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Monday, October 26, 2009

2010 ZiPS Projections - Boston Red Sox

What can you say about the Red Sox? They're a solid organization, willing to invest in the team, and despite getting swept in the first round of the playoffs, they still went 95-67 in a tough division.

The Sox will need to replace Jason Bay's bat somehow. Bay's unfortunately probably not going to be worth the Teixeira numbers being tossed around thanks to pretty poor defense and there's simply no star bats coming up through the system at this moment. The team was obviously hoping for a breakthrough season in the minors for Lars Anderson, but he instead hit like a utility infielder. Reddick's not going to be a Bay replacement and neither will Ryan Kalish (whose projection I now notice is missing and I will add), so the team's going to have to be creative. Luckily, the team tends to be creative.

Offensive Projections 

Name                     P  Age   AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS  OPS+ 
Kevin Youkilis           1b  31  .282  .384  .491 137 507  84 143 30  2 24  83  74 120  5  3   127 
Jason Bay                lf  31  .268  .368  .507 146 537 103 144 26  3 32 110  81 153 10  2   126 
David Ortiz*             dh  34  .260  .366  .507 127 473  74 123 28  1 29  86  79 107  1  1   126 
Victor Martinez#         c   31  .297  .369  .470 125 481  58 143 30  1 17  73  54  66  0  0   118 
J.D. Drew*               rf  34  .264  .381  .459 120 405  70 107 22  3 17  57  75  99  3  3   119 
Dustin Pedroia           2b  26  .306  .372  .451 148 594  97 182 40  2 14  65  59  47 16  4   114 
Casey Kotchman*          1b  27  .280  .348  .430 123 407  49 114 26  1 11  58  39  45  1  1   102 
Mike Lowell              3b  36  .282  .335  .453 114 433  51 122 24  1 16  68  36  61  2  1   104 
Chris Carter*            1b  27  .281  .335  .429 130 501  56 141 27  1 15  67  40  82  1  0    98 
Jacoby Ellsbury*         cf  26  .290  .344  .398 143 580  86 168 23  8  8  51  43  75 53 10    94 
Jeff Bailey              1b  31  .258  .345  .415 108 388  53 100 18  2 13  43  45  92  3  2    98 
Rocco Baldelli           rf  28  .261  .323  .453  66 203  30  53 10  1  9  30  15  51  3  1   100 
George Kottaras*         c   27  .239  .316  .382  86 280  33  67 17  1  7  31  32  73  0  0    82 
Jason Varitek#           c   38  .220  .323  .370 106 354  35  78 15  1 12  41  51 102  0  1    81 
Jed Lowrie#              ss  26  .247  .318  .372 100 352  41  87 22  2  6  42  38  78  2  1    80 
Jon van Every*           cf  30  .226  .301  .393  74 239  29  54  9  2  9  27  24  94  3  2    80 
Mark Wagner              c   26  .250  .308  .363  96 372  35  93 24  0  6  44  30  71  1  1    75 
Aaron Bates              1b  26  .244  .313  .344 124 479  50 117 22  1  8  48  37 122  1  0    72 
Joey Gathright*          cf  29  .272  .339  .321 120 368  58 100 11  2  1  28  32  57 21  9    75 
Angel Chavez             3b  28  .269  .301  .372 124 465  48 125 25  1  7  48  20  65  5  3    75 
Josh Reddick*            cf  23  .248  .295  .386 116 448  49 111 19  5 11  44  30 103  7  4    77 
Travis Denker            2b  24  .244  .312  .345 122 426  47 104 24  2  5  43  41  89  4  2    72 
Carlos Maldonado         c   31  .247  .311  .353  49 150  15  37  7  0  3  22  14  31  0  0    74 
Dusty Brown              c   27  .244  .310  .343  88 315  26  77 14  1  5  31  29  80  0  0    71 
Ivan Ochoa#              ss  27  .252  .320  .338  82 266  36  67 10  2  3  19  22  55 11  4    73 
Nick Green               ss  31  .241  .294  .377 106 332  35  80 16  1  9  36  21  87  2  4    74 
Brian Anderson           cf  28  .238  .301  .372 111 282  35  67 15  1  7  26  23  77  4  5    75 
Sea Bass Gonzalez        ss  33  .245  .289  .367 107 376  45  92 20  1  8  45  21  72  1  1    70 
Yamaico Navarro          ss  22  .247  .293  .352  95 381  37  94 18  2  6  38  23  85  5  5    68 
Lars Anderson*           1b  22  .227  .299  .326 126 494  47 112 23  1  8  48  51 138  1  0    64 
Gil Velazquez            ss  30  .245  .287  .344  97 302  35  74 14  2  4  27  17  59  3  2    65 
Chris Woodward           ss  34  .243  .301  .321  87 243  26  59 11  1  2  22  19  49  2  1    63 
Luis Exposito            c   23  .239  .279  .351 105 419  34 100 21  1  8  44  21 103  2  2    64 

Defensive Projections

Name               CThr 1b      2b      3b      ss      lf      cf      rf      
Youkilis                Av/62           Fr/87                                   
Bay                                                     Pr/92                   
Ortiz*                  Pr/130                                                  
Martinez#          Fr   Fr/100                                                  
Drew*                                                                   Vg/101  
Pedroia                         Vg/78                                           
Kotchman*               Av/59                                                   
Lowell                                  Av/91                                   
Carter*                 Pr/146                          Pr/108          Pr/137  
Ellsbury*                                               Vg/44   Av/94   Vg/44   
Bailey                  Av/130                          Fr/166          Fr/166  
Baldelli                                                Av/105  Av/118  Av/105  
Kottaras*          Fr                                                           
Varitek#           Pr                                                           
Lowrie#                         Av/108  Av/108  Av/108                          
van Every*                                              Av/75   Fr/75   Av/75   
Wagner             Vg                                                           
Bates                   Av/129                          Av/206                  
Gathright*                                              Vg/94   Vg/89           
Chavez                          Fr/120  Av/93   Fr/101                          
Reddick*                                                Av/121  Fr/173  Av/143  
Denker                          Av/137  Av/121                                  
Maldonado          Av                                                           
Brown              Fr                                                           
Ochoa#                          Vg/167          Fr/121                          
Green                           Fr/116  Fr/120  Fr/130  Fr/120  Pr/120  Fr/120  
Anderson                                                Vg/87   Av/87   Vg/87   
Gonzalez                                        Av/100                          
Navarro                         Av/140  Av/140  Av/140                          
Anderson*               Fr/132                                                  
Velazquez               Vg/114  Fr/114  Vg/114  Fr/94   Av/114                  
Woodward                Vg/136  Av/136  Vg/136  Av/91   Av/100          Av/100  
Exposito           Fr                                                           

* - Bats Left
# - Switch Hitter

ODDIBE (Odds of Important Baseball Events)

Name               PO    EX    VG    AV    FR    PO          COMP 1          COMP 2          COMP 3
YoukilisKevin      1B   26%   41%   21%   10%    2%       HodgesGil       LeeDerrek       SalmonTim
BayJason           LF   38%   31%   17%   10%    3%      AllisonBob      KinerRalph      BondsBobby
OrtizDavid         DH   24%   37%   21%   13%    4%   NicholsonBill     EvansDwight      OglivieBen
PedroiaDustin      2B   60%   20%   12%    6%    1%         HuntRon        CashDave     HermanBilly
MartinezVictor      C   57%   31%    9%    4%    0%      BatteyEarl       DavisSpud     LollarSherm
DrewJ.D.           RF   22%   35%   20%   15%    8%     MurcerBobby      GilesBrian YastrzemskiCarl
EllsburyJacoby     CF   26%   31%   30%   11%    2%         LawRudy     FinleySteve    RiversMickey
LowellMike         3B    7%   23%   31%   27%   12%  RobinsonBrooks        BooneRay        BoyerKen
KotchmanCasey      1B    2%    8%   14%   43%   34%    GrimmCharlie       LeachRick     BurnhamGary
CarterChris        RF    3%    9%   14%   28%   45% CromartieWarren         HallMel      MayDerrick
BaldelliRocco      RF    4%   10%   13%   28%   44%   MontgomeryRay       GrieveTom       BowensSam
BaileyJeff         1B    2%    7%   12%   36%   42%       TolmanTim        MorganEd      ConineJeff
KottarasGeorge      C    1%    7%   20%   41%   31%    LaforestPete  HattebergScott  SchneiderBrian
LowrieJed          SS    1%    6%   22%   37%   33%       RiggsEric   StillwellKurt  NicholsonKevin
GathrightJoey      CF    0%    0%    3%   20%   77%      TynerJason    ThompsonMilt     ManningRick
ChavezAngel        3B    0%    1%    3%    8%   89%        DuganJoe      KaskoEddie    RodriguezVic
van EveryJonathan  CF    1%    2%    7%   20%   69%      MapesCliff  RosenthalLarry   RobersonKevin
VaritekJason        C    2%    9%   17%   33%   39%      WhittERnie  TebbettsBirdie        ReedJeff
ReddickJosh        CF    0%    0%    4%   19%   76%     BostonDaryl    LongTerrence        PieFelix
OchoaIvan          SS    1%    2%   11%   35%   51%  CabreraJolbert   WilsonBrandon    PatekFreddie
WagnerMark          C    0%    2%    7%   32%   59%       BatheBill MaldonadoCarlos    FordyceBrook
MaldonadoCarlos     C    0%    1%    4%   26%   68%        SwiftBob      TillmanBob    WebsterLenny
BatesAaron         1B    0%    0%    0%    1%   99%  CarpenterGlenn      DavisTommy       HarveyKen
DenkerTravis       2B    0%    0%    1%    9%   90% GarrisonWebster         FordHod        WotusRon
BrownDusty          C    0%    1%    3%   23%   73%     ParrishDave      EspinoJuan    LiddleSteven
GonzalezAlex       SS    1%    3%    9%   22%   65%      CastroJuan       SuderPete     MartinBilly
GreenNick          SS    0%    2%    9%   23%   66%       GagneGreg      AguayoLuis     AlfaroJesus
AndersonBrian      CF    0%    0%    1%    7%   92%     BufordDamon  SandersAnthony    HollinsDamon
NavarroYamaico     SS    0%    0%    2%   12%   86%       MorseMike    SalazarOscar    MontanezLuis
VelazquezGil       SS    0%    1%    2%    9%   87%    GarciaCarlos     HalterShane     Lo DucaPaul
WoodwardChris      SS    0%    0%    3%   13%   84%    ClaytonRoyce     GerberWally    BelangerMark
AndersonLars       1B    0%    0%    0%    0%  100%     DuncanChris       LeachNick      NelsonBrad
ExpositoLuis        C    0%    0%    0%    6%   93%        DiazMike    CotaHumbertoRodriguezGuillermo

Name              .300 BA .375 OBP.500 SLG 140 OPS+  45 2B   10 3B   30 HR   30 SB
YoukilisKevin         25%     62%     42%     22%      3%      0%     23%      0%
BayJason              16%     38%     42%     24%      3%      0%     51%      0%
OrtizDavid             8%     42%     52%     21%      2%      0%     39%      0%
PedroiaDustin         59%     46%     15%      7%     29%      0%      2%      1%
MartinezVictor        41%     43%     21%     10%      3%      0%      6%      0%
DrewJ.D.              14%     59%     21%     13%      0%      6%      2%      0%
EllsburyJacoby        33%      8%      0%      0%      0%     21%      0%     98%
LowellMike            23%      8%     12%      1%      0%      0%      2%      0%
KotchmanCasey         21%     16%      8%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%
CarterChris           25%      5%      6%      1%      1%      0%      1%      0%
BaldelliRocco         12%      6%     20%      2%      0%      0%      0%      0%
BaileyJeff            10%     15%      5%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%
KottarasGeorge         2%      3%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
LowrieJed              3%      3%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
GathrightJoey         14%      8%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      8%
ChavezAngel           10%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
van EveryJonathan      0%      1%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
VaritekJason           0%      3%      3%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
ReddickJosh            1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      4%      0%      0%
OchoaIvan              6%      4%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
WagnerMark             3%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
MaldonadoCarlos        8%      5%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
BatesAaron             0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
DenkerTravis           1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
BrownDusty             2%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
GonzalezAlex           4%      1%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
GreenNick              2%      0%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
AndersonBrian          1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
NavarroYamaico         1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
VelazquezGil           4%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
WoodwardChris          5%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
AndersonLars           0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
ExpositoLuis           0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%

Pitching Statistics - Starters

Name                     Age    ERA   W   L   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K ERA+ 
Josh Beckett              30   3.96  15   9  32  32   206.2  202   91  22   44  194  119 
Jon Lester*               26   4.00  13   8  33  33   200.1  200   89  19   64  175  118 
Clay Buchholz             25   4.46  11   8  31  30   161.1  165   80  16   60  123  106 
Daisuke Matsuzaka         29   4.62  10   8  25  25   136.1  139   70  16   61  121  103 
Tim Wakefield             43   4.75  11  10  26  26   153.1  161   81  19   52   87  100 
Michael Bowden            23   5.11   6   7  30  26   135.2  154   77  16   50   77   92 
Paul Byrd                 39   5.25   6   7  18  18   108.0  136   63  17   24   48   90 
Junichi Tazawa            24   5.51  10  12  27  25   130.2  164   80  17   41   79   85 
Devern Hansack            32   5.56   5   6  19  16    90.2  103   56  14   31   53   85 
Adam Mills                25   5.63   8  11  27  27   139.0  183   87  17   36   58   84 
Felix Doubront*           22   5.86   7  11  27  27   118.1  147   77  16   55   70   81 
Charlie Zink              30   6.34   7  13  27  25   137.2  169   97  17   79   47   74 
Kris Johnson*             25   6.44   7  12  27  27   123.0  163   88  15   62   58   74 
Enrique Gonzalez          27   6.48   6  11  31  21   126.1  169   91  20   62   65   73 

Pitching Statistics - Relievers

Name                     Age    ERA   W   L   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K ERA+ 
Jon Papelbon              29   2.85   4   1  66   0    66.1   55   21   6   18   78  166 
Takashi Saito             40   3.40   4   2  52   0    50.1   46   19   5   19   48  139 
Billy Wagner*             38   3.57   1   1  37   0    35.1   31   14   4   12   38  136 
Hideki Okajima*           34   3.58   4   2  65   0    60.1   56   24   7   20   54  130 
Ramon Ramirez             28   4.11   5   3  68   0    65.2   63   30   6   29   54  115 
Manny Delcarmen           28   4.13   3   2  70   0    69.2   67   32   6   31   59  113 
Daniel Bard               25   4.24   3   2  56   0    68.0   59   32   7   31   77  111 
Javier Lopez*             32   4.85   2   2  62   0    52.0   59   28   5   23   28   96 
Fernando Cabrera          28   5.07   2   2  42   0    49.2   53   28   6   29   44   92 
Dustin Richardson*        26   5.09   2   2  47   0    69.0   69   39   6   48   63   93 
Randor Bierd              26   5.12   2   2  34   5    58.0   66   33   7   24   40   92 
Hunter Jones*             26   5.24   2   3  31   0    46.1   53   27   5   20   29   91 
Marcus McBeth             29   5.47   2   3  44   0    51.0   56   31   7   25   36   86 
Billy Traber*             30   5.71   4   6  46   5    75.2   97   48  10   26   35   82 
Richard Lentz             25   6.17   2   3  40   0    54.0   56   37   6   50   48   77 
Jose Vaquedano            28   6.34   2   4  42   0    59.2   73   42   8   38   27   74 

* - Throws Left

ODDIBE (Odds of Important Baseball Events)

Player             PO       TOP   MID   BOT            COMP 1            COMP 2            COMP 3
PapelbonJonathan   RP       92%    7%    0%         GagneEric     FingersRollie          HenkeTom
SaitoTakashi       RP       73%   23%    3%      PaigeSatchel     AndersenLarry       WilhelmHoyt
WagnerBilly        RP       59%   34%    6%     RemlingerMike         McGrawTug        CookDennis
OkajimaHideki      RP       58%   37%    5%       LavelleGary        EmbreeAlan      RhodesArthur
BeckettJosh        SP       74%   25%    1%     SchillingCurt     VazquezJavier       HarangAaron
LesterJon          SP       72%   28%    1%      SwindellGreg      SabathiaC.C.        BurnsBritt
RamirezRamon       RP       35%   54%   11%         SelmaDick    CarrascoHector     WilliamsFrank
DelcarmenManny     RP       33%   53%   14%         SelmaDick    CarrascoHector     WilliamsFrank
BardDaniel         RP       30%   55%   15%         SotoMario    BedrosianSteve       JacksonMike
BuchholzClay       SP       44%   51%    5%     ArmstrongJack         MathisRon          WittMike
MatsuzakaDaisuke   SP       37%   54%   10%        DeLeonJose      SchmidtJason       GardnerMark
WakefieldTim       SP       33%   50%   17%     HershiserOrel        MorganMike         ForschKen
LopezJavier        RP       14%   42%   44%     MirabellaPaul      EarleyArnold  SchoeneweisScott
RichardsonDustin   RP        6%   44%   50%      FuentesBrian    AlmanzaArmando       ReyesDennys
BowdenMichael      SP       11%   59%   30%       NagyCharles        JonesJimmy     BurdickStacey
BierdRandor        RP        7%   43%   50%     FrohwirthTodd  PichardoHipolito        GardnerLee
CabreraFernando    RP        6%   40%   54%      VasquezJorge     WilliamsFrank          BestKarl
JonesHunter        RP        7%   36%   57%      HorsmanVince       MoloneyBill       McDillAllen
ByrdPaul           SP       17%   43%   40%         KremerRay    AlexanderDoyle        BunningJim
McBethMarcus       RP        3%   28%   69%         DorseyJim      HarvilleChad        BatemanJoe
TazawaJunichi      SP        3%   44%   52%     GermanoJustin   RamirezElizardo   SonnanstineAndy
HansackDevern      SP        5%   37%   58%      BaldwinJames    RodriguezNerio        JonesBobby
MillsAdam          SP        2%   36%   62%        ColemanJoe          WiseRick     TelghederDave
TraberBilly        RP        3%   24%   73%    OvermireStubby          KeyChris       HortonRicky
DoubrontFelix      SP        1%   24%   75%      BresterJason      BorrellDanny       GoslingMike
LentzRichard       RP        1%   10%   89%       SadlerBilly    PimentelRafael        KayeJustin
ZinkCharlie        SP        0%    9%   91%        FowlerDick    JeffersonJesse          BlackDon
VaquedanoJose      RP        1%    8%   91%       ArnoldJamie      McLearyMarty      BumsteadMike
JohnsonKristofer   SP        0%    7%   93%        WhislerWes       RichardJ.R.       ChapmanJake
GonzalezEnrique    SP        0%    6%   94%    CallawayMickey    FarnsworthJeff     JacksonSteven

Player             130 ERA+  100 ERA+    K/9 >8  BB/9 <2   HR/9 <1
PapelbonJonathan        92%      100%       98%      30%       75%
SaitoTakashi            66%       95%       63%       6%       78%
WagnerBilly             59%       90%       86%      16%       70%
OkajimaHideki           51%       91%       55%       8%       65%
BeckettJosh             31%       93%       66%      62%       65%
LesterJon               27%       93%       42%       5%       73%
RamirezRamon            29%       81%       23%       1%       70%
DelcarmenManny          27%       78%       34%       0%       84%
BardDaniel              24%       80%       95%       0%       69%
BuchholzClay             9%       73%        8%       0%       71%
WakefieldTim             9%       59%        0%      23%       47%  
MatsuzakaDaisuke         8%       65%       45%       0%       47%
LopezJavier             14%       49%        1%       2%       79%
RichardsonDustin         4%       37%       54%       0%       84%
BowdenMichael            1%       29%        0%       1%       48%
BierdRandor              5%       36%        3%       1%       53%
CabreraFernando          6%       38%       43%       0%       61%
JonesHunter              5%       36%        1%       1%       61%
ByrdPaul                 4%       31%        0%      58%       27%
McBethMarcus             2%       19%        5%       0%       39%
TazawaJunichi            0%       15%        0%       5%       36%
HansackDevern            0%       13%        0%       3%       18%
MillsAdam                0%        9%        0%      25%       38%
TraberBilly              2%       19%        0%       7%       38%
DoubrontFelix            0%        6%        0%       0%       31%
LentzRichard             0%        8%       43%       0%       57%
ZinkCharlie              0%        2%        0%       0%       44%
VaquedanoJose            0%        5%        0%       0%       41%
JohnsonKristofer         0%        1%        0%       0%       44%
GonzalezEnrique          0%        1%        0%       0%       13%

Extrapolated Career Statistics

Name               BA  OBP  SLG    G    AB      R      H   2B  3B   HR  RBI    BB     SO  SB  CS OPS+
VaritekJason     .252 .339 .424 1709  5673    699   1427  327  17  206  809   708   1375  25  22   95
KotchmanCasey    .270 .338 .409 1235  4049    471   1093  243  11   99  561   382    433  17  14   95
LowellMike       .278 .339 .462 2086  7714    985   2143  495  13  300 1250   706   1075  39  21  108
PedroiaDustin    .292 .359 .426 2347  9380   1502   2742  586  25  207  936   932    777 225  63  104
YoukilisKevin    .277 .377 .466 1675  6096    989   1688  374  24  244  944   867   1411  50  38  118
BayJason         .263 .361 .486 1889  6886   1211   1810  354  38  369 1284  1011   1971 128  27  119
DrewJ.D.         .272 .383 .479 1988  6618   1210   1797  353  61  299  977  1163   1516  98  54  122
EllsburyJacoby   .284 .339 .388 1716  6888   1027   1957  268  80   95  587   526    905 541 117   89
OrtizDavid       .269 .368 .521 2177  7881   1290   2119  529  20  472 1515  1239   1728  15  13  127

Player              W     L     S   ERA      G     GS   IP      H     HR     BB     SO   ERA+
BeckettJosh       220   162     0  4.13    496    495 3133   3040    363    829   2929    112
ByrdPaul          123   111     0  4.52    385    296 1929   2154    283    454   1028    102
LesterJon         201   133     0  4.15    526    521 3136   3137    344   1096   2822    114
MatsuzakaDaisuk   109    96     0  4.64    272    272 1508   1517    190    710   1372    102
PapelbonJonatha    48    25   490  2.83    951      3  975    813     92    275   1130    155
WagnerBilly        45    41   443  2.57    917      0  960    683     91    324   1230    168
WakefieldTim      200   171    22  4.35    587    446 3079   2990    391   1172   2064    108 

All figures in % based on projection playing time 


Disclaimer:  ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance.  
Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors - 
many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2009.  
ZiPS is projecting equivalent production - a .240 ZiPS projection may end up 
being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example.  Whether or not a player will play 
is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting 
the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake.  
This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in
the offseason.  

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.46 ERA and the NL having a 4.41 ERA.

Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected.  More information
is always better than less information and a computer isn't what should be projecting
the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.

Positional offense is ranked by RC/27 and divided into quintiles based on what the 
most frequent starting players at each position did in 2007-2009.  Excellent is the top
quintile, Very Good the 2nd quintile and so on.

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   1. Craig K  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 05:15 PM (#3366909)
In other words, Dustin Pedroia's going to the Hall on the first ballot.
   2. STEAGLES came to play  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 05:19 PM (#3366917)
i've got a question for people who've tracked junichi tazawa this season. he'll be a free agent in my sim league this offseason, and i'm considering putting out a 5 year, $6 million offer. basically, all i want to know is if he has enough upside to be worth anywhere near that amount of coin.

my salary cap will be in the area of 130 million, so the cash isn't gonna be a problem. his talent would be the only issue.
   3. Russlan wants Pedro to be a Met again  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 05:43 PM (#3366936)
Lester's peripherals don't seem to match his ERA.
   4. danielj  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 05:59 PM (#3366949)
So, Bay is basically the dangerous FA that will get too many $ and too many years this winter? IOW, a Met.
   5. Travolta19  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:01 PM (#3366951)
Re: Tazawa

I would say that if you could get him at that, it would be a steal. I don't see any reason he can't be at least a solid #4SP, and those fetch $4-5M/year in my league. That said, if your league is anything like mine (mirrors MLB, 30 teams, etc), there's not a chance you get him at that price.
   6. the Tuque of Flatbush  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:16 PM (#3366959)
I know of one free agent left fielder who would be a great fit for the Red Sox...

...

...

......Barry Bonds.
   7. Mister High Standards  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:17 PM (#3366960)
Take the under on Lester. Bank on it.
   8. John DiFool2  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:22 PM (#3366964)
Jacoby Ellsbury* 26 .290 .344 .398


His career line is better than this across the board, yet the system expects him to regress, a year or so before his peak?

The top OPS+ numbers should be troubling-not that the Sox can't win with 6 guys being above 110 (they can), but you have to expect some dropoffs here and there (Law of Competitive Balance and all that), such that it is a bit more comforting to have a truly elite hitter (still in his prime) in there who can carry the team. 4 of them were above 130 last year, but with the top ones in the projection maxed out around 127, they'll need someone else to pick up the slack, but I'm not sure who (VMart as the mostly full-time C will help of course).

Lester has had a ~3.30 ERA the past two years, and the K rate in '09 was no fluke, so yeah.
   9. Nasty Nate  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:25 PM (#3366965)
Take the under on Lester. Bank on it.


on ERA or ERA+ ?
   10. STEAGLES came to play  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:27 PM (#3366966)

I would say that if you could get him at that, it would be a steal. I don't see any reason he can't be at least a solid #4SP, and those fetch $4-5M/year in my league. That said, if your league is anything like mine (mirrors MLB, 30 teams, etc), there's not a chance you get him at that price.
i'm anticipating that noone (and that very well could be including myself considering the money i'll be locking myself into for a SS) will have any appreciable amount of cash. also, with guys like johan santana, josh beckett, aj burnett, roy halladay, jake peavy, derrick lowe, javier vazquez, john lackey, cliff lee, and carlos zambrano, i'm anticipating that a quick bid like that on day 1 will close the competition.


i've got a ton of cheap top end pitching right now, and i'm looking to put a hurt on everyone in my league by running out a lineup that's indestructable, with a rotation featuring edwin jackson, wandy rodriguez, shaun marcum, justin masterson, clayton richard, plus a guy like tazawa, and some veteran placeholders, most likely in the form of two of jarrod washburn, tim hudson, ryan dempster, nick blackburn, or one other name that i'm keeping to myself.
   11. Rays&Sox;  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:27 PM (#3366967)
3.57, 136 ERA+... I guess Wagner never really did recover from TJ. I thought he'd be somewhere closer to last year's projection.
   12. John DiFool2  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:27 PM (#3366968)
And Jed: over on the rate stats, but he has a good chance to be under on the playing time (and if so the rate stats might drop too if he plays hurt).

Papi's career projections-he might be an interesting HoF candidate if he gets to those numbers, but I don't think he'll make it.
   13. Der_K 2  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:39 PM (#3366974)
fyi, van every (those range ratings are way too low, but i say that every year) is a pirate. carter is a met.
   14. Walt Davis  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:40 PM (#3366977)
The offense could use some work. Certainly Holliday fits better here than Bay ... but then he fits better everywhere than Bay. I suppose if there's a good corner OF coming on the market for 2011, you could live with a year of Bay in LF then move him to DH when Ortiz leaves.

Obviously SS is still an issue. Another big issue is whether to try to extend Martinez now (another possibility for the post-Ortiz DH) or wait. And it never ceases to amaze just how quickly starting pitching depth can disappear. It's still OK -- solid top 5, Bowden is a good #6, I suppose Bard could be moved into the rotation if need be. Will we see a repeat of them signing every injured starter on the market?
   15. Guapo  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:44 PM (#3366980)
Interesting career projection for Ellsbury. I don't see him lasting that many games with a career 89 OPS+.

Edit: Is Ellsbury the new Dave Collins?
   16. Biff uses the power of mental thinking  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:53 PM (#3366984)
The Sox will need to replace Jason Bay's bat somehow.

And they still need to have a better plan to address the gaping chest wound at SS than "Lowrie will be OK this season, we're sure of it!"
   17. DKDC  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 06:59 PM (#3366986)
Ramon Ramirez and Manny Delcarmen have eerily similar projections. Right down to the same three comps.
   18. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 07:01 PM (#3366987)
Ramon Ramirez and Manny Delcarmen have eerily similar projections. Right down to the same three comps.


Didn't notice that - I better check that again just to be safe.
   19. Mike Emeigh  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 07:41 PM (#3367010)
Interesting set of comps for Bay. Allison and Bonds both had three good years left in them, then crashed out of the majors quickly. Kiner's back went out on him after his age-31 season, curtailing his career. Says to me that I sure wouldn't offer Bay any more than three years.

-- MWE
   20. Shilzzz  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 08:01 PM (#3367020)
ok, so a friend and i are GMs of a team that plays on a computer data based fantasy league with 12 teams which draft players merely from about 9 mlb teams, the red sox being one of them. the defense ratings look exactly the same as the ones that are emailed to the GMs at the beginning of each season. The data resembles the stuff being shown in these ZiPS projections makes me wonder a couple things i hope someone can answer. 1) Is there a program that uses this sort of projecting for private, offline fantasy leagues, and 2) are these projections based off each players career, park adjusted, and all that? Thanks
   21. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 08:17 PM (#3367032)
I like Bay a lot, but this is a disaster waiting to happen for someone as he's probably considered above the level that he'll get Abreued.

On the plus side for Bay, Fenway's not the greatest park for him to take advantage of his assets. It's rosier outside of Fenway, but being generous and calling Bay 8 runs a year below average defensively, ZiPS has him dropping to a below-average LF by the 4th year.
   22. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 08:22 PM (#3367037)
1) Is there a program that uses this sort of projecting for private, offline fantasy leagues

ZiPS! :-)

Quite a lot of leagues are using the yearly ZiPS Projection Disk for DMB 9.0, especially now that it's the only game in town (DMB didn't do one last year). I'd probably do one for OOTP, too, but I don't own the game and I don't have any connections with the developers.

Long-term projections are based on the assumption that the player stays on his current team.
   23. Shilzzz  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 08:48 PM (#3367057)
wow. awesome info. thanks!
   24. Joshua Gibsons Ruth (Voxter)  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 09:32 PM (#3367084)
Take the under on Lester. Bank on it.

I was going to say the exact opposite. I'm looking for Lester, at least ERA+-wise, to compete with Hernandez, Greinke and Halladay at the top of the league.
   25. Mister High Standards  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 11:01 PM (#3367115)

I was going to say the exact opposite. I'm looking for Lester, at least ERA+-wise, to compete with Hernandez, Greinke and Halladay at the top of the league.



I agreed. His ERA is going to be well below 4.
   26. Joshua Gibsons Ruth (Voxter)  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 11:05 PM (#3367116)
Oh, I see.
   27. BarrettsHiddenBall  Posted: October 27, 2009 at 12:17 AM (#3367145)
And they still need to have a better plan to address the gaping chest wound at SS than "Lowrie will be OK this season, we're sure of it!"

Can you live with a platoon? They've already added "Wow, Iglesias's glove is excellent; maybe he could be ready next year."
   28. Petunia: Pursuing a Prurient Pastime, All the Time  Posted: October 27, 2009 at 12:43 AM (#3367151)
I'd probably do one for OOTP, too, but I don't own the game and I don't have any connections with the developers.

Markus Heinsohn is incredibly approachable.
   29. philly  Posted: October 27, 2009 at 10:23 AM (#3367388)
Chris Carter was traded to the Mets as a PTBNL in the Wagner deal.
   30. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 27, 2009 at 10:31 AM (#3367398)
Yeah, Carter and Eddie Lora. I had completely missed this one until a week after it happened and I already had the Red Sox in the bag at that point.
   31. trtaylor6886  Posted: October 27, 2009 at 11:13 AM (#3367488)
I am surprised Ellsbury rate as only average in center. I see his defensive numbers are nothing special on fangraphs too. In the limited time I have seen him play, he has looked like a gold glover.
   32. Joe C and the Pop Culture Portmanteau  Posted: October 27, 2009 at 11:36 AM (#3367529)
I am surprised Ellsbury rate as only average in center. I see his defensive numbers are nothing special on fangraphs too. In the limited time I have seen him play, he has looked like a gold glover.

He makes great plays, but watch the routes he takes sometimes. I don't think he's as bad as his defensive numbers this year, but he's also not a gold glover in CF, at least not right now. "Average" seems like the right ballpark for him.
   33. Eric M. Van  Posted: October 27, 2009 at 12:02 PM (#3367577)
Ellsbury was dropped in the order last May 31 in order to work on using the count to his advantage -- at the time he had a higher career SA after falling behind 0-1 than he did after getting ahead 1-0, whereas the average player gains about .120, and he said the same deficit comparing 2-0 to 0-2 (gaining .107 vs. the average of c. 215). He wasn't restored to leadoff until the team felt he had made significant progress in improving his approach. He was hitting .299 / .332 / .370 when demoted and hit .303 / .366 / .438 afterward, and in this case the near doubling of IsoD was the result of hitting the ball harder and forcing pitchers to work him much more carefully, especially once they fell behind him (he had been last on the team in % of pitches outside the strike zone). That improvement was absolutely real and anything much less than an 800 OPS will be a disappointment. If he continues to work on looking for his pitch and driving the ball, he could be even better. I know that Ron Shandler believes that second half / first half splits have some predictive value -- has ZiPS looked into that?

Re his D, I believe the numbers are accurate. He's great going to his left and right, but has trouble on balls over his head and as a result played too deeply, which made his already bad-looking performance on balls hit in front of him (same problem getting a good read and jump as balls hit over his head) just brutal statistically. He also had serious problems early in the year on balls hit near the wall, but made a lot of progress on that during the season. He just needs more reps reading the ball off MLB bats, and there's every reason to think he can be a league average defender this year and a plus one, commensurate with his obvious tools, after that.
   34. John M. Perkins  Posted: October 27, 2009 at 01:43 PM (#3367695)
Greg Gagne as comparable to two Red Sox. Jon Papelbon on the mound and Nick Green at the plate. I'd like to hear Green's agent asking for Gagne money.
   35. villageidiom  Posted: October 27, 2009 at 03:00 PM (#3367778)
Greg Gagne as comparable to two Red Sox. Jon Papelbon on the mound and Nick Green at the plate. I'd like to hear Green's agent asking for Gagne money.
Unfortunately, Papelbon's comp is Eric Gagne.
   36. snapper  Posted: October 27, 2009 at 03:13 PM (#3367800)
He was hitting .299 / .332 / .370 when demoted and hit .303 / .366 / .438 afterward, and in this case the near doubling of IsoD was the result of hitting the ball harder and forcing pitchers to work him much more carefully, especially once they fell behind him (he had been last on the team in % of pitches outside the strike zone). That improvement was absolutely real and anything much less than an 800 OPS will be a disappointment. If he continues to work on looking for his pitch and driving the ball, he could be even better. I know that Ron Shandler believes that second half / first half splits have some predictive value -- has ZiPS looked into that?

I believe the standard stats line is that these splits have no added predictive value vs. the full year statistics.
   37. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 27, 2009 at 10:26 PM (#3368091)
I believe the standard stats line is that these splits have no added predictive value vs. the full year statistics.

Maybe someone has another spin on it, but I just haven't found anything significant.
   38. LB813  Posted: November 10, 2009 at 01:26 PM (#3384139)
I would love to see a projection for Hermida now that he is a RedSox.
   39. LB813  Posted: November 21, 2009 at 08:54 AM (#3393373)
The redsox also claimed Robert Manual from the Mariners. He had a pretty nice year last year, would like to see his projection too. He was actually a pretty good simmer in a league I am in last year, and wonder if I should try to trade for him.
   40. jar75  Posted: December 01, 2009 at 09:01 PM (#3400765)
Hey Dan, I'm just wondering if there's been any updates regarding Kalish's missing projection. Thanks.
   41. Primakov is once again done with politics  Posted: December 08, 2009 at 01:59 PM (#3406867)
A while back, I proposed an Ellsbury-Adam Dunn swap on BP. Joe Sheehan responded that if the Nats offered that deal, Theo would laugh them out of the room. But I still hold that a) Dunn has more value to the Sox as a DH option than Ellsbury does as a CF, and b) a good defensive OF would be a better option to put in CF than Ellsbury.

What do you think?
   42. LB813  Posted: December 29, 2009 at 08:21 AM (#3423732)
Hey Dan.
Any thoughts on Ryan Kalish, Robert Manual and Jeremy Hermida??
   43. Matt Clement of Alexandria  Posted: December 29, 2009 at 08:34 AM (#3423737)
A while back, I proposed an Ellsbury-Adam Dunn swap on BP. Joe Sheehan responded that if the Nats offered that deal, Theo would laugh them out of the room. But I still hold that a) Dunn has more value to the Sox as a DH option than Ellsbury does as a CF, and b) a good defensive OF would be a better option to put in CF than Ellsbury.
One year of Adam Dunn at $10M for four years of Jacoby Ellsbury way under market value?
   44. Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Shmoikel Krustofsky  Posted: December 29, 2009 at 09:05 AM (#3423750)

Greg Gagne as comparable to two Red Sox. Jon Papelbon on the mound and Nick Green at the plate. I'd like to hear Green's agent asking for Gagne money.


Greg Gagne had nothing on Brian Christopher, Erik Watts, or that really skinny Von Erich.

Getting back on point, the Red Sox really do seem to prefer high contact hitters. Perhaps in absence of a bopper, they're going to try to get 'em on, get 'em over, and get 'em in?
   45. BobbyS  Posted: January 28, 2010 at 02:33 PM (#3448881)
Didn't notice that - I better check that again just to be safe.


Was Ramon Ramirez checked again? Just looking at his Baseball Reference page...he has a ERA+ of 138, including 165 the last two seasons, with just a glitch in 2007(17 ip for the Rockies). 115 doesn't seem to do him much justice here. Is that a mistake, or are there reasons?
   46. Joe C and the Pop Culture Portmanteau  Posted: January 28, 2010 at 02:36 PM (#3448885)
Was Ramon Ramirez checked again? Just looking at his Baseball Reference page...he has a ERA+ of 138, including 165 the last two seasons, with just a glitch in 2007(17 ip for the Rockies). 115 doesn't seem to do him much justice here. Is that a mistake, or are there reasons?

His peripherals last year didn't support that ERA - I'm guessing that's the issue.
   47. BobbyS  Posted: February 02, 2010 at 12:48 AM (#3452369)
His peripherals last year didn't support that ERA - I'm guessing that's the issue.


I get that, and I wasn't expecting to see another 165 up there, but just didn't think it'd be 50 points lower. But even looking at his career work, he has a 3.66 FIP and 138 ERA+ That's a quick decline for a 28/29 year old who's peripherals were still average or better last year..
   48. LB813  Posted: February 07, 2010 at 04:25 PM (#3455768)
Still would love to see a projecton for Jeremy Hermida. Also, any chance that Casey Kelly gets a projection in the final disk? Same with Jose Iglesias. I definitely thought he would be getting a projection at least.
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