  .310 111 387  31  82 18  1  6  30  17  51  2  2 
Cedric Hunter*           cf  20  .221  .265  .278 116 403  28  89 11  0  4  34  23  76  4  6 

* - Bats Left
# = Switch-Hitter

Name               CThr 1b 2b 3b ss lf cf rf 
Gonzalez*               Av                   
Kouzmanoff              Av    Av             
Ensberg                 Av    Vg             
Giles*                                    Av 
Myrow*                  Fr                   
Bard#              Pr                        
Headley#                      Av             
Bocachica                           Av Pr Av 
Bradley#                            Vg Av Vg 
Cameron                                Av    
Sledge*                             Av    Av 
Blanks                  Fr                   
Greene                           Vg          
Antonelli                  Fr Av             
Hairston                            Av       
Huffman                             Av       
McAnulty*               Av    Fr    Pr    Pr 
Freese                        Fr             
Mackowiak*              Av Fr Fr    Vg Pr Av 
Barrett            Pr                        
Lane                                Pr Pr Pr 
Giles                      Av                
Huffman                 Av Pr Pr Pr Fr    Fr 
Rodriguez#                 Av Av Fr          
Stansberry                 Av Fr Fr          
Morton             Av   Fr                   
Hundley            Av                        
Macias*                             Fr Fr Fr 
Venable*                            Vg Pr Vg 
Blum#                   Av Fr Av Fr Fr    Fr 
Sinisi*                             Fr Pr Fr 
Robles*                    Fr Vg Fr          
Ramirez                                Vg
Cruz                       Av Av Av          
Hunter*                             Vg Vg    


Player Spotlight - Adrian Gonzalez
Name               AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS
Optimistic (15%)  .307  .377  .567 162 619 111 190 46  2 37 114  68 111  0  0    
Mean              .284  .351  .511 153 585  93 166 39  2 30  89  59 116  0  0    
Pessimistic (15%) .259  .318  .443 125 479  65 124 28  0 20  58  42 103  0  0   

Top Near-Age Offensive Comps: Kent Hrbek, Alvin Davis

Name                     Age    ERA   W   L   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K 
Trevor Hoffman            40   2.53   5   1  59   0    57.0   49   16   3   12   46 
Heath Bell                30   2.89   6   2  66   0    81.0   68   26   5   24   84 
Joe Thatcher*             26   2.96   6   3  59   0    67.0   59   22   5   17   60 
Jake Peavy                27   2.99  17   7  33  33   214.0  181   71  19   56  221 
Cla Meredith              25   3.26   7   4  78   0    91.0   89   33   7   16   66 
Chris Young               29   3.32  12   6  31  31   176.0  147   65  18   60  165
LEAGUE AVERAGE RELIEVER ------ 3.78 ----------------------------------------------- 
Justin Hampson*           28   3.84   3   3  59   0    75.0   69   32   8   34   63 
Greg Maddux               42   3.91  14  11  33  33   200.0  212   87  18   34  106 
Doug Brocail              41   3.95   3   3  56   1    66.0   65   29   6   25   47 
Will Startup*             23   3.97   4   4  56   0    77.0   75   34   9   21   58 
Scott Cassidy             32   4.00   6   5  52   1    72.0   68   32  10   25   72 
Kevin Cameron             28   4.11   3   3  44   0    70.0   69   32   6   29   52 
LEAGUE AVERAGE STARTER ------- 4.14 -----------------------------------------------
Justin Germano            25   4.24  10  10  30  28   172.0  181   81  21   36  105 
Brett Tomko               35   4.34   8   9  36  21   143.0  145   69  16   49  104 
Clay Hensley              28   4.47   7   8  32  22   145.0  150   72  14   61   92 
Mike Adams                30   4.50   2   3  46   0    58.0   60   29   6   27   43 
Adrian Burnside*          31   4.50   1   2  43   0    52.0   54   26   6   18   36 
Casey Fossum*             30   4.53   7   9  35  21   133.0  131   67  17   55  106 
Wade LeBlanc*             23   4.67   8  11  27  25   131.0  139   68  20   30  105 
Wil Ledezma*              27   4.71   5   6  35  13   105.0  107   55  13   50   79 
Jack Cassel               27   4.75   8  10  33  22   161.0  182   85  18   49   88 
Shawn Estes*              35   4.88   4   6  19  16    94.0  105   51  11   38   56 
Frank Brooks*             29   4.94   2   3  53   0    62.0   62   34  12   30   50 
Josh Geer                 25   4.99   8  12  26  26   166.0  201   92  21   31   72
Jared Wells               26   5.01   8  10  34  22   142.0  157   79  16   58   86 
Aaron Rakers              31   5.02   4   7  69   0    95.0  100   53  18   24   81 
Tim Stauffer              26   5.21   6  11  28  25   159.0  183   92  20   49   85 
Mike Thompson             27   5.34   6  10  29  25   160.0  190   95  21   49   66 
Steve Watkins             29   5.37   4   7  29  15   109.0  122   65  17   42   63 
Cesar Carrillo            24   5.40   1   2   9   9    50.0   55   30   8   20   32 
Roger Deago*              39   6.13   4  11  30  19   119.0  140   81  23   57   72 
Ryan Ketchner*            26   6.15   3   9  20  19    98.0  116   67  19   32   68 

* - Throws Left

Player Spotlight - Jake Peavy
                    ERA   W   L   G  GS  INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K 
Optimistic (15%)   2.14  21   4  34  34  231  173   55  14   53  261
Mean               2.99  17   7  33  33  214  181   71  19   56  221
Pessimistic (15%)  3.64  11   8  27  27  173  158   70  18   58  167

Top Near-Age Comps:  Camilo Pascual, Bret Saberhagen

Disclaimer:  ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance.  
Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors - 
many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2008.  
ZiPS is projecting equivalent production - a .240 ZiPS projection may end up 
being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example.  Whether or not a player will play 
is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting 
the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake.  
This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in
the offseason.  

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.49 ERA and the NL having a 4.40 ERA.
Dan Szymborski Posted: October 16, 2007 at 12:35 AM | 41 comment(s)
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   1. plink Posted: October 16, 2007 at 01:00 AM (#2578799)
Any chance of a ZiPS for Inman?
   2. Every Inge Counts Posted: October 16, 2007 at 01:03 AM (#2578802)
Nice, Wade LeBlanc...people who know prospects-how does he look? I saw him pitch a few times at Alabama.
   3. Russlan roots for the the mediocre Mets Posted: October 16, 2007 at 02:45 AM (#2579055)
Why does ZIPS hate Bradley?
   4. Russlan roots for the the mediocre Mets Posted: October 16, 2007 at 02:46 AM (#2579059)
I know. ZIPS is racist!

I kind of wish I thought of that joke before I clicked submit.
   5. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: October 16, 2007 at 03:53 AM (#2579068)
Peavy's pessimistic projection is pretty damn sweet. Also, I noticed that there are about 76 pitchers on the list before you get to one with an ERA projected to be above 5, and that isn't just the park.
   6. Ludwig the Indestructible Posted: October 16, 2007 at 06:06 AM (#2579074)
Peavy's pessimistic projection is pretty damn sweet.


Sadly Zips is no playing time/injury predictor, and thats where Peavy's real pessimistic projection will come from
   7. Ivan Grushenko of HK in Seattle Posted: October 16, 2007 at 06:55 AM (#2579079)
I think ZiPS is predicting San Diego to be the best team in the NL, but I won't know for sure until I run the Mets projections.

Are we that sure that the Rockies won't be in the mix?
   8. Frisco Cali Posted: October 16, 2007 at 08:18 AM (#2579099)
Do the Pads try Headley at 2b?
What to do with the OF? - B Giles isn't getting any younger, Cameron may be gone, and there isn't a LF til Bradley comes back and we don't know when that will be
   9. Gromit Posted: October 16, 2007 at 08:41 AM (#2579117)
Can Headley play LF?
   10. Nate Posted: October 16, 2007 at 10:37 AM (#2579281)
Dan,

What does ZIPS think of Barrett in a nuetral environment?
   11. The Essex Snead Posted: October 16, 2007 at 10:46 AM (#2579291)
Can Headley play LF?


If Hairston's performance during his Padres tenure wasn't a fluke (tho ZIPS says otherwise), you could do worse than a Hairston / Sledge platoon.
   12. EddieA Posted: October 16, 2007 at 10:55 AM (#2579307)
What I want to know is how many of Hairston's projected 11 home runs would come against the Giants.
   13. Mike Green Posted: October 16, 2007 at 10:59 AM (#2579315)
Dan, the Hoffman projection is way off. It appears likely (from his home-road splits and his left-right splits) that the best he can hope to be is adequate.

What the Padres did this year is mask his decline by pitching him disproportionately at PETCO. Any projection system is going to have a tough time with a 40 year old who throws 35 innings in a great pitching environment and 22 innings in a neutral one. This is a case where manual adjustments need to be made.
   14. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: October 16, 2007 at 12:17 PM (#2579436)
This is a case where manual adjustments need to be made.

But if they keep doing that, it should be right-ish, no? The thing would be if they didn't do that on purpose (35/22 might be random, particularly when you consider they won more home games) and then he had a larger share of IP in hitter's parks.
   15. shoewizard Posted: October 16, 2007 at 12:44 PM (#2579478)
Dan, just curious about Scott Hairston, (of course). Last year ZIPS had him at 856 OPS, and he posted a 765. Other than ballpark, what are the factors that makes ZIPS project such a dismal performance from him in 2008, (722 OPS) ?

Despite haveing close to legue average line drive percentage he had a below legue avg BABIP. I remember during the Orioles series, he was robbed of a homerun by Patterson, and then a double, and Melvin Mora robbed him TWICE on shots down the line. He lost 10 extra bases vs. the Orioles in June alone. I remember calculating at the time that if those robberies not occured, it would have added 100 points to his OPS and he never would have been traded.

If they give the guy 400-500 PA, I would bet a fair sum he will have a higher OPS than 722
   16. 1k5v3L Posted: October 16, 2007 at 12:46 PM (#2579482)
If they give the guy 400-500 PA, I would bet a fair sum he will have a higher OPS than 722


i hope not.
   17. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 16, 2007 at 01:02 PM (#2579502)
Bugger, I was hoping nobody would mention Hairston.

At one point last winter, I accidentally erased Tucson's 2006 HR park factor and my spreadsheet as a result reported a 3-year weighted HR factor of 64 as a result. I had to do a bunch of Arizona players over again and while I thought I had fixed everyone, I happened to re-check Hairston's projection over the summer and saw that I had never fixed him. I double-checked all the other Diamondbacks and everyone else's was correct.
   18. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 16, 2007 at 01:15 PM (#2579513)
What the Padres did this year is mask his decline by pitching him disproportionately at PETCO. Any projection system is going to have a tough time with a 40 year old who throws 35 innings in a great pitching environment and 22 innings in a neutral one. This is a case where manual adjustments need to be made.

The split isn't quite that severe because he faced a lot more batters per inning away than he did at home. All in all, it was 9% more BF at home and 9% more on the road.

Also, the ERA splits are exaggerated. While the home/road ERA split is a massive 1.80/4.84, the home/road DIPS ERA split was 3.11/3.32, which is actually slightly smaller than the normal Petco/Road split!
   19. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 16, 2007 at 01:16 PM (#2579515)
That should read 9% less BF on the road, not more.
   20. Mike Green Posted: October 16, 2007 at 01:55 PM (#2579571)
Yeah. Actually, recalling the Randy Johnson discussion of last year and looking at Hoffman's and Maddux's projections for this year, it probably has more to do with the projections for 40+ year old great career pitchers. Hoffman's age 40 K rate (7.25/9IP) is projected to be higher than his combined age 38 and 39 K rate (7.03/9IP). Maddux's age 42 ERA+ is projected to be better than his age 39-41 ERA+. I don't know why this happens, but probably it is because some weight is attached to earlier performance.

In Hoffman's particular case, there are a number of objective indicators of significant decline, from K rate to platoon splits to intentional walk rate. Opposing managers will catch on, and pinch-hit with left-handed hitters a little more, and like Gossage did at the end, Hoffman is going to struggle to be better than a league average reliever.
   21. xeifrank Posted: October 16, 2007 at 02:08 PM (#2579588)
Padres the best team in the NL? Need to run the Mets?? You don't think teams like the Rockies, Diamondbacks or Dodgers will project as well?
vr, Xei
   22. GEB4000 Posted: October 16, 2007 at 08:35 PM (#2580128)
Maddux's projection seems pretty generous. He'll be within striking distance of the top 5 wins of all time if he meets his projection in 2008.
   23. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 16, 2007 at 09:40 PM (#2580368)
What are the PFs for SD here? What kind of line would someone like Hundley or Morton put up in a neutral environment?
   24. harrball Posted: October 16, 2007 at 11:25 PM (#2580740)
ZIPS like Cla - 1.6 BB and .7 HR per 9IP
   25. FBI Posted: October 17, 2007 at 01:27 AM (#2580838)
Yes Kevin Kouzmanoff and Chase Headley play 3b but so DOES Morgan Ensberg who is projected to play well
   26. Shock Posted: October 17, 2007 at 01:35 AM (#2580841)
Jesus, what the hell happened to Marcus Giles?
   27. St.Philly Posted: October 17, 2007 at 10:41 AM (#2581074)
I call dibs on Ensberg, especially if he's only a B class FA.
   28. St.Philly Posted: October 17, 2007 at 11:26 AM (#2581163)
Turns out Ensberg is just short of FA status. Wonder if the Pads will even offer him arbitration? He doesn't seem to fit into their plans and paying $5 million for insurance seems a bit high for the Pads.
   29. Jake Peavy's # 1 Fan Posted: October 17, 2007 at 11:33 AM (#2581170)
KT said that if they don't sign Bradley to play LF (which is highly unlikely since he's hurt until mid-next year) that he'd be fine with a platoon of Hairston/Headley in LF.

Now, we need to get a CF, if not Cameron or Rowand, then at least Hunter.

KT also said that Antonelli will halve to earn the 2b job in spring. I think he will. So we'll probably open the season playing something like:

Bard/Barret C
Gonzalez 1b
Antonelli 2b
Kouzmanoff 3b
Greene SS
Hairston/Headley LF
Cameron? CF
Giles RF

We do need some good CFer.
   30. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 17, 2007 at 11:44 AM (#2581190)
If Hoffman is always brought in for a save situation, his IP splits aren't surprising. They won more games at home. Since Petco is a low scoring park, you will have a higher ptg of save opportunities as most games will be separated by 3 runs or less.

I like Josh Bard's projections. Too bad he plays in Petco.
   31. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 17, 2007 at 04:42 PM (#2581716)
Even if the Padres staff isn't much at holding runners, the amazing 121-for-131 baserunners did in stolen bases against Bard is a huge concern.
   32. Jake Peavy's # 1 Fan Posted: October 17, 2007 at 05:14 PM (#2581760)
It was a concern, that's why they got Barret, although, he wasn't much of a difference maker in that regard. But watching about 80% of the games, I saw runners take HUGE jumps on the pitchers a lot of times, running leads sometimes; the Padres pitchers as a whole weren't good at keeping the runners close to the bag.

I'm looking forward to see if they're looking to better their keep-the-runner-close-to-the-bag skill.
   33. John DiFool2 Posted: October 18, 2007 at 12:13 AM (#2581993)
For anyone who has watched him: what the hell happened to Marcus Giles? That 2008 projection is very brutal, considering what he did at ages 25-27-goes from an up and coming star to a complete washout in 2 years.
   34. John DiFool2 Posted: October 18, 2007 at 12:14 AM (#2581994)
Sorry Skuzzy (can't edit in this forum for some odd reason).
   35. karkface killah Posted: October 18, 2007 at 01:11 PM (#2582445)
Jesus, what the hell happened to Marcus Giles?

He's expected to be a high first round pick in the George Mitchell Fantasy Draft.
   36. Jake Peavy's # 1 Fan Posted: October 18, 2007 at 01:24 PM (#2582461)
The Padres already said they're not going to pick up his option for the next season.
   37. Geoff Young Posted: October 18, 2007 at 04:08 PM (#2582708)
Even if the Padres staff isn't much at holding runners, the amazing 121-for-131 baserunners did in stolen bases against Bard is a huge concern.


If you haven't seen the Padres staff "attempt" to hold runners, it's difficult to imagine how bad they are at it. Chris Young and Greg Maddux might as well never work out of the stretch. Base stealers are 85-for-89 against Young alone over the past two years; they've stolen successfully in 46 straight attempts dating back to September 27, 2006. There isn't a catcher alive that has a chance with him on the mound.
   38. Masticore317 Posted: October 25, 2007 at 10:09 PM (#2594110)
Could you please post projections for Yordany Ramirez and Josh Geer?


Thanks!
   39. GP14 Posted: October 27, 2007 at 01:27 PM (#2595778)
We do need some good CFer.

If defense is the first priority, and in PETCO it should be, Coco Crisp would look very good in San Diego. With Ellsbury's arrival, Coco is a late inning defensive replacement for Boston.
   40. plink Posted: October 28, 2007 at 01:10 AM (#2596880)
If defense is the first priority, and in PETCO it should be, Coco Crisp would look very good in San Diego. With Ellsbury's arrival, Coco is a late inning defensive replacement for Boston.

... for Bard and Meredith? Only if you give Crisp a police escort to PETCO.
   41. Jake Peavy's # 1 Fan Posted: October 29, 2007 at 12:01 PM (#2598758)
Crisp?
I prefer Hunter, really; although I doubt 1)That the Pads pay him the money he's going to ask for and 2)He wants to play in SD, from everything I've heard.

I like the team we have so far, I would like for the to add to that, not subtract, we need to keep the young promising guys and the ones who have performed well enough already.
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