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Friday, February 05, 2010

2010 ZiPS Projections - Atlanta Braves

As of now, the Braves are my personal darkhorse pick in the NL. The infield should be solid, if unspectacular and while the outfield has been much criticized, there are enough bodies out there to patch an outfield good enough to keep from balancing out the strengths of the team. Jason Heyward forcing his way onto the team as soon as possible would allow a Hinske/Diaz platoon and let Cabrera fill in the remainder of outfield at-bats, a task he's qualified for.

Now, the team's a darkhorse for a reason as the Braves seriously contending does require a little luck with injuries because the positions where the team is most susceptible to boo-boos. Glaus missed almost the entire season with shoulder injuries and Jones is always an injury risk, but the team has very poor upper-minors depth at both positions. The rotation, if the projected 1-5 plays, is very strong and Hanson/Jar-Jar could be the new Smoltz/Glavine, but the team's 6-10 options on the mound aren't the best and Tim Hudson is still coming off major surgery.

Offensive Projections 

Name                     P  Age   AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS  OPS+ 
Chipper Jones#           3b  38  .295  .402  .465 115 400  66 118 21  1 15  58  74  69  2  0   132 
Brian McCann*            c   26  .288  .353  .497 144 511  66 147 36  1 23  95  50  81  2  0   125 
Matt Diaz                rf  32  .307  .364  .463 113 322  43  99 16  2 10  43  22  71  6  2   120 
Nate McLouth*            cf  28  .268  .355  .467 130 452  94 121 27  3 19  71  54  92 11  2   118 
Troy Glaus               3b  33  .252  .358  .441  91 313  45  79 15  1 14  60  51  76  1  0   113 
Yunel Escobar            ss  27  .294  .365  .416 142 531  82 156 28  2 11  67  54  74  4  4   109 
Martin Prado             2b  26  .300  .351  .439 131 453  66 136 30  3  9  53  35  60  2  2   110 
Jason Heyward*           rf  20  .275  .341  .429 119 448  69 123 25  4 12  53  45  85  6  1   105 
Eric Hinske*             rf  32  .237  .328  .420 105 257  40  61 15  1 10  36  31  66  3  1    99 
Mitch Jones              rf  32  .232  .307  .449  93 332  41  77 17  2 17  67  33 111  2  1   100 
Garret Anderson*         lf  38  .281  .320  .417 113 420  49 118 22  1 11  57  26  68  2  1    96 
Barbaro Canizares        1b  30  .271  .331  .396 107 409  43 111 22  1  9  53  35  65  1  1    94 
Melky Cabrera#           cf  25  .272  .329  .399 155 519  60 141 28  4 10  61  43  65 11  3    94 
Omar Infante             2b  28  .281  .333  .393  88 267  37  75 14  2  4  32  22  42  2  1    94 
Wes Timmons              1b  30  .243  .354  .343 107 338  56  82 20  1  4  38  47  38  7  3    88 
Freddie Freeman*         1b  20  .258  .321  .382 129 489  55 126 27  2 10  64  37  97  2  3    88 
Joey Thurston*           2b  30  .266  .331  .375 130 429  58 114 22  5  5  48  36  67  8  6    89 
Dave Ross                c   33  .222  .316  .389  73 198  25  44  9  0  8  24  27  61  0  0    88 
Greg Norton#             1b  37  .235  .340  .343 102 166  19  39  7  1  3  25  26  41  1  0    84 
Orlando Mercado          c   25  .251  .333  .350  87 283  26  71 14  1  4  42  34  41  0  1    84 
Brooks Conrad#           2b  30  .230  .304  .396 139 512  82 118 29  4 16  74  51 141  5  1    86 
Jordan Schafer*          cf  23  .227  .314  .367  74 264  33  60 12  2  7  26  33  89  5  2    82 
Gregor Blanco*           cf  26  .245  .337  .317 138 477  74 117 17  4  3  38  65 107 13  7    77 
Brent Clevlen            rf  26  .225  .289  .367 128 463  50 104 19  4 13  48  39 150  6  2    74 
Juan Gonzalez            2b  28  .233  .311  .320 108 347  36  81 16  1  4  40  37  90  3  1    71 
Diory Hernandez          ss  26  .253  .303  .346 117 431  42 109 21  2  5  48  26  80  7  7    74 
Eric Duncan*             3b  25  .235  .282  .350 113 408  42  96 21  1  8  43  26  90  2  2    69 
Luis Bolivar#            2b  29  .240  .285  .344 117 375  56  90 16  4  5  36  20  86 18  5    68 
Clint Sammons            c   27  .236  .289  .333 100 351  35  83 16  0  6  37  24  83  4  1    66 
Cody Johnson*            lf  21  .187  .260  .339 138 504  38  94 18  1 19  61  49 245  4  4    59 

Defensive Projections

Name               CThr 1b      2b      3b      ss      lf      cf      rf      
Jones#                                  Fr/103                                  
McCann*            Fr                                                           
Diaz                                                    Av/90           Fr/119  
McLouth*                                                Av/71   Fr/71   Av/71   
Glaus                   Av/80           Av/80                                   
Escobar                         Av/97   Av/97   Av/97                           
Prado                   Vg/103  Av/97   Av/77   Pr/87   Av/87                   
Heyward*                                                Vg/136  Fr/167  Vg/136  
Hinske*                 Av/101          Pr/125          Av/71           Av/71   
Jones                   Fr/199                          Pr/104          Pr/104  
Anderson*                                               Av/79                   
Canizares               Fr/152                                                  
Cabrera#                                                Vg/108  Av/93   Vg/108  
Infante                         Av/109  Av/107  Vg/157  Av/142  Av/142          
Timmons                 Av/60   Fr/85   Av/60                                   
Freeman*                Av/133                                                  
Thurston*                       Av/105  Av/122          Vg/44   Fr/44           
Ross               Vg                                                           
Norton#                 Fr/184                          Fr/159          Pr/159  
Mercado            Av   Fr/125                                                  
Conrad#                 Av/112  Av/134  Av/112  Pr/163  Av/112          Av/112  
Schafer*                                                Av/72   Av/72   Av/72   
Blanco*                                                 Vg/145  Av/123  Vg/145  
Clevlen                                                 Vg/159  Fr/138  Vg/159  
Gonzalez                        Fr/139  Av/118  Fr/118                          
Hernandez                       Av/110  Vg/126  Av/116                          
Duncan*                 Fr/130          Fr/163          Fr/130          Fr/130  
Bolivar#                Av/118  Fr/118  Av/118  Fr/118  Av/118          Av/118  
Sammons            Av                                                           
Johnson*                                                Fr/180                  

* - Bats Left
# - Switch Hitter

ODDIBE (Odds of Important Baseball Events)

Name               PO    EX    VG    AV    FR    PO          COMP 1          COMP 2          COMP 3
JonesChipper       3B   67%   27%    5%    1%    0%      DavisChili    BainesHarold     McGriffFred
McCannBrian         C   73%   21%    4%    1%    0%     NilssonDave  SteinbachTerry  MartinezVictor
DiazMatt           RF   24%   35%   20%   14%    7%        WardGaryWashingtonClaude    KellyRoberto
McLouthNate        CF   55%   23%   15%    6%    1%      MooreTerry  WyrostekJohnny      BakerDusty
PradoMartin        2B   37%   21%   18%   15%    9%       HillAaron        CashDave      AdairJerry
GlausTroy          3B   17%   40%   28%   11%    3%       MantoJeff  PetrocelliRico    VenturaRobin
EscobarYunel       SS   44%   28%   19%    7%    2%     LoganJohnny     ApplingLuke     TravisCecil
HeywardJason       RF    7%   22%   24%   27%   21%    WhiteRondellHollandsworthTod    MarkakisNick
AndersonGarret     LF    3%   10%   14%   24%   49%     JordanBrian     SierraRuben      GriffeyKen
InfanteOmar        2B   11%   16%   22%   28%   23%     GriffinDoug   SanchezFreddy      FonsecaLew
CanizaresBarbaro   1B    2%    5%   10%   31%   52%        GallJohn        BowieJim     RollinsRich
ThurstonJoe        2B    5%    7%   14%   28%   46% MorandiniMickey  AndersonMarlon      TaylorTony
FreemanFreddie     1B    0%    1%    3%   19%   76%      LoneyJames         DeSaJoeMelendezFrancisco
TimmonsWes         1B    0%    3%    5%   23%   69%      KammWillie     SuttonLarry     JohnsonRuss
ConradBrooks       2B    8%    9%   15%   26%   43%        YoungPep    SheldonScott    ValentinJose
RossDave            C    5%   20%   29%   32%   14%     TriandosGus    SeminickAndy       BrenlyBob
NortonGreg         1B    0%    1%    2%   17%   80%   MuellerHeinie     PrideCurtis    GonzalesRene
SchaferJordan      CF    2%    3%    9%   26%   60%      JavierStan      ReidJessie KnabenshueChris
BlancoGregor       CF    0%    1%    6%   22%   70%     ButlerBrett     RobertsDave     ManningRick
MazaLuis           2B    0%    1%    3%   13%   82%    CarrollJamey     CairoMiguel    MorrisWarren
HernandezDiory     SS    0%    2%    7%   23%   67%  PolcovichKevin       MaurerRon   VelandiaJorge
SammonsClint        C    0%    1%    4%   19%   75%    DifeliceMike       KratzErik   MoralesWillie
JohnsonCody        LF    0%    0%    0%    1%   99%    WilliamsJuan        HodgeTim        HustGary

Name              .300 BA .375 OBP .500 SLG 140 OPS+ 45 2B   10 3B   30 HR   30 SB
JonesChipper          44%     82%     23%     30%      0%      0%      2%      0%
McCannBrian           34%     23%     47%     23%     16%      0%     19%      0%
DiazMatt              60%     35%     20%     12%      0%      0%      0%      0%
McLouthNate           13%     23%     22%     12%      1%      0%      7%      0%
PradoMartin           49%     19%      9%      7%      3%      0%      0%      0%
GlausTroy              6%     28%     10%      6%      0%      0%      1%      0%
EscobarYunel          41%     36%      5%      5%      2%      0%      0%      0%
HeywardJason          17%     11%      5%      2%      0%      1%      0%      0%
AndersonGarret        29%      4%      8%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%
InfanteOmar           30%     11%      1%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%
CanizaresBarbaro      16%      7%      2%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%
ThurstonJoe           11%      6%      0%      0%      0%      7%      0%      0%
FreemanFreddie         6%      2%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
TimmonsWes             3%     21%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
ConradBrooks           1%      1%      3%      1%      1%      2%      2%      0%
RossDave               2%      7%      6%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
NortonGreg             6%     24%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
SchaferJordan          2%      3%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
BlancoGregor           2%      8%      0%      0%      0%      1%      0%      0%
MazaLuis               6%      1%      0%      0%      0%      1%      0%      0%
HernandezDiory         4%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
SammonsClint           1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
JohnsonCody            0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      3%      0%

Pitching Statistics - Starters

Name                     Age    ERA   W   L   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K ERA+ 
Thomas Hanson             23   3.19  14   7  31  31   172.1  141   61  17   68  177  136 
Jair Jurrjens             24   3.46  16   9  34  34   208.0  196   80  15   73  162  125 
Tim Hudson                34   3.94   8   5  19  19   112.0  118   49   9   30   65  115 
Kenshin Kawakami          35   3.94  11   9  28  23   166.2  164   73  19   50  127  110 
Derek Lowe                37   4.05  13  11  32  32   188.2  200   85  15   55  125  107 
Jose Ortegano*            22   4.90   6   7  26  19   101.0  111   55  10   44   70   92 
Scott Diamond*            23   5.09   7  10  25  25   138.0  157   78  14   65   87   89 
James Parr                24   5.11   4   5  22  16    91.2  102   52  13   34   62   88 
Jo-Jo Reyes*              25   5.21   4   6  19  18    95.0  102   55  13   48   69   87 
Edgar Osuna*              22   5.28   7  10  29  22   134.2  156   79  19   50   83   85 
Tom Glavine*              44   5.34   4   6  18  18    97.2  114   58  14   39   48   84 
Francisley Bueno*         29   5.38   3   4  28  12    78.2   94   47  10   33   46   84 
Jonny Venters*            25   5.42   5   7  21  18    96.1  108   58  10   58   55   83 
Todd Redmond              25   5.76   6  11  28  27   148.1  177   95  27   51   90   78 

Pitching Statistics - Relievers

Name                     Age    ERA   W   L   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K ERA+ 
Takashi Saito             40   2.72   5   1  52   0    53.0   42   16   5   19   56  161 
Billy Wagner*             38   3.00   2   1  37   0    36.0   29   12   3   11   44  150 
Peter Moylan              31   3.60   4   2  62   0    55.0   51   22   4   24   44  125 
Kris Medlen               24   4.31   8   7  42  13   108.2  112   52  11   40  101  105 
Eric O'Flaherty*          25   4.32   2   2  61   0    50.0   51   24   4   19   38  104 
Craig Kimbrel             22   4.35   2   2  37   0    41.1   36   20   4   30   48  104 
Buddy Carlyle             32   4.66   4   4  34   8    73.1   78   38   9   26   59   97 
Manny Acosta              29   4.71   4   4  56   1    65.0   67   34   7   37   51   96 
Scott Proctor             33   4.73   2   2  44   0    45.2   46   24   6   24   38   95 
Cory Gearrin              24   4.78   3   4  45   0    49.0   50   26   6   26   42   94 
Jesse Chavez              26   4.78   3   3  68   0    75.1   80   40  10   28   60   91 
Luis Valdez               26   4.88   5   6  66   0    86.2   94   47   9   42   69   92 
Mariano Gomez*            27   4.96   4   5  52   0    65.1   71   36   7   32   39   91 
Vladimir Nunez            35   5.12   3   4  44   4    82.2   88   47  10   45   61   88 
Michael Dunn*             25   5.21   3   5  44   0    76.0   75   44   9   56   73   88 
Stephen Marek             26   5.27   4   5  51   0    54.2   56   32   6   37   46   86 

* - Throws Left

ODDIBE (Odds of Important Baseball Events)

Player             PO       TOP   MID   BOT            COMP 1            COMP 2            COMP 3
HansonTommy        SP       93%    7%    0%     MartinezRamon        SmoltzJohn      YoumansFloyd
JurrjensJair       SP       88%   11%    1%        MadduxGreg IsringhausenJason         StiebDave
MoylanPeter        RP       60%   35%    4%        RiveraSaul          PowerTed        BaileyCory
HudsonTim          SP       66%   30%    3%        GarciaMike         LoweDerek    GalehouseDenny
KawakamiKenshin    SP       46%   51%    3%       TapaniKevin    SaberhagenBret     WilliamsWoody
LoweDerek          SP       38%   49%   14%      TewksburyBob       TapaniKevin        MorganMike
MedlenKris         SP       17%   64%   19%         AllenNeil       RobinsonDon       FisherBrian
O'FlahertyEric     RP       29%   47%   24%          OlwineEd       MoloneyBill     von OhlenDave
KimbrelCraig       RP       26%   43%   31%         ClearMark       LittellMark         PlunkEric
CarlyleBuddy       RP       10%   50%   40%      MeachamRusty        LeiterMark        NicholsRod
AcostaManny        RP       10%   46%   44%     PisciottaMarc       CorcoranRoy         LugoRuddy
ProctorScott       RP       11%   42%   46%      BochtlerDoug        HarrisGreg           WadeBen
GearrinCory        RP       10%   39%   52%         ShadeMike      BlasucciTony      SempriniJohn
ValdezLuis         RP        3%   41%   55% SlocumbHeathcliff     BravoFranklin      HannahsGerry
OrteganoJose       SP       16%   51%   33%         McGrawTom     AndersonAllan     CiccarellaJoe
GomezMariano       RP        5%   34%   61%   CumberlandChris    BarzillaPhilip    FerrariAnthony
DiamondScott       SP        7%   50%   43%       DanielsJohn       ChapmanJake     ThompsonDerek
ParrJames          SP       12%   46%   42%  KlingenbeckScott    FarnsworthKyle         ClarkMark
NunezVladimir      RP        6%   29%   65%        MahomesPat        JonesOdell         BrowerJim
LymanJeff          RP        3%   33%   64% SlocumbHeathcliff          WelchBob        LangdonTed
ReyesJo-Jo         SP        7%   42%   51%        RedmanMark         SmithZane   de la RosaJorge
MarekStephen       RP        4%   26%   70%         BanksJosh         ShadeMike       SikarasPete
OsunaEdgar         SP        3%   39%   58%    LorraineAndrew       MalaskaMark      ManningDerek
GlavineTom         SP        7%   35%   58%      FlanaganMike     WhitehillEarl       TananaFrank
BuenoFrancisley    SP        1%   22%   77%          OttoDave     MusselmanJeff         LeeRobert
VentersJonathan    SP        3%   32%   65%     ThompsonDerek         KubesGreg       AllenHarold
AbreuJuan          RP        4%   26%   70%     SchroderChris          GiardKen      SimpsonAllan
RedmondTodd        SP        0%   18%   81%      FranklinRyan        GuerraMark    AveretteRobert
CofieldKyle        SP        0%    9%   91%        MorelEdwin     PhillipsJason       LaxtonBrett

Player             130 ERA+  100 ERA+    K/9 >8  BB/9 <2   HR/9 <1
HansonTommy             67%       99%       89%       0%       74%
JurrjensJair            46%       97%       10%       1%       95%
MoylanPeter             52%       90%       19%       1%       91%
HudsonTim               31%       84%        1%      26%       90%
KawakamiKenshin         10%       77%        5%       7%       44%
LoweDerek               11%       61%        6%      14%       88%
MedlenKris              14%       70%       63%       1%       73%
O'FlahertyEric          22%       69%       12%       3%       89%
KimbrelCraig            19%       61%       94%       0%       75%
CarlyleBuddy             7%       53%       22%       3%       40%
AcostaManny              7%       42%       14%       0%       61%
ProctorScott             8%       37%       35%       0%       42%
GearrinCory             10%       40%       35%       0%       45%
ValdezLuis               2%       33%       16%       0%       66%
OrteganoJose             3%       32%        2%       0%       66%
GomezMariano             4%       33%        2%       0%       60%
DiamondScott             0%       21%        1%       0%       62%
ParrJames                1%       27%        1%       1%       24%
NunezVladimir            4%       26%       11%       0%       48%
LymanJeff                2%       23%       10%       0%       66%
ReyesJo-Jo               1%       21%        3%       0%       36%
MarekStephen             3%       24%       29%       0%       55%
OsunaEdgar               0%       11%        0%       1%       27%
GlavineTom               1%       20%        0%       2%       39%
BuenoFrancisley          1%       15%        1%       0%       51%
VentersJonathan          0%       11%        0%       0%       69%
AbreuJuan                2%       17%       55%       0%       44%
RedmondTodd              0%        3%        0%       1%        5%
CofieldKyle              0%        1%        0%       0%       57%

Extrapolated Career Statistics

Player              W     L     S   ERA      G     GS   IP      H     HR     BB     SO   ERA+
HudsonTim         193   116     0  3.66    429    428 2749   2702    223    832   1804    121
JurrjensJair      207   145     0  3.78    480    482 2892   2815    265   1068   2178    118
LoweDerek         188   160    85  3.97    687    408 2830   2914    233    812   1821    114

Name               BA  OBP  SLG    G    AB      R      H   2B  3B   HR  RBI    BB     SO  SB  CS OPS+
McCannBrian      .279 .346 .471 2307  8122    998   2270  532  11  335 1433   803   1363  30   3  116
EscobarYunel     .287 .360 .401 1933  7204   1088   2067  356  22  141  857   745   1072  51  55  104
GlausTroy        .253 .356 .475 1962  6930   1098   1751  362  14  383 1182  1090   1758  57  29  116
JonesChipper     .305 .405 .526 2594  9322   1697   2842  547  41  479 1654  1610   1498 150  44  141
McLouthNate      .255 .339 .434 1726  5867   1131   1495  333  30  220  802   655   1227 159  26  105
AndersonGarret   .293 .325 .460 2418  9490   1191   2782  569  38  311 1487   486   1360  84  50  103

All figures in % based on projection playing time 


Disclaimer:  ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance.  
Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors - 
many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2009.  
ZiPS is projecting equivalent production - a .240 ZiPS projection may end up 
being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example.  Whether or not a player will play 
is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting 
the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake.  
This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in
the offseason.  

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.46 ERA and the NL having a 4.41 ERA.

Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected.  More information
is always better than less information and a computer isn't what should be projecting
the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.

Positional offense is ranked by RC/27 and divided into quintiles based on what the 
most frequent starting players at each position did in 2007-2009.  Excellent is the top
quintile, Very Good the 2nd quintile and so on.

2010 ZiPS Projections Archive

Brewers
Cardinals
Cubs
Diamondbacks
Dodgers
Giants
Indians
Mariners
Marlins
Mets
Nationals
Orioles
Padres
Phillies
Pirates
Rangers
Rays
Red Sox
Reds
Rockies
Royals
Tigers
Twins
White Sox
Yankees

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   1. bigglou115  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:58 AM (#3454680)
I wonder how well Medlen's projection would translate to starting. I imagine that he's probably #6 in this rotation.
   2. Teal & Black Tie is Too Dangerous to Let Live  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 12:01 PM (#3454684)
Missing Yunel's offensive projection.
   3. Ryan Jones  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 12:02 PM (#3454686)
That's a really nice career line for McCann.
   4. Dayn  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 12:07 PM (#3454691)
Nice projection for Hanson.
   5. Rays&Sox;  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 12:12 PM (#3454700)
Since Soriano moved to the Rays after their projections were posted, can we get his projection here?
   6. Der Komminsk-sar  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 12:18 PM (#3454708)
Jurrjens' comps: Mad Dog, Izzy, and Stieb. Not shabby...
   7. bigglou115  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 12:34 PM (#3454724)
Nice projection for Hanson.


Yeah, 0% chance of being in the bottom group for a 23 YO entering his first full big league season? That's pretty sick.
   8. Maxwn  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 12:39 PM (#3454729)
I believe Yunel Escobar got left out of the offensive and defensive projections at the top. He's in the ODDIBE part but not in the top two charts.
   9. Barnaby Jones  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 12:42 PM (#3454732)
Saito and Wagner are missing from the ODDIBE sections.

Also, these projections are heartening.

Also, also, I cringe to see Garret Anderson still affiliated with the Braves.

Also, also, also, Edgar Osuna is on the Royals for the time being as a Rule 5 pick.
   10. Maxwn  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 12:45 PM (#3454734)
Also, also, I cringe to see Garret Anderson still affiliated with the Braves.

This.
   11. maverickdmb  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 12:58 PM (#3454746)
Does Javier Vazquez have a projection yet? Since he became a Yankee after their projections were done and is no longer a Brave I figure this is a good time to ask.
   12. BobbyS  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 01:24 PM (#3454770)
Since Soriano moved to the Rays after their projections were posted, can we get his projection here?


Same with Gonzalez after signing with the O's? Or some sweet separet TOs!

Braves look pretty good. I like the projection on Heyward, he'll be getting his chance to play every day now, and I think that's a pretty fair line for him,
   13. Accent Shallow  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 01:33 PM (#3454779)
Wow, ZiPS loves Hanson. I'll take the under on that ERA+.
   14. BobbyS  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 01:45 PM (#3454789)
Or some sweet separet TOs!


Er, separate. That was an ugly typo.
   15. Banta  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 01:46 PM (#3454790)
Hey Dan, do you have any idea when you'll have this years Zips spreadsheets available? Thanks in advance.
   16. ichiro51  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 02:11 PM (#3454803)
I like nearly every projection on here. Only 2 I don't like=Derek Lowe and Kris Medlen, I thought ZiPS might like them a little more than it does.
   17. Danny  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 02:32 PM (#3454823)
That's a healthy jump in K/9 for Jurrjens (6.3 career, 6.4 last year, 7.0 ZIPS). What's his projected BABIP?

He's been pulling a Zito the past couple years with a low BABIP and a low HR/FB rate.
   18. Mike Green  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 02:54 PM (#3454845)
Yunel Escobar is missing.

Excellent analysis, Dan. If Glaus and four of the starters are healthy, this club should be right there in September.
   19. Sessile Fielder (battlekow)  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 03:02 PM (#3454850)
Hey, is Yunel Escobar's projection missing? Why is no one talking about this?
   20. Teheran's Uranium Enriched Missiles  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 03:11 PM (#3454854)
Aint that a dandy set of comparables for Jurrjens?
IRRC, his #1 age comparison last year was Roger Clemens. I looked up their age 22 seasons on b-r. Were almost carbon copies. But Roger had a huge spike in the K rate starting the next year. Jurrjens obviously didn't, though ZiPS seems optimistic on that count.

This team has to have among the higher exposure to injuries. Their key hitters are old and injury prone( Glaus, Chipper ) or a catcher ( McCann ). And their best pitchers are starters under the age of 25. They could win the division or battle with the Gnats for last place.
   21. Dan Szymborski  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 03:24 PM (#3454858)
Yunel's in there now.

Gonzalez BAL - 3-2, 4.11 (ERA+ 111), 50.1 IP, 46 H, 7 HR, 22 BB, 54 K.

Soriano TB - 3-1, 3.25 (ERA+ 137), 55.1 IP, 44 H, 6 HR, 20 BB, 61 K.

Sorry about rather piss-poor transaction coverage this year. As I explained in another entry, I got very little done for about 6 weeks while I was very ill.
   22. maverickdmb  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 03:40 PM (#3454876)
What about Vazquez's projection?
   23. Mike Green  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 03:41 PM (#3454877)
Lowe is one of Hudson's comps, but Hudson isn't one of Lowe's. Recount.:)
   24. Dan Szymborski  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 03:54 PM (#3454885)
Vazquez NYA - 17-8, 3.53 (ERA+ 129), 209.1 IP, 192 H, 23 HR, 50 BB, 197 K.

ZiPS has always loved Vazquez.
   25. Al Kaline Trio  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 04:04 PM (#3454892)
Brian McCann 30 career SB to 3 CS wow! He really gets the most out of his "speed".
   26. Rays&Sox;  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 04:05 PM (#3454894)
Thanks Dan. I appreciate it.
   27. Boxkutter  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 04:11 PM (#3454898)
Wow, ZiPS loves Hanson. I'll take the under on that ERA+.


Awesome, because I definitely want the over. I like Hanson, but I just think it's pretty unlikely for him to put up an ERA under 3.20 in his first full season in the majors now that teams have more time to scout and prepare for him. I mean, he's not Tim Lincecum for Christ's sake ;)
   28. BobbyS  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 04:13 PM (#3454900)
Gonzalez BAL - 3-2, 4.11 (ERA+ 111), 50.1 IP, 46 H, 7 HR, 22 BB, 54 K.

Soriano TB - 3-1, 3.25 (ERA+ 137), 55.1 IP, 44 H, 6 HR, 20 BB, 61 K.


Thanks for the quick response, appreciate it!

I didn't know BAL makes pitchers digress that much :-/
   29. flournoy  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 04:16 PM (#3454903)
Brian McCann 30 career SB to 3 CS wow! He really gets the most out of his "speed".


That one is a pretty tough sell to me. He's already 12 SB to 3 CS so far. I can buy 18 more stolen bases for him during his career, but not zero more caught stealings.
   30. Dan Szymborski  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 04:26 PM (#3454906)
That should be 30-13. There's a 1 missing.
   31. Barnaby Jones  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 04:43 PM (#3454921)
Awesome, because I definitely want the over. I like Hanson, but I just think it's pretty unlikely for him to put up an ERA under 3.20 in his first full season in the majors now that teams have more time to scout and prepare for him. I mean, he's not Tim Lincecum for Christ's sake ;)


I think you misinterpreted what was meant by "under."
   32. Teal & Black Tie is Too Dangerous to Let Live  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 05:07 PM (#3454951)
Hey Dan, Yunel's projection is no longer missing. FYI.
   33. BobbyS  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 05:07 PM (#3454954)
Would it be possible to get a quick glance at the ZiPS for Kelvim Escobar as well? With all that missed time, and change of leagues, he's an interesting one.
   34. Ziggy  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 05:07 PM (#3454956)
Is Saito going to be the closer?
   35. Teheran's Uranium Enriched Missiles  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 05:37 PM (#3454988)
Thats a nice projection for Yunel, and that Luke Appling comp is good, if the Braves ever make the World Series! :)

So Saito and Wagner project to be way better than Soriano / Gonzalez for half the cost. One of those offseason moves I wasn't a fan of , but ZiPS likes it.

And also this. Funniest projection line after Chad Fox.

Cody Johnson* lf 21 .187 .260 .339 138 504 38 94 18 1 19 61 49 245 4 4 59

245 Ks! :)
   36. jfish26101  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 07:09 PM (#3455070)
Wow, must say I'm pretty surprised by several of these. Hanson had an amazing season and was a top prospect but a projected ERA+ 6 points below Greinke? That seems awfully optimistic or perhaps just shows again how much Greinke is underrated by the model.

Saito/Wagner and Gonzalez/Soriano surprises me as well, especially Wagner and Gonzalez. Of course Wagner's projected IP are very low but it's still surprising.

Glaus is a pleasant surprise, I'd take that at 1B definitely. I thought Hinske would be better but looking at him I guess I didn't really have a good reason for thinking that. Haha

Prado's defense surprises me a little at 2B, I thought he would have a Fr range rating and an error rating just below 100. I just don't think he is an average fielder at 2B.

Lowe and Kawakami got better projections than I thought they would, rotation really looks good with some combination of Hudson, Jurrjens, Hanson, Lowe, and Kawakami.

How many wins do you project this team to have? Phillies are probably still better but I think if those 2 teams (as projected) went up against each other head to head it would be pretty even.
   37. Best Dressed Chicken in Town  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 07:25 PM (#3455078)
I saw Hanson pitch about 5 innings last year so I can very confidently say he ain't all that.
   38. flournoy  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 07:42 PM (#3455091)
Hanson is probably the best pitcher since Lefty Grove, so the projection here is probably a little low.

So the numbers after the slash following the defensive ratings are "error ratings?" How does that work?
   39. jfish26101  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 07:44 PM (#3455092)
Hanson is probably the best pitcher since Lefty Grove, so the projection here is probably a little low.


Hanson is the best pitcher since 1940? I hope that was sarcasm that I just failed to pick up on because that is a ridiculous statement to make at this stage of his career.
   40. Dan Szymborski  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 08:08 PM (#3455100)
Wow, must say I'm pretty surprised by several of these. Hanson had an amazing season and was a top prospect but a projected ERA+ 6 points below Greinke? That seems awfully optimistic or perhaps just shows again how much Greinke is underrated by the model.

Don't forget, Greinke's also in the harder league and a team with a pretty lousy defense.
   41. DCA  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 08:26 PM (#3455105)
Gregor Blanco's comps are pretty good.
   42. TUQUE!!!!!!  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 08:26 PM (#3455106)
Hanson is the best pitcher since 1940? I hope that was sarcasm that I just failed to pick up on because that is a ridiculous statement to make at this stage of his career.

I actually think that underrates his talents. I personally think he will near-probably be the greatest pitcher of all time. How often do people his age post seasons like last year's?
   43. CC is in the best shape of (the rest of) his life  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 08:27 PM (#3455107)
So the numbers after the slash following the defensive ratings are "error ratings?" How does that work?


DMB breaks fielding into two ratings: "playmaking" (rated Pr, Fr, Av, Vg, Ex) and "error rate."

The latter is just the player's normalized rate of making errors; 100 is average, 150 is 50% more errors than average, etc.

So a typical Av/97 fielder is just barely above average overall, although that Av rating is something like a 12 run range, so Dan could be pegging Prado anywhere from +7 to -6 or so.

On that note: Dan, I love me some DMB, but for projection purposes I'd rather see something more UZR-ish with a run value rather than just a range rating - that way we know if two guys who are rated Av/100 and Fr/100 are 2 runs apart or 20...
   44. jfish26101  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 08:28 PM (#3455108)
I actually think that underrates his talents. I personally think he will near-probably be the greatest pitcher of all time. How often do people his age post seasons like last year's?

That has to be sarcasm. :D

Don't forget, Greinke's also in the harder league and a team with a pretty lousy defense.

How much difference do you think a good defense would make in Greinke's case? Like I've said before, I never expected a 200 ERA+ like he posted last year but 142 and seeing some of the others really surprises me. I know Greinke is in the more difficult league but that makes what he did last year that much more impressive.
   45. Teheran's Uranium Enriched Missiles  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 08:37 PM (#3455114)
I am curious about the defensive ratings, as to where you build them from. For example, plus minus had Yunel as a super freaky defender in 2008, and pretty good in 2009 ( Anecdotally, he was carrying some injuries in the first half, and some attitude issues, before a couple of Andruw style benchings led to a very steady defensive second half ). Even with the injuries, he posted a good plus/minus if I remember correctly.

As I said, just curious about the methodology, as defensive ratings are notoriously volatile.
   46. TUQUE!!!!!!  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 08:44 PM (#3455118)
That has to be sarcasm. :D

How do YOU know?

But probably, yes.
   47. Accent Shallow  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 08:44 PM (#3455119)
Awesome, because I definitely want the over. I like Hanson, but I just think it's pretty unlikely for him to put up an ERA under 3.20 in his first full season in the majors now that teams have more time to scout and prepare for him. I mean, he's not Tim Lincecum for Christ's sake ;)


Yeah, as Mr. Jones noted lower in the thread, I meant "a lower ERA+, and thus a higher ERA". Too bad, because I am very pro-BR sponsorship.
   48. flournoy  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 08:50 PM (#3455123)
Okay, fine, so not the best pitcher since Grove. Since Spahn, then, maybe?
   49. Voxter has been stripped of his spark.  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 09:02 PM (#3455130)
Hanson is the best pitcher since 1940? I hope that was sarcasm that I just failed to pick up on because that is a ridiculous statement to make at this stage of his career.


Actually, it's irony, not sarcasm.

/pedantic jerk again
   50. CFBF Is Self-Medicating With Ass Kicking Hellfire  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 09:09 PM (#3455131)
Gregor Blanco is such a fun, weird player. I'd like to see some team give him 150 games and 500+ at-bats, just to see what would happen. I just don't want that team to be the Braves.
   51. PreservedFish  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 09:11 PM (#3455134)
Actually, it's irony, not sarcasm.

/pedantic jerk again



Can you explain the difference? It has always confused me.
   52. flournoy  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 09:12 PM (#3455135)
What's especially fun about Blanco? Dan projects him to have 24 extra base hits in 2010, which is about 22 more than I'd expect. I don't think he'll ever match his 2008 walk rate, either.

Though if he did, I guess that could be the fun part. .250/.350/.300 is a pretty weird line.
   53. Voxter has been stripped of his spark.  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 09:13 PM (#3455136)
I think it's like rectangles and squares. All squares are rectangles, but not all squares are rectangles.

My understanding is that sarcasm always has a derisive intent, but irony does not.
   54. Dan Szymborski  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 09:25 PM (#3455138)
In the NL, Greinke projection in the 145-155 range.
   55. jfish26101  Posted: February 05, 2010 at 09:34 PM (#3455142)
So how many wins are the Braves projected to have? Seems like a very solid team across the board (offense, defense, SP and RP). Seems like it would be the third highest in the NL behind the Dodgers/Phillies.
   56. CFBF Is Self-Medicating With Ass Kicking Hellfire  Posted: February 06, 2010 at 01:12 PM (#3455322)
What's especially fun about Blanco? Dan projects him to have 24 extra base hits in 2010, which is about 22 more than I'd expect. I don't think he'll ever match his 2008 walk rate, either.


He hit .251/.366/.309 with 74 walks and 99 strikeouts in 430 at-bats. Basically, Gregor Blanco is what happens when a hitter decides he won't swing until the count is 3-2. He's a slap hitting hitting speedster who strikes out like a power hitter. That sort of stubbornness is a validation of the human spirit.
   57. Dock Ellis on Acid  Posted: February 06, 2010 at 01:20 PM (#3455326)
Can you explain the difference? It has always confused me.

Being sarcastic is saying "Oh, it's such a lovely day outside," when it's cold and rainy and miserable. Irony is having 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.
   58. Zhock  Posted: February 06, 2010 at 02:03 PM (#3455343)

I think it's like rectangles and squares. All squares are rectangles, but not all squares are rectangles.


You botched that, but yeah, sarcasm is a form of verbal irony.
   59. Sam Hutcheson would prefer to be called Diego  Posted: February 06, 2010 at 06:47 PM (#3455465)
I'll take the over on: Glaus, Escobar & Tim Hudson

I'll take the under on: Hanson, Martin Prado

I don't know if Jason Heyward will be over or under, but my gut instinct for him is that he'll either under-perform or destroy that line. If he doesn't falter badly with the ML transition - i.e. he plays in Atlanta and doesn't post 85ish OPS+ - he'll post a 120 or higher.
   60. Voxter has been stripped of his spark.  Posted: February 06, 2010 at 06:52 PM (#3455467)
You botched that, but yeah, sarcasm is a form of verbal irony.


I certainly did, didn't I?
   61. Colin  Posted: February 07, 2010 at 11:48 PM (#3455852)
Odd that Hanson is projected to pitch so well, but only average 5.5 IP/start.
   62. Zhock  Posted: February 07, 2010 at 11:51 PM (#3455854)
Heh
   63. kwarren  Posted: February 09, 2010 at 08:12 PM (#3457387)
Hanson is the best pitcher since 1940? I hope that was sarcasm that I just failed to pick up on because that is a ridiculous statement to make at this stage of his career.



Actually, it's irony, not sarcasm.

/pedantic jerk again


It's hyperbole, not sarcasm or irony

(another pedantic jerk)
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