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— A Timely Look at Transactions as They Happen

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   1. Mister High Standards Posted: October 02, 2007 at 06:51 PM (#2556545)
The BJ's gave all that money to a Mike Devereaux comp.
   2. Cowboy Popup Posted: October 02, 2007 at 06:56 PM (#2556552)
I have such a hard time convincing myself that the Jays are a pitching heavy, weak lineup team. It just doesn't fit the image I have of them. Man they suck offensively.
   3. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: October 02, 2007 at 06:57 PM (#2556554)
You know, Burnett, Halladay and McGowan is the makings of one hell of a staff. I just don't see where the runs are going to come from.
   4. Mark R. Garber Posted: October 02, 2007 at 07:17 PM (#2556587)
Ricky Romero is almost as good as Troy Tulowitzki...
   5. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 02, 2007 at 07:19 PM (#2556590)
To be fair, naming a couple of the comps is just for fun. And Mike Devereaux was a really good player for a few years.
   6. channeling my inner STEAGLES Posted: October 02, 2007 at 07:24 PM (#2556604)
what accounts for the disparity between shaun marcum's and dustin mcgowan's projections? they put up reasonably similar overall numbers this past season, with the main differences being that marcum started the year as a reliever, and marcum tired out as the year wound down.


if the difference is only related to their respective homerun rates, that's fine, and i'll accept it, but i get a feeling that there is something more that is going to cause problems for marcum next year. i like his arm a lot, and i think he can be a very good starter until at least the next decade, but after watching him this september, i get the feeling that he's going to run into overuse problems next year, finding himself on and off the DL as the blue jays take another step forward towards the playoffs.
   7. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: October 02, 2007 at 07:33 PM (#2556620)
Ricky Romero is almost as good as Troy Tulowitzki...


And he'd be the first left handed shortstop in the majors as well!
   8. Gaelan Posted: October 02, 2007 at 07:37 PM (#2556631)
Without giving away secrets I'm interested in quick projecting 101 on how these projections are arrived at. For instance Aaron Hill is projected for a 271/324/391 line which would be the worst season of his career. Do projection systems normally project players who will be 26 to get worse from a baseline of performance that has been established over the course of the past three years. I can see how the computer might see some the power this year as a blip but why would his batting average which was .291 the past two seasons and even in his rookie year was above .271 be projected to be a career worst?
   9. Gaelan Posted: October 02, 2007 at 07:43 PM (#2556644)
Ok, looking over Hill's 2007 projections I see that ZIPS was very down on him then too projecting a 268/330/371 line which was a fairly extreme outlier compared to the other projection systems displayed at fangraphs.

So, an additional couple of questions would be

1) What part of the secret sauce would explain this kind of difference in projections?
2) Why would Hill's most recent season have such a small effect on his projection for 2008?

BTW These aren't criticisms. I'm honestly curious about how the process works. It's the only way I can make any kind of meaningful judgement concerning what any of these numbers mean.
   10. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 02, 2007 at 07:48 PM (#2556657)
HR difference mainly, plus McGowan's 2007 also includes a terrific 5-start stint for Syracuse (when combine translation and MLB, his line becomes 3.88). ZiPS likes McGowan's chances at keeping his HR rates low.
   11. MSI Posted: October 02, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2556674)
Here is last year's 2007 ZIPS for the Jays. Boy, did the hitting underperform in every way.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/2007_zips_projections_toronto_blue_jays/

Remember that bet about Towers being a 4.70 ERA? Ha, well it was sort of close.
   12. Kyle S Posted: October 02, 2007 at 08:14 PM (#2556700)
Gaelan, I'd imagine the answer to your question would be something like "mediocre minor league performance" but I'll let Dan speak for himself.
   13. Crispix Attacks Posted: October 02, 2007 at 08:18 PM (#2556713)
Wow, those predictions for Glaus and Thomas are similar, except for the K's.

Also, I somehow thought Glaus was...well, a lot more than 0 years older than Lyle Overbay. Overbay's career began really late.
   14. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 02, 2007 at 08:20 PM (#2556721)
The problem with Hill is that you go through history, youngish 2B that aren't stars collectively have rather disappointing age trends. ZiPS is also quite skeptical that the power jump is for real.
   15. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 02, 2007 at 08:21 PM (#2556723)
Yes, Hill's minor league record wasn't very impressive as well.
   16. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 02, 2007 at 08:33 PM (#2556753)
How does Ryan's surgery affect his projection, if at all? What's the error bar there?
   17. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 02, 2007 at 08:40 PM (#2556766)
Whether or not a player will play
is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting
the future.


Injury is another one of them. Injuries are too complex for us to really tackle with a computer like this. Thankfully, as surgery gets better, the injuries should become less of less an issue. We're already reaching the point at which Tommy John surgery isn't dragging down pitchers once they get back.
   18. HarryAbles Posted: October 02, 2007 at 09:32 PM (#2556862)
Do you make your own park factors, and put everyone in those specific contexts? If so, how much extra work would it be to get out a neutral-park sheet too?

I'm so ungrateful. Thanks a frillion.
   19. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 02, 2007 at 09:40 PM (#2556875)
Yes. Much!
   20. Enrico Pallazzo Posted: October 02, 2007 at 10:39 PM (#2556923)
Jesse Litsch was fairly impressive this year, but I still don't get how that guy is projected to be above average. He doesn't seem (at least to me) to have all that impressive a repertoire. Maybe the opposition is hypnotized by his freckles and red hair.
   21. Justin T contains indigenous nudity Posted: October 02, 2007 at 10:50 PM (#2556936)
You can't hit somebody who doesn't have a soul. And ginger kids don't have souls.
   22. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 02, 2007 at 10:56 PM (#2556944)
You can't hit somebody who doesn't have a soul. And ginger kids don't have souls.

Red-headed stepchildren disagree.

Jesse Litsch was fairly impressive this year, but I still don't get how that guy is projected to be above average. He doesn't seem (at least to me) to have all that impressive a repertoire. Maybe the opposition is hypnotized by his freckles and red hair.

Jays have a good defense. I have Litsch with a 5.03 if he played for the Devil Rays.
   23. Gaelan Posted: October 03, 2007 at 01:52 PM (#2557453)
The problem with Hill is that you go through history, youngish 2B that aren't stars collectively have rather disappointing age trends. ZiPS is also quite skeptical that the power jump is for real.


That's interesting. Regarding the minor league track record, Hill now has three full seasons in the majors. When does minor league performance cease to be relevant?
   24. Frisco Cali Posted: October 03, 2007 at 07:58 PM (#2558246)
Man they suck offensively

How soon will Travis Snider be ready?
Does he have a twin?
   25. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 03, 2007 at 08:10 PM (#2558275)
When does minor league performance cease to be relevant?

He's getting there fairly soon.
   26. FBI Posted: October 04, 2007 at 03:49 PM (#2559906)
Dan
Great Work!
Any idea when all 30 will be posted?
   27. bsperounis Posted: October 11, 2007 at 07:33 PM (#2572092)
ZiPS is assuming that BJ Ryan is going to be completely healthy for all of 2008? That seems like a huge leap of faith giving that he just had Tommy John surgery in early May 2007. If BJ Ryan is able to pitch half the amount of innings and half as effectively as projected I will be surprised.
   28. Dixiechick Posted: October 16, 2007 at 11:28 PM (#2580103)
I certainly hope all those who bet on Towers to get a free Jersey, came through with a 10 buck donation to either the UA or the UJA or similar charity.

The focus on Aaron Hlll is kind of sad really. He's an offensively mediocre, defensively better than average, second baseman. Not much to get excited about.

But he is all that JP Ricciardi got out of four successive first rounds of drafting, from 2002 when he chose Russ Adams over Kazmir, Hamel, McCann, Francouer etc, to 2005 when he wasted a number 6 pick on Ricky Romero over Tulowitski or Maybin. JP's greatly diminished fanbase in Toronto tries to pretend that Aaron Hill comps to Jeff Kent or Paul Molitor, and that Adam LInd, Shaun Marcum and Casey Janssen are good value for 4 years of draft.

By contrast, Aaron Hill replaced Orlando Hudson who was taken in the 43rd round by Ash and Wilken.
   29. J. Lowenstein Apathy Club Posted: October 17, 2007 at 05:51 PM (#2581481)
Ah, yes, the Towers bet. Must do that now. Is that the price? $10 to charity? I think I already donated my $10, but it won't hurt to do another one. UJA sounds like a good cause, I've never donated to them before.

JP's greatly diminished fanbase in Toronto tries to pretend that Aaron Hill comps to Jeff Kent or Paul Molitor, and that Adam LInd, Shaun Marcum and Casey Janssen are good value for 4 years of draft.

You don't have to be a JP fan to think he's done fairly well out of the draft (I'm not). It's fashionable in Toronto now to pretend it's been a disaster, but it's not the case - the Jays have a very young, deep and talented pitching staff.
   30. J. Lowenstein Apathy Club Posted: October 17, 2007 at 05:56 PM (#2581496)
OK! Apparently I did already pony up my $10 (see the thread here for all those who should now do likewise) but I'm going to donate another $10 to the UJA - in reflection of my continuing support for Josh Towers. I hope they sign you in San Diego, Bulldog - you deserve to be somewhere you're wanted.
   31. Computers are smart Posted: October 19, 2007 at 03:24 AM (#2583968)
Glad to see Lind projecting to 400+ ABs ... hoping for 500+ personally, he is much better than Reed
   32. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: October 19, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2584640)
Computers are smart

But your first post wasn't. Oh well.
   33. J. Lowenstein Apathy Club Posted: October 25, 2007 at 01:55 PM (#2593033)
he is much better than Reed

Sparky had a terrible year, but he isn't a bad player. Great corner OF defense and a solid 1/2 hitter if he isn't hurt, good all-around skills (bunting, baserunning, that stuff) plus a great motivator and (anecdotally, in my opinion) a big-game player. He's much less than a star, not even an average regular, but he's not a bad player - of course, he's hurt all the damn time because of the way he plays, and his manager has to be able to keep him out of the lineup when he's not 100%.

So you need to have an alternative, which is why Lind is a great complement - he gives them a LH hitter who can take the big share of the platoon, and he's young enough that he is likelier to stay healthy. So you get all four types of platoon working together at once - a lefty/righty platoon, an offense/defense platoon, a young player/veteran platoon, and an "injured/healthy" platoon (as I call them).
   34. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 25, 2007 at 01:59 PM (#2593038)
I've never heard of him before, but "Chip Cannon" is a perfectly awesome baseball name.
   35. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:03 PM (#2593045)
Computers may be smart, but robots are strong. When they grab you with their claws you can't break free.
   36. aleskel Posted: October 25, 2007 at 02:07 PM (#2593050)
man, what happened to Overbay this year? He looked like the second coming of John Olerud in 2006
   37. Greg (U)K Posted: October 26, 2007 at 07:51 PM (#2595324)
Broken hand never fully healed is the excuse

He had a really slow start before that happened though...although he was finally picking it up in the 2-3 weeks before the injury.

When he came back he just never hit

I guess the Jays don't really have any options other than "hope it was all the hand"
   38. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 16, 2007 at 08:03 PM (#2617771)
Hey Dan, great work, but can you add defensive ratings here as well? Thanks!
   39. kwarren Posted: November 20, 2007 at 05:47 PM (#2621408)
Dan - any explanation for Hill's projection.

He has 1,660 plate appearances with a career OPS of .756 by age 25, with a .792 OPS in 07.

Yet ZIPS says .715 for 08. Wow.
   40. TheSlinger Posted: December 11, 2007 at 08:06 PM (#2641645)
Dan, thanks for the hard work. Could you please give me a projection of Casey Janssen as a starter, since he seems to be in the running (and IMO the far-and-away best choice) for the 5th starter position?
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