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   1. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: January 23, 2010 at 03:32 PM (#3444863)
No Theriot in the offensive projections.
   2. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: January 23, 2010 at 03:36 PM (#3444864)
Is this the team, Cubs fans?

CF Byrd
RF Fukudome
1B Lee
3B Ramirez
LF Soriano
C Soto
2B Fontenot
SS Theriot

C Hill
1B Hoffpauir
CF Johnson
2B/3B Baker
SS Blanco
OF Ford-Griffin

SP Zambrano
SP Dempster
SP Lilly
SP Wells
SP Gorzelanny

CL Marmol
RP Guzman
RP Grabow
RP Marshall
RP Gregg
RP Stevens
   3. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 23, 2010 at 03:39 PM (#3444865)
Gregg is gone and his only saving grace this season was that Cubs fans hated Milton Bradley. Johnson and Ford-Griffin were both free agents as well (though I could've missed a quiet minor league signing of Griffin).

You have to think they're going to try to play Carlos Silva as well.
   4. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 23, 2010 at 04:07 PM (#3444879)
Not after reading this they won't
   5. Autobahn Posted: January 23, 2010 at 04:08 PM (#3444880)
Hoffpauir and Lee's 3rd top comp is Frank Thomas? The same Frank Thomas? Weird.
   6. Patriot87 Posted: January 23, 2010 at 04:52 PM (#3444900)
Good to see the pace of these picking up. Eager for the Cards being next. My only gripe on the Cubs is that Gorz seems extremely optimistic, but as long as he's not a mental case it could happen. I guess. I'll put $20 on the over on that one.
   7. CW hits the pinata for the candy Posted: January 23, 2010 at 05:02 PM (#3444905)
You have to think they're going to try to play Carlos Silva as well.


I think Hendry will find a way to put him on the DL - some sort of phantom pitching injury like strained talent. It's what Hendry is good at.
   8. Good cripple hitter Posted: January 23, 2010 at 05:34 PM (#3444914)
Lilly's listed twice under ODDIBE. I wouldn't make much of it, but his comps stay the same and his percentages change, so something might be going on.

Also, So Taguchi has an ODDIBE, but he doesn't have a projection line. And Theriot's missing his defensive projection.

I didn't know that John-Ford was still playing. I remember hearing reports of his power in the minors, and I got to see one of his two MLB home runs. That being said, looking back on his minors numbers, I'm not surprised that he never amounted to anything.
   9. greenback Posted: January 23, 2010 at 05:59 PM (#3444919)
McGinnisRuss PappasErik PosadaJorge

That's an odd trio for Soto.
   10. Slivers of Maranville (SdeB) Posted: January 23, 2010 at 05:59 PM (#3444920)
Wait, the Cubs signed So Taguchi?
   11. Quiet Flows the Don Taussig Avenger (Edmundo) Posted: January 23, 2010 at 06:04 PM (#3444922)
So how is Luis Rivas the same age as John-Ford Griffin? I would have thought there were 7 years difference between the two in age.
   12. Accent Shallow Posted: January 23, 2010 at 06:06 PM (#3444923)
I assume those optimistic ODDIBE's for Chad Fox are based on him pitching 7 innings, rather than a normal reliever complement? It certainly has to be a ##### to project someone with such large gaps in his service time.
   13. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 23, 2010 at 06:55 PM (#3444939)
Hoffpauir and Lee's 3rd top comp is Frank Thomas? The same Frank Thomas? Weird.

Actually, Hoffpauir's comp is Frank Thomas the Lesser.

The extra Lilly is fixed - the better one was from when I messed up a macro and I forgot to delete it.
   14. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 23, 2010 at 07:00 PM (#3444945)
Russ McGinnis was a pretty bad defensive catcher. He was born about 15 years too late - he probably would have had a career today or at least gone to Japan. Posada wasn't quite Posada! yet.
   15. shattnering his Dominicano G Strings on that Mound Posted: January 23, 2010 at 08:02 PM (#3444985)
Given the BBWAA's odd treatment of 3Bmen, with this fairly impressive career projection, is it enough to get Aramis enshrined? If this was his final line, where would the HOM stand on the matter?
   16. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 23, 2010 at 08:13 PM (#3444991)
Given the BBWAA's odd treatment of 3Bmen, with this fairly impressive career projection, is it enough to get Aramis enshrined? If this was his final line, where would the HOM stand on the matter?


I don't see Aramis getting much HOF love. He'd need some kind of hook. That career line, OPS+ of 113 and 402 HRs, looks kind of like Graig Nettles - 390 HR, 110 OPS+, except that Nettles won 2 Gold Gloves and probably deserved 4-5 more. Nettles is a borderline HOMer (helped tremendously by the strength of his defense) who got no traction at all in HOF voting, despite having played in New York with two World Series rings.

Aramis, on the other hand, is regarded as an average fielder at best and probably below average. He'd need to do something like win both a regular-season and World Series MVP in the year that the Cubs finally win the World Series in addition to hitting 400 career HRs to have any chance of getting attention in Hall-of-Fame voting.
   17. Hack Wilson Posted: January 23, 2010 at 08:34 PM (#3445005)
Actually, Hoffpauir's comp is Frank Thomas the Lesser.

But still a fine hitter.
There was a recent thread about a player quiting baseball to become a priest. Frank did the opposite: Thomas studied for the priesthood in the Roman Catholic Church from 1941 through 1946. And no, he was too young to be avoiding the draft.
   18. tropicofcancer Posted: January 23, 2010 at 09:00 PM (#3445020)
K I'll give credit where it's due. Excellent job. I mean that.
   19. kfsports Posted: January 23, 2010 at 09:59 PM (#3445057)
I was kind of expecting a few starts for Marshall because he had some last year and always seems to get some. Hopefully Lou will give him better shot at starting this coming season.
   20. Andere Richtingen Posted: January 23, 2010 at 10:48 PM (#3445073)
Wait, the Cubs signed So Taguchi?

That happened last year. I believe he is going back to Japan in 2010 though.
   21. drone1313 Posted: January 23, 2010 at 10:57 PM (#3445079)
Theriot's top comp is David Eckstein. How apropos.
   22. Patriot87 Posted: January 23, 2010 at 11:01 PM (#3445082)
Theriot's D is missing
   23. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: January 23, 2010 at 11:01 PM (#3445084)
The Soriano projection is kind of disappointing. He isn't even expected to be league average anymore is he?

I will take the under on Lilly and the over on Soto.
   24. Gern Blanston Posted: January 23, 2010 at 11:12 PM (#3445087)
I'll take the over on Soto and Kosuke, and the WAY under on Hoffpauir.

Don Geovany is headed for a huge bounceback year.
   25. Gern Blanston Posted: January 23, 2010 at 11:14 PM (#3445090)
I had no idea John-Ford Griffin was still alive, let alone (1) Cub property, and (2) an outfielder. Thought he was a pitcher.
   26. Gern Blanston Posted: January 23, 2010 at 11:16 PM (#3445092)
Theriot's D is missing

Cub fans have made this comment many times.
   27. Gern Blanston Posted: January 23, 2010 at 11:18 PM (#3445093)
That Gorzelanny projection looks pretty optimistic to me--I'd certainly take that out of him. I like all of those projections from the rotation.

Being a good fanboy, though, I'll take the over on Z.
   28. Gern Blanston Posted: January 23, 2010 at 11:20 PM (#3445094)
The Chad Fox projection makes me giggle. Not the numbers it generates, mind you, but the fact that it exists at all.
   29. Meatwad is on team keefe Posted: January 24, 2010 at 12:20 AM (#3445115)
shouldnt his projection just be tommy john surgery?
   30. Jebuddhallah Posted: January 24, 2010 at 12:34 AM (#3445125)
Dan, Marlon Byrd's missing from The Oddsinator. Not that I actually care about Marlon Byrd, but take this more in the spirit of anal-retentiveness or OCD or something.
   31. Torn_cuff Posted: January 24, 2010 at 12:40 AM (#3445129)
I thought Chad Fox is what the ortho said happened to my shoulder; I can't be sure, but I still can't comb my hair (what's left of it) right handed.
   32. Walt Davis Posted: January 24, 2010 at 12:46 AM (#3445131)
And Theriot's missing his defensive projection.

No, his defense is just off the charts!

I'm glad to see ZiPS likes Wells so much ... though given how much ZiPS likes Gorzelanny I may have to switch over to the jfish camp. :-)

Interesting that you rate Blanco's defense as average -- most Cub fans raved about it.

CF Byrd
RF Fukudome
1B Lee
3B Ramirez
LF Soriano
C Soto
2B Fontenot
SS Theriot

C Hill
1B Hoffpauir
CF Johnson
2B/3B Baker
SS Blanco
OF Ford-Griffin


Nobody carries just 11 pitchers anymore (at least not for long). No Ford-Griffin. Somebody will take the Johnson role. Baker and Fontenot will presumably pretty much platoon with Baker playing the DeRosa role. I'd say there's still some small chance Hofpauir doesn't make the team but only if they (a) sign a decent-hitting LHB backup for Byrd (in place of Johnson) and then it will depend on who else is in camp.
   33. berselius Posted: January 24, 2010 at 12:48 AM (#3445132)
What's up with all this Ford-Griffin talk? I have never heard anyone talking about him contributing to the team next year except in this thread.
   34. berselius Posted: January 24, 2010 at 12:54 AM (#3445136)
CF Byrd
RF Fukudome
1B Lee
3B Ramirez
LF Soriano
C Soto
2B Fontenot
SS Theriot

C Hill
1B Hoffpauir
CF Johnson Fuld
2B/3B Baker
SS Blanco
OF Ford-Griffin Colvin

This is probably more what it looks like, though the above poster is right in that the Cubs will likely break camp with 12 pitchers, so no Tyler Colvin (thankfully)
   35. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 24, 2010 at 01:37 AM (#3445146)
Hey, I didn't bring Ford-Griffin up! He's just a player who gets a projection every year who happened to play in the Cub organization most recently.
   36. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 24, 2010 at 01:42 AM (#3445147)
The Chad Fox projection makes me giggle. Not the numbers it generates, mind you, but the fact that it exists at all.

I figure if poor Chad Fox can brave his 6 yearly arm surgeries to get onto the field for a dozen innings, the least I can do is give the guy a projection. I mean, he's had like 2 healthy years in the last 15. Even Steve Ontiveros might have sympathy.
   37. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 24, 2010 at 02:29 AM (#3445161)
I assume those optimistic ODDIBE's for Chad Fox are based on him pitching 7 innings, rather than a normal reliever complement? It certainly has to be a ##### to project someone with such large gaps in his service time.

Yeah, ODDIBE's based on 7 innings, so it's super-wacky. As a result, he's the only pitcher I've projected that has a reasonable shot at a 0 ERA.
   38. Guapo Posted: January 24, 2010 at 02:53 AM (#3445171)
John-Ford Griffin. John-Ford... Now, that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time.
   39. Walt Davis Posted: January 24, 2010 at 03:12 AM (#3445181)
Oh yeah, Sam Fuld, forgot about him.

On bench construction, the Cubs are in a very minor pickle. Or not even pickle, just sub-optimal. You want LH backup for Lee, Soriano and Byrd; RH backup (even platoon) for Fukudome and a platoon at 2B (or just Fontenot to the bench and Baker full-time). Alas the number of useful LH 1B/LF/CF is probably currently zero (no, I don't want Kotsay or Erstad ... and I assume Edmonds is done) ... but I can't believe the Cubs want Kosuke to be full-time. (OK, they want him to be full-time but I think they recognize he's not a good option against LHP.) If you put Baker in RF against LHP, that leaves Fontenot at 2B or a platoon with Blanco -- neither of those work offensively.

The Cubs as is have a reasonable amount of flexibility so it's not a major issue, but I'd rather see a RHB who can handle CF as a backup and platoon with Kosuke than Fuld. Johnson might be good enough but isn't exactly the bat you want in RF. I have no idea who else I would want though.
   40. Crispix Attacks Posted: January 24, 2010 at 04:07 AM (#3445204)
Is calling him "Ford-Griffin" an inside joke?
   41. berselius Posted: January 24, 2010 at 04:18 AM (#3445209)
I think people are overreacting a bit on the Fukudome vs LHP stuff. That's a very small sample size that he has in MLB (218 PAs), and he hit lefties just fine in Japan from what I remember hearing (the Googles are doing nothing right now). I wonder if the Cubs truly need a 'lefty-crusher' given how right-handed their starting lineup is anyway.
   42. RollingWave Posted: January 24, 2010 at 03:32 PM (#3445262)
Looking like a contender on paper adjust for them being the cubs = .......
   43. Travolta19 Posted: January 24, 2010 at 04:58 PM (#3445287)
Hey Dan, can we get a defensive rating for Theriot?
   44. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 24, 2010 at 05:01 PM (#3445291)
AV/94.
   45. RedRobot8 Posted: January 24, 2010 at 05:31 PM (#3445305)
I wonder if the Cubs truly need a 'lefty-crusher' given how right-handed their starting lineup is anyway.
You know, there's this Milton Bradley guy. He's not really a lefty-crusher, but he is a switch hitter and he only costs $30M over three years. Maybe Jim Hendry should look into that.
   46. zachtoma Posted: January 24, 2010 at 06:05 PM (#3445320)
Thomas studied for the priesthood in the Roman Catholic Church from 1941 through 1946. And no, he was too young to be avoiding the draft.


Didn't know that about Thomas, but Max Carey was another player who was studying for the priesthood in seminary school before turning to professional baseball.
   47. Walt Davis Posted: January 24, 2010 at 07:45 PM (#3445374)
So God only answers your prayers after you've flunked out of seminary? :-)

On Fuku vs. LHP -- the average OPS split for a LHB is 15% (if I remember my MGL correctly), his so far is 18%. Yes, a small sample size but his NPB platoon ratio would have to fantastic for me to regress his projected splits to substantially better than league average. His "good" year last year was largely a function of being platooned (8:1 PA platoon advantage). Ideally one of Fuld/Hoff would be replaced by a RHB. Not a huge deal -- any day's lineup almost always has a hole or two and Kosuke will bring his defense every day.
   48. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: January 25, 2010 at 04:51 PM (#3445765)
Fuku vs. LHP
Is this even legal?
   49. Davo the Magnificent Posted: January 25, 2010 at 09:42 PM (#3446125)
BJ Ryan??? I need to follow the league more closely.
   50. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: January 25, 2010 at 10:16 PM (#3446163)
I started the JF Griffin stuff after eyeballing the depth chart. I should have put "old warm body OF" to be more accurate.
   51. bjhanke Posted: January 26, 2010 at 04:56 AM (#3446389)
I'm a Cardinal fan from St. Louis, but I don't just dismiss the Cubs. One thing I think I have noted, though, is that they always seem to lack a deep bench. I don't mean on the major league roster. I means the guys who play mostly in AAA but who get swapped in and out as short-term injuries and schedule oddities suggest. I think the Hoffpauir you now have filled one of those spots for the Cards a year or so ago. The Cubs never seem to be able to make much use of that strategy, which has become a fashionable solution to the problem of having to carry 12 or 13 pitchers. I don't know if your current manager is used to the tactic, but the problem dates to back before him. Anyway, I'm not trying to troll, but to ask whether you guys in Chicago are aware of this, and whether you think the criticism is valid or not. You certainly have enough front end to contend, given health, but the very back end seems weak to me, and has for years. - Brock Hanke
   52. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: January 26, 2010 at 02:09 PM (#3446478)
request: c/1f robinson chirinos. he edged out castillo for the top catching prospect in the cubs system, per ba, and plays all over the infield... no meaningful track record as a hitter in the high minors, though.
   53. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: January 26, 2010 at 02:27 PM (#3446496)
Brock,

I thought your post from last year on how the Cardinals/LaRussa effectively man a 35-man roster with ten of those guys stocked in AAA, with full anticipation that they'll make it up to the ML roster and contribute at some point during the season, was a pretty fascinating look at roster construction. And it's probably something a good amount of otherwise well-run teams are missing out on.
   54. Moses Taylor demands to be housewarmed Posted: January 26, 2010 at 11:38 PM (#3447223)
I agree, Brock. The Cubs have done a much better job of utilizing AAA when it comes to relievers and starters (they always seem to have extra ones of them laying around; oddly enough, we tend to overrate them and whine about them after they're dumped somewhere else and have an iota of success - see Aardsma and Wuertz last season).

Cubs signed Nady today, so he takes the "JF Griffin" role. I think that means the OF is set (and probably no Fuld, although he's the guy on the Iowa shuttle this year), and it makes Fukudome the backup CF. Not ideal. I'm underwhelmed by this roster, but don't have to squint too hard to see a bunch of lucky breaks turning this group into a contender. It's all completely downhill after this season though.
   55. Meatwad is on team keefe Posted: January 27, 2010 at 07:14 AM (#3447451)
Brock, its a different Hoffpauir that your thinking of. though i think last year the did a prett good job with the AAA shuttle but really the problem the last few years has been the only players of use down there were pitchers
   56. Voros McCracken, Human Shield Posted: January 27, 2010 at 07:23 AM (#3447453)
Tyler Colvin* rf 24 .249 .287 .394

Dan if you had done this earlier you might have prevented an auto theft. Nobody would willfully claim that projection.
   57. Morally Excellent Posted: January 27, 2010 at 07:45 AM (#3447456)
BJ Ryan??? I need to follow the league more closely.


Ryan asked (and got) the Cubs to release him back in August. Apparently he was disappointed that his velocity wasn't returning. Methinks he will sit at home and just collect on the 15M or whatever the #### the Jays still owe him.
   58. bjhanke Posted: January 30, 2010 at 05:00 AM (#3450442)
DFA says, "Brock, its a different Hoffpauir that your thinking of. though i think last year the did a prett good job with the AAA shuttle but really the problem the last few years has been the only players of use down there were pitchers"

There are TWO "Hoffpauirs"? Please tell me they're related. I think you have my analysis of the Cubs' problem absolutely correct. The problem isn't that the manager can't see that he has a roster hole and he needs to bring up whoever is doing best at the position in AAA. The problem is that the organization does not focus on stocking said AAA roster with enough AAAA players. I hadn't noticed that the AAA roster does have pitching, because I wasn't trying to analyze the Cubs in detail (not qualified, with the likes of Walt Davis in the house). Thanks for the info. And Good Luck to the Cubs. I hope you guys finish a nice solid second and get the Wild Card. (Well, what more can you ask from a Cards' fan?)
   59. Argu!!!! SATAN!!!! (Sessile Fielder) Posted: January 31, 2010 at 02:21 AM (#3450923)
There are TWO "Hoffpauirs"? Please tell me they're related.

Nope, Micah and Jarrett aren't related, but each did have a sibling in pro baseball, Brad and Josh, respectively.
   60. bjhanke Posted: January 31, 2010 at 09:07 AM (#3451042)
There are FOUR Hoffpauirs??? And NO Hankes? I gotta find me a women's softball player to date. - Brock Hanke
   61. Crispix Attacks Posted: January 31, 2010 at 09:15 AM (#3451045)
I'm seein' double here! Eight Hoffpauirs!
   62. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 02, 2010 at 03:10 PM (#3452476)
What's the word on BJ Ryan? Is he still hurt?
   63. Moses Taylor demands to be housewarmed Posted: February 03, 2010 at 08:47 PM (#3453554)
Don't know. The Cubs granted him their release last August when he had no velocity left. Haven't heard anything about him since.
   64. McCoy Posted: August 31, 2010 at 02:59 AM (#3630493)
Looking like a contender on paper adjust for them being the cubs = .......

20 games under .500
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