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Saturday, October 06, 2007

2008 ZiPS Projections - Tampa Bay Devil Rays

The bad part of doing teams in reverse alphabetical order this year is that there are quite a few bleak teams at the end of the alphabet. I won't even get to a playoff team until the 10th set of projections, though at least San Diego shouldn't be depressing.

A few people have asked if I've made any changes to ZiPS this year. The only significant change is that I spent a lot of 2007 working out a method to calculate the dreaded "level of play" issue. I've tried to err on the conservative side, but you should see slightly harsher projections for players going to the AL from the NL, and vice-versa. A few specific findings from head-to-head play also surprised me, with such tidbits as NL pitchers vs. AL hitters having a BABIP 20 points higher the last 3 years than the opposite matchup!

For the Devil Rays, while the pitching doesn't actually look good, they can make a decent improvement there without actually becoming good. Andy Sonnanstine might have been disappointing in his rookie season, but ZiPS sees him as the best bet to eat innings without being horrible in 2008 along with Wade Davis. I did the pitcher spotlight for him, just so that I don't have to do the same Scott Kazmir one every single year. ZiPS still sees Carlos Pena as being a really good player, just not a near-MVP candidate - while ZiPS was pretty bullish on Carlos Pena, it was bullish in the sense of "this guy is at least an average 1B and should start on quite a lot of teams, not getting NRIs" not "this guy is going to make a run at 50 homers. The offense as a whole finished with an OPS+ of 100, just the second time they managed that in their first decade. That's sustainable too, with not a single likely regular going to be 30 by next opening day. There are problematic spots in the defense, but some of that can be avoided by the hopefully inevitable Longoria-to-3rd/Iwamura-to-2nd/Upton-to-CF-permanently shuffle. Don't be fooled by that "FR" rating for Upton at 2B - he had an error rate at 2B more than 3 times the league-average!

Particularly heartening projections are those of Justin Ruggiano and Wade Davis. Wade Davis in particular had a breakthrough season, continuing to dominate on his promotion to AA after terrorizing the FSL and throwing a no-hitter. Big guy, live fastball, and one of John Sickels's favorites, if I recall.


Name                     P  Age   AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS 
Carlos Pena*             1b  30  .266  .400  .531 144 478  80 127 22  0 35  90 103 142  2  1 
Carl Crawford*           lf  26  .316  .356  .479 150 610  97 193 33 12 14  78  34  94 48  9 
Justin Ruggiano          rf  26  .288  .365  .464 135 466  72 134 27  2 17  67  52 146 16  8 
Jonny Gomes              rf  27  .256  .351  .481 127 422  65 108 22  2 23  64  55 136  9  5
AVERAGE 1B/DH ---------- 1b ---- .274  .355  .466 ------------------------------------------ 
B.J. Upton               cf  23  .278  .363  .452 150 540  91 150 24  2 22  72  72 151 26 11 
AVERAGE LF ------------- lf ---- .273  .347  .447 ------------------------------------------
AVERAGE RF ------------- rf ---- .272  .344  .448 ------------------------------------------
Evan Longoria            3b  22  .260  .350  .436 120 408  50 106 21  0 17  61  49  93  2  0
AVERAGE 3B ------------- 3b ---- .274  .343  .445 ------------------------------------------ 
Rocco Baldelli           cf  26  .274  .321  .472  79 307  45  84 19  3 12  38  18  60  6  2 
Akinori Iwamura*         3b  29  .286  .358  .408 128 490  66 140 20  5 10  36  56 115  7  5 
AVERAGE CF ------------- cf ---- .267  .332  .416 ------------------------------------------
Delmon Young             rf  22  .292  .323  .424 149 589  65 172 34  1 14  83  26 115 11  3
AVERAGE 2B ------------- 2b ---- .271  .333  .405 ------------------------------------------
Greg Norton#             dh  35  .250  .345  .384  76 232  31  58 10  0  7  26  31  56  1  1
Elijah Dukes#            lf  24  .231  .334  .425  72 247  36  57  9  3 11  31  36  47  4  4 
AVERAGE SS ------------- ss ---- .269  .326  .398 ------------------------------------------ 
Brendan Harris           ss  27  .268  .330  .409 137 492  66 132 29  2 12  59  42  96  3  2
John Jaso*               c   24  .262  .333  .379 101 340  37  89 17  1  7  41  35  53  1  1 
AVERAGE C -------------- c ----- .255  .317  .393 ------------------------------------------
Ben Zobrist#             ss  27  .252  .341  .362 120 420  56 106 22  3  6  35  54  70 10  5 
Sergio Pedroza*          rf  24  .226  .315  .387 115 367  33  83 21  1 12  42  37 112  0  2 
Dioner Navarro#          c   24  .244  .313  .365 112 373  45  91 16  1  9  44  37  85  2  1 
Jason Pridie*            cf  24  .253  .303  .379 139 494  55 125 22  5 10  44  32  94 14  7 
Raul Casanova            c   34  .233  .283  .395  57 172  16  40  7  0  7  20  12  39  0  0 
Reid Brignac*            ss  22  .243  .299  .369 131 493  59 120 23  3 11  54  37 102  8  4 
Shawn Riggans            c   27  .250  .299  .358  95 324  24  81 18  1  5  32  20  73  1  2 
Elliot Johnson#          2b  24  .232  .295  .371 126 466  52 108 17  6 12  41  37 130 13 10 
Josh Wilson              ss  27  .237  .292  .350 112 354  45  84 18  2  6  33  25  82  8  3 
Jorge Velandia           ss  33  .248  .296  .345 104 371  39  92 20  2  4  31  24  78  5  3 
Michel Hernandez         c   29  .245  .307  .301  63 196  15  48  5  0  2  16  16  23  1  1 
Brent Butler             3b  30  .247  .282  .338  87 308  26  76 17  1  3  23  15  42  0  1 
Joel Guzman              3b  23  .221  .261  .346 103 353  26  78 12  1 10  41  18  90  4  1 
Josh Paul                c   33  .216  .274  .269  50 134  12  29  4  0  1   9  10  36  0  1 

* - Bats Left
# = Switch-Hitter

Name               CThr 1b 2b 3b ss lf cf rf 
Pena*                   Fr                   
Crawford*                           Ex Av    
Ruggiano                            Av Fr Av 
Gomes                               Fr    Fr 
Upton                      Fr Pr Pr    Av    
Longoria                      Av             
Baldelli                            Av Av Av 
Iwamura*                   Fr Av             
Young                               Av Pr Vg 
Norton#                 Av          Pr    Pr 
Dukes#                              Av Pr Av 
Harris                     Fr Av Pr          
Jaso*              Fr                        
Zobrist#                      Av Fr          
Pedroza*                Pr          Fr    Fr 
Navarro#           Av                        
Pridie*                             Vg Vg Vg 
Casanova           Fr                        
Brignac*                         Av          
Riggans            Av                        
Johnson#                   Av                
Wilson                     Av Av Pr          
Velandia                   Vg Av Av          
Hernandez          Av                        
Butler                     Fr Fr Fr Fr    Fr 
Guzman                        Fr Pr Fr       
Paul               Av                        

Player Spotlight - Carlos Pena
Name               AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS
Optimistic (15%)  .290  .413  .599 154 511  97 148 27  1 43 117 101 139  3  0   
Mean              .266  .385  .531 144 478  80 127 22  0 35  90  88 139  2  1 
Pessimistic (15%) .241  .353  .466 114 378  54  91 16  0 23  57  64 118  1  1  

Top Near-Age Offensive Comps: Mike Epstein, Jim Gentile

Name                     Age    ERA   W   L   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K 
Scott Kazmir*             24   3.64  13   9  32  32   198.0  187   80  19   71  217
LEAGUE AVERAGE RELIEVER ------ 4.17 ----------------------------------------------- 
Jay Witasick              35   4.24   2   1  50   2    51.0   49   24   4   31   51 
Dan Wheeler               30   4.25   4   4  72   0    72.0   74   34   9   21   68 
Jamie Shields             26   4.38   9  10  29  29   193.0  209   94  28   38  156 
Wade Davis                22   4.47   8   8  29  29   167.0  182   83  15   59  117 
Al Reyes                  38   4.50   3   3  61   0    58.0   54   29  11   20   62 
LEAGUE AVERAGE STARTER ------- 4.53 -----------------------------------------------
Scott Dohmann             30   4.56   3   4  68   0    71.0   74   36  10   31   66 
Gary Glover               31   4.61   3   4  72   0    80.0   89   41  11   27   57 
Grant Balfour             30   4.71   2   3  55   0    63.0   66   33   6   30   62 
Juan Salas                29   4.73   2   2  48   0    59.0   62   31   9   27   52 
Andrew Sonnanstine        25   4.79  11  14  31  31   201.0  229  107  29   36  138 
Calvin Medlock            25   4.80   4   6  53   0    75.0   85   40  10   23   54 
Tim Corcoran              30   4.81   5   7  37   9    88.0   96   47  10   39   56 
J.P. Howell*              25   4.86   9  12  32  32   176.0  191   95  23   60  144 
Jacob McGee*              21   4.86   7   9  28  28   148.0  159   80  20   59  116 
Chad Orvella              27   4.89   4   5  55   0    70.0   77   38   9   28   54 
Nick DeBarr               24   4.98   3   5  54   0    85.0  100   47  10   26   42 
Mitch Talbot              24   4.98   9  12  31  30   168.0  196   93  17   58   97 
Jason Hammel              25   5.00   7  11  33  28   162.0  181   90  20   58  116 
Brian Shackelford*        31   5.04   2   3  61   0    50.0   60   28   5   19   27 
Stephen Andrade           30   5.14   2   3  41   0    63.0   70   36   7   31   43 
Jeff Niemann              25   5.23   6  10  22  22   117.0  138   68  16   37   75 
Jon Switzer*              28   5.24   2   4  44   5    67.0   79   39   8   28   39 
Jae-Kuk Ryu               25   5.32   6  11  31  23   142.0  171   84  20   48   85 
James Houser*             23   5.51   5   8  25  24   134.0  154   82  25   44   92 
Shawn Camp                32   5.53   4   6  61   3    83.0  104   51  10   30   54 
Edwin Jackson             24   5.56   6  12  38  28   162.0  188  100  20   78  121 
Jeff Ridgway*             27   5.57   2   5  51   2    63.0   70   39  12   30   51 
Jae Wong Seo              31   5.58   7  12  31  28   166.0  209  103  27   43   90 
Brian Stokes              28   5.71   4   9  37  17   112.0  139   71  17   43   65 
Doug Waechter             27   5.86   5  11  25  22   129.0  165   84  20   39   65 
Chuck Tiffany*            23   6.59   5  12  20  19   101.0  125   74  25   44   81 

* - Throws Left

Player Spotlight - Andrew Sonnanstine
                    ERA   W   L   G  GS  INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K 
Optimistic (15%)   3.85  15  12  34  34  227  235   97  25   30  174	   
Mean               4.79  11  14  31  31  201  229  107  29   36  138   
Pessimistic (15%)  5.87   7  14  26  26  161  202  105  30   37  101 
Top Near-Age Comps:  John Smiley, Moose Haas

Disclaimer:  ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance.  
Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors - 
many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2008.  
ZiPS is projecting equivalent production - a .240 ZiPS projection may end up 
being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example.  Whether or not a player will play 
is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting 
the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake.  
This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in
the offseason.  

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.49 ERA and the NL having a 4.40 ERA.
Dan Szymborski Posted: October 06, 2007 at 04:08 PM | 21 comment(s)
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   1. He's Bought a Bat Like Prince Fielder  Posted: October 06, 2007 at 04:05 PM (#2564254)
[25 names]
Joel Guzman 3b 23 .221 .261 .346 103 353 26 78 12 1 10 41 18 90 4 1

You gotta feel for a guy that peaked at 19. Is it just me or has Guzman put on like 75 pounds in the last 3 years? Do the Dodgers and Devil Rays serve tubs of lard in their minor league clubhouse spreads?
   2. The Answer to the TWolves (GMoney)  Posted: October 06, 2007 at 04:11 PM (#2564261)
Seems like a perfect team to deal away a hitter or 2 or 3 for a couple decent pitchers. Most teams don't like to deal pitching away but maybe the DRays could pry some away. Add 1 or 2 decent starters and a dominate bullpen guy or 2 and this team would be .500 or close I think.
   3. Jim Wisinski is waiting till next year  Posted: October 06, 2007 at 04:12 PM (#2564263)
Shields should beat that projection easily. I doubt the accuracy of Ruggiano's, I just don't think he can hit well enough to be a starting outfielder like that suggests.
   4. Rafael Bellylard has become a Mets fan!  Posted: October 07, 2007 at 09:44 AM (#2565213)
If you ran the same projection for Kazmir on a good team, what would his W/L record be? This is his arb year, and I know the Rays are interested in signing him to a contract to get him into his free agency years. If it doesn't get done, he's decided to forego the money for freedom.
   5. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 07, 2007 at 09:58 AM (#2565228)
Kazmir, Red Sock - 15-7, 3.38
Kazmir, Yankee - 16-6, 3.44
Kazmire, Indian - 15-7, 3.46
Kazmir, Angel - 15-7, 3.44
Kazmir, Cub - 15-7, 3.10
Kazmir, Phillie - 15-7, 3.36
Kazmir, Diamondback - 14-8, 3.53
Kazmir, Rockie - 14-8, 3.53
   6. More Indecisive than Lonnie Smith on 2nd...  Posted: October 07, 2007 at 10:23 AM (#2565263)
Thanks for running that, Dan, and great question, p8p. .30 on ERA just from playing on a better defensive team in the same division (Red Sox)--wow. Though that might have as much to do with NOT playing the Sox 1-3 times/year... I wonder if he might go deeper in games, being able to attack more rather than feeling he has to strike guys out?
   7. 1k5v3L, Useless  Posted: October 07, 2007 at 04:38 PM (#2565783)
I wonder if he might go deeper in games, being able to attack more rather than feeling he has to strike guys out?


I believe someone at THT looked at that (DSG?), and there really didn't seem to be any reason to think Kazmir would become more economical if he stopped striking guys out. Heck, with the truly atrocious Rays defense, he's better off striking people out. What's hurting him are the walks. He needs to walk fewer people, not cut down on strikeouts.
   8. CWS Keith  Posted: October 07, 2007 at 04:54 PM (#2565836)
I doubt the accuracy of Ruggiano's, I just don't think he can hit well enough to be a starting outfielder like that suggests.

What's the story with Ruggiano? Is he limited to just corner OF spots? With Young, Crawford and Upton occupying the outfield -- as GMoney touched on -- they sure seem to have a lot of outfielders with very little room. Knowing nothing about Ruggiano other than the line posted above, he's a guy that a lot of teams should be willing to give up a decent player for (be it a B prospect or a solid major league reliever).

Gosh damn do I wish the White Sox had this 'problem' of having too many good position players fighting for not enough spots.
   9. Dewitty_Pun  Posted: October 07, 2007 at 05:30 PM (#2565902)
ZIPS really ignores the plexiglass priciple on Pena.
   10. DCW3   Posted: October 07, 2007 at 05:42 PM (#2565935)
I don't know--that projection is closer to his overall career OPS than it is to his 2007 numbers.
   11. Rafael Bellylard has become a Mets fan!  Posted: October 07, 2007 at 06:11 PM (#2566004)
Thanks, Dan. I've thought playing for the Rays has been costing him 2-3 wins a year. And I wasn't considering the defense or hitting, but the bullpen. I can't remember what I did with it, but I looked up how many games in his career he got a ND when leaving the game with a lead, and I think it was seven.

Seven seems like a lot for a 24 year old.
   12. Bull Pain  Posted: October 07, 2007 at 06:19 PM (#2566025)
Ruggiano isn't really CF material, although I think he could handle the position if absolutely necessary. He misplayed a few balls in RF though. Possibly a vision issue. He had a great season with the bat in Durham, but he swings and misses an awful lot and the short LF wall in Durham agreed with him. I doubt he's a big league starter, but he could be a decent backup guy and maybe he turns into a Matt Diaz.
   13. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 07, 2007 at 06:19 PM (#2566026)
ZIPS really ignores the plexiglass priciple on Pena.

Ever bounce something off plexiglass? It doesn't go all the way back to where it started!

Anyway, ZiPS already thought Pena was a good player, 256/355/474 going into 2007.
   14. FBI  Posted: October 09, 2007 at 02:04 PM (#2570078)
I expect B.J. Upton, Delmon Young to be better than these projections.
They are young high draft picks who are clearly better than their brothers.
I can see each having 95 RBIs.
   15. Joshua Gibsons Ruth (Voxter)  Posted: October 10, 2007 at 10:04 PM (#2571444)
Wow, Carlos Pena comes alive. Again.
   16. Rafael Bellylard has become a Mets fan!  Posted: October 10, 2007 at 11:34 PM (#2571485)
Rocco Baldelli, 79 games. I'll take the under.

(Yes, I read the disclaimer.)
   17. Rafael Bellylard has become a Mets fan!  Posted: October 10, 2007 at 11:45 PM (#2571489)
I know Velandia had a great September, but ZIPS seems to be giving him a lot of love for the 320/454/520 he hit this year in 58 PA's. He's 32 and has hit 188/275/271 in 254 career PA'sand the last time he played was 2003.
   18. HowardMegdal  Posted: October 10, 2007 at 11:58 PM (#2571493)
Kazmir, Red Sock - 15-7, 3.38
Kazmir, Yankee - 16-6, 3.44
Kazmire, Indian - 15-7, 3.46
Kazmir, Angel - 15-7, 3.44
Kazmir, Cub - 15-7, 3.10
Kazmir, Phillie - 15-7, 3.36
Kazmir, Diamondback - 14-8, 3.53
Kazmir, Rockie - 14-8, 3.53


Thank you for the team you did not include here.
   19. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 11, 2007 at 12:33 AM (#2571504)
Thank you for the team you did not include here.

Heh.

Actually, I didn't think about the cruelty of posting a Mets projection! I just decided to pick the playoff teams as a proxy to avoid a possible flame war in which I'm forced to name exactly what I consider a good team.
   20. bibigon  Posted: October 11, 2007 at 02:00 AM (#2571523)

Actually, I didn't think about the cruelty of posting a Mets projection! I just decided to pick the playoff teams as a proxy to avoid a possible flame war in which I'm forced to name exactly what I consider a good team.


Are you saying the Mets aren't a playoff team?
   21. kwarren  Posted: October 15, 2007 at 05:32 PM (#2577551)
Well not without Pedro and Kazmir.
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