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Wednesday, October 21, 2009

2010 ZiPS Projections - Cincinnati Reds

With the shackles of a one-dimensional offense led by base-clearing Adam Dunn fallen off, the Reds developed a flexible, aggressive offense, featuring the electric leadoff hitter Willy Taveras at the stop of the runner and even the home-run hitters, Brandon Phillips and Joey Votto able to run the bases a bit, especially Phillips. With red lights turning green, the Red offense would Billyball the team to 90 wins when combined with the improved pitching staff. Wizened manager Dusty Baker does his best job yet, integrating rookies with veterans and making sure everyone has their proper playing time.

An upopular 12-year-old boy is chased into an old building by other kids that wanted to beat him up. Inside, the boy finds a magic radio and inside, is a gigantic African-American genie named Kazaam. Kazaam grants the boy wishes, including junk food falling from the sky, until the boy is kidnapped by the owner of a nightclub. Kazaam finds the boy dead, but sacrifices his genie powers to bring the boy back from the dead and everyone lives happily ever after.

Which scenario is more plausible? It's close, but my money is on Shaquille O'Neal's 3rd-best movie being closer to a gritty depiction of modern life than the Walt Jocketty-developed dreamscape.

Truth be told, the Reds at least have a good bullpen and some useful starting pitching, even with the true projection for Edinson Volquez being in the neighborhood of "0-0, 0.00" than the projection given below. The Red offense is still a mess and the team didn't make much of an effort to try new things or answer questions for 2010 outside of "try every player on the roster at shortstop!" after making Plans A through Z at the position a mediocre player that missed the entire 2008 season. There's a type of team that Dusty Baker can probably manage pretty well. The Reds, with questions and various options all over the place, are pretty much the worst type of team for Baker to have.

I wouldn't be too worried about Yonder Alonso. He's just not ready to start 2010 and has very good odds to develop quickly if his wrist regains full strength quickly. As a fake internet doctor with an econ background, I think it's encouraging that it was a bone that broke rather than a tendon.

Offensive Projections 

Name                     P  Age   AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS  OPS+ 
Joey Votto*              1b  26  .293  .372  .500 143 522  78 153 32  2 24  90  64 114  8  4   128 
Scott Rolen              3b  35  .283  .352  .439 106 392  52 111 27  2 10  49  39  57  5  3   108 
Jonny Gomes              lf  29  .243  .328  .471 121 367  53  89 20  2 20  60  40 114  8  3   108 
Kevin Barker*            1b  34  .254  .333  .446 115 397  52 101 21  2 17  62  48 101  1  1   104 
Brandon Phillips         2b  29  .276  .327  .446 143 561  79 155 27  4 20  88  38  85 25  8   102 
Chris Heisey             cf  25  .270  .329  .415 133 518  75 140 30  3 13  59  39  90 18  4    96 
Jay Bruce*               rf  23  .251  .315  .459 127 466  69 117 22  3 23  70  42 111  7  5   102 
Wladimir Balentien       lf  25  .250  .315  .440 116 400  53 100 24  2 16  52  39  98  5  3    97 
Chris Dickerson*         lf  28  .247  .336  .394 119 388  53  96 17  5 10  39  50 122 17  5    93 
Laynce Nix*              lf  29  .249  .302  .456 115 366  52  91 21  2 17  56  26  93  2  1    97 
Ryan Hanigan             c   29  .267  .347  .357  99 311  34  83 14  1  4  27  34  43  0  0    87 
Daniel Dorn*             lf  25  .250  .312  .414 117 408  49 102 21  2 14  53  32 102  2  1    90 
Yonder Alonso*           1b  23  .255  .321  .394  86 322  31  82 19  1  8  47  33  63  1  1    88 
Darnell McDonald         rf  31  .261  .311  .409 112 406  52 106 22  4 10  48  29  90 14  4    89 
Ramon Hernandez          c   34  .255  .324  .385 104 364  37  93 18  1  9  54  34  56  1  1    87 
Danny Richar*            2b  27  .264  .315  .405 100 368  47  97 20  4  8  38  27  65  8  5    89 
Drew Sutton#             2b  27  .253  .328  .382 113 403  62 102 22  3  8  42  41  91  9  6    88 
Adam Rosales             3b  27  .248  .314  .394 126 432  60 107 25  4 10  50  35  89  6  3    86 
Wes Bankston             3b  26  .256  .298  .416 118 450  52 115 23  2 15  65  25  91  2  1    86 
Corky Miller             c   34  .243  .328  .361  58 169  17  41  8  0  4  24  17  31  1  0    83 
Todd Frazier             lf  24  .253  .306  .400 107 415  50 105 24  2 11  52  31  88  5  5    85 
Juan Francisco#          3b  23  .252  .283  .425 141 563  67 142 28  3 21  85  23 147  4  2    84 
Sean Henry               rf  24  .257  .313  .374 128 478  60 123 23  3  9  44  35  95 16  9    81 
Paul Janish              ss  27  .239  .310  .340 117 385  48  92 22  1  5  35  33  70  4  1    72 
Drew Stubbs              cf  25  .235  .305  .348 139 549  73 129 26  3 10  47  53 158 30 11    73 
Willy Taveras            cf  28  .260  .309  .320 115 435  65 113 16  2  2  24  27  70 36  7    67 
Wilkin Castillo#         c   26  .263  .299  .365  88 304  32  80 15  2  4  28  13  50  6  5    75 
Chris Valaika            ss  24  .249  .287  .361 122 485  47 121 23  2  9  53  22 109  3  3    70 
Chris Denove             c   27  .244  .301  .356  66 205  18  50 12  1  3  23  15  42  0  2    73 
Luis Bolivar#            2b  29  .240  .285  .355 117 375  55  90 17  4  6  36  20  86 18  5    68 
Michael Griffin          2b  26  .255  .287  .356 124 447  47 114 24  3  5  37  17  80  8  6    69 
Devin Mesoraco           c   22  .230  .289  .349  93 335  27  77 17  1  7  36  26  88  1  2    68 
Neftali Soto             3b  21  .244  .276  .358 107 422  39 103 20  2  8  46  18  91  1  2    66 
Craig Tatum              c   27  .234  .283  .342  98 342  30  80 17  1  6  40  22  83  0  1    65 
Eric Eymann              2b  26  .243  .285  .336 122 420  45 102 21  3  4  42  21  88  2  4    64 

Defensive Projections

Name               CThr 1b      2b      3b      ss      lf      cf      rf      
Votto*                  Av/129                          Fr/174                  
Rolen                                   Vg/82                                   
Gomes                                                   Fr/84           Pr/121  
Barker*                 Av/125                                                  
Phillips                        Vg/85                                           
Heisey                                                  Av/106  Av/126  Av/108  
Bruce*                                                  Vg/121  Av/136  Vg/148  
Balentien                                               Av/81   Fr/88   Av/129  
Dickerson*                                              Vg/136  Fr/136  Av/136  
Nix*                                                    Vg/92   Pr/172  Av/70   
Hanigan            Av                                                           
Dorn*                   Av/157                          Av/86           Fr/121  
Alonson*                Fr/144                                                  
McDonald                                                Vg/122  Fr/130  Vg/122  
Hernandez          Av   Fr/121                                                  
Richar*                         Pr/138          Pr/159                          
Sutton#                         Av/140  Fr/121  Pr/154                          
Rosales                 Av/117  Pr/120  Pr/120  Pr/120  Av/120          Av/120  
Bankston                Av/127          Pr/203                                  
Miller             Fr   Fr/84                                                   
Frazier                 Av/107  Fr/107  Fr/107  Fr/107  Av/107                  
Francisco#                              Fr/147          Av/160                  
Henry                                                   Av/151  Fr/229  Av/151  
Janish                          Av/121  Av/121  Av/101                          
Stubbs                                                  Vg/133  Vg/133  Vg/133  
Taveras                                                         Vg/141          
Castillo#          Av           Fr/128  Fr/128  Pr/137  Fr/121                  
Valaika                         Fr/121          Fr/136                          
Denove             Vg                                                           
Bolivar#                Av/118  Fr/118  Av/118  Fr/118  Av/118          Av/118  
Griffin                         Fr/97   Fr/122          Av/81           Av/159  
Mesoraco           Fr                                                           
Soto                    Av/156          Av/156                                  
Tatum              Fr                                                           
Eymann                  Av/111  Fr/124  Av/121  Fr/111                          

* - Bats Left
# - Switch Hitter

ODDIBE (Odds of Important Baseball Events)

Name               PO    EX    VG    AV    FR    PO          COMP 1          COMP 2          COMP 3
VottoJoey          1B   30%   40%   18%    9%    2%       MayCarlos       HrbekKent    HafnerTravis
RolenScott         3B   12%   31%   30%   19%    9%        BoyerKen         HoweArt       ZeileTodd
PhillipsBrandon    2B   34%   21%   19%   16%   10%      WhiteFrank     NealCharlie    JacksonRandy
GomesJonny         LF    9%   25%   25%   26%   16%    KomminskBrad       WadeScott      MohrDustan
BarkerKevin        1B    2%   10%   19%   44%   25%       MorynWalt       TracyAndy      StevensLee
HeiseyChris        CF   11%   19%   36%   27%    7%       MatosLuis      MooreTerry      ByrdMarlon
BruceJay           RF    3%   12%   18%   29%   38%      ChurchRyan     KhouryScott  RodriguezHenry
BalentienWladimir  LF    0%    6%   15%   32%   47%       LennonPat     DayettBrian      JohnsonBen
DickersonChris     LF    3%    4%   10%   28%   55%   LombardGeorge   TuckerMichael    MackowiakRob
NixLaynce          LF    2%    5%   12%   28%   54%      HowittDannKieschnickBrooks WhitmoreDarrell
McDonaldDarnell    RF    1%    5%   10%   23%   62%       BrownEmil  BrumfieldJacob      CimoliGino
DornDaniel         LF    0%    1%    5%   21%   73%        BrownDee     KroegerJoshGriffinJohn-Ford
RicharDanny        2B    3%    6%   14%   33%   43%       BucherJim      WilfongRob       MartinStu
HaniganRyan         C    3%   14%   29%   39%   15%       TreshMike      RosarBuddy        AzcueJoe
AlonsoYonder       1B    0%    0%    3%   25%   72%         DeSaJoe        CoxSteve     MillerBarry
HernandezRamon      C    3%   19%   31%   33%   13%       DavisSpud        PenaTony          DiazBo
BankstonWes        3B    0%    3%   11%   30%   55%        LeonJose     WootenShawn     KingBrennan
SuttonDrew         2B    3%    5%   12%   29%   51%   BeattieAndrew     ScalesBobby   BernazardTony
RosalesAdam        3B    1%    4%   10%   29%   55%     RedfieldJoe      BlakeCasey     BrookensTom
FranciscoJuan      3B    0%    1%    9%   28%   62%        LeonJose    HamiltonJeff    CoffieIvanon
FrazierTodd        LF    0%    0%    2%    8%   90%       VentoMike  ChamberlainWes   AlexanderChad
MillerCorky         C    2%   12%   30%   43%   13%       DavisSpud         RiceDel      KnorrRandy
HenrySean          RF    0%    0%    1%    4%   94%       AllenChad  FicklinWinston       BrownEmil
TaverasWilly       CF    1%    2%   10%   33%   54%   GlanvilleDoug      RuanWilkin    EllisonJason
StubbsDrew         CF    0%    0%    4%   23%   72% ChristensonRyan     GoreckiReid     PowellDante
CastilloWilkin      C    0%    0%    3%   26%   70%    MartinezLuis      DempseyPatRodriguezGuillermo
BolivarLuis        2B    1%    1%    2%   12%   84%     IngramGarey     BeasleyTony    JavierJulian
JanishPaul         SS    0%    2%   10%   32%   56%        PenaBert   VelandiaJorge         ColeStu
ValaikaChristophe  SS    0%    0%    4%   20%   76%      CruzFausto    ThomasAndres      RiveraLuis
DenoveChristopher   C    0%    0%    2%   19%   79%     MahoneyMike    LiddleSteven        DatzJeff
GriffinMichael     2B    0%    0%    1%    3%   96%       TaborGregGrudzielanekMark    ManriqueFred
SotoNeftali        3B    0%    0%    0%    1%   99%    HayesCharlie       BellRicky     MoronkoJeff
MesoracoDevin       C    0%    0%    1%   12%   87%    LuzinskiRyan       DavisDoug     MolinaAngel
TatumCraig          C    0%    0%    0%    6%   94%      LopezPedro    DifeliceMike      MolinaJose
EymannEric         2B    0%    0%    0%    1%   99%       TysonMike       DiazEdwin       FlorezTim

Name              .300 BA .375 OBP.500 SLG 140 OPS+  45 2B   10 3B   30 HR   30 SB
VottoJoey             42%     44%     41%     25%      6%      0%     16%      0%
RolenScott            29%     23%      7%      2%      1%      0%      0%      0%
PhillipsBrandon       17%      2%     15%      2%      1%      3%     13%     27%
GomesJonny             2%      6%     25%      4%      0%      0%      6%      0%
BarkerKevin            6%      7%      9%      1%      0%      0%      3%      0%
HeiseyChris           12%      4%      3%      1%      3%      1%      0%      3%
BruceJay               2%      1%     14%      1%      0%      0%     11%      0%
BalentienWladimir      2%      1%      3%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
DickersonChris         2%      8%      2%      1%      0%      8%      0%      2%
NixLaynce              2%      0%     10%      1%      0%      0%      1%      0%
McDonaldDarnell       10%      1%      1%      0%      0%      5%      0%      0%
DornDaniel             2%      0%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
RicharDanny           10%      2%      2%      0%      0%      1%      0%      0%
HaniganRyan           14%     17%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
AlonsoYonder           5%      2%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
HernandezRamon         5%      5%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
BankstonWes            4%      0%      2%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
SuttonDrew             5%      5%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
RosalesAdam            2%      1%      1%      0%      0%      3%      0%      0%
FranciscoJuan          1%      0%      1%      0%      0%      0%      5%      0%
FrazierTodd            3%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
MillerCorky            6%     10%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
HenrySean              3%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
TaverasWilly           6%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%     85%
StubbsDrew             0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%     54%
CastilloWilkin         8%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
BolivarLuis            2%      0%      0%      0%      0%      2%      0%      2%
JanishPaul             1%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
ValaikaChristophe      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
DenoveChristopher      4%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
GriffinMichael         3%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
SotoNeftali            1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
MesoracoDevin          0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
TatumCraig             0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
EymannEric             1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%

Pitching Statistics - Starters

Name                     Age    ERA   W   L   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K ERA+ 
Edinson Volquez           26   3.66   8   7  22  22   128.0  102   52  13   65  128  120 
Aaron Harang              32   3.96  10  11  29  29   186.1  190   82  27   47  158  111 
Johnny Cueto              24   4.08  11  13  31  31   180.2  173   82  25   60  153  108 
Bronson Arroyo            33   4.20  12  14  32  32   203.2  208   95  29   63  135  106 
Matthew Maloney*          26   4.54   9  13  29  29   174.1  177   88  29   49  135   97 
Travis Wood*              23   4.62   8  12  28  28   146.0  147   75  16   76   99   95 
Daryl Thompson            24   4.73   3   5  14  13    70.1   74   37  10   23   39   93 
Justin Lehr               32   4.79   5   9  25  19   120.1  131   64  17   40   58   92 
Ramon A. Ramirez          27   4.84   5   9  38  22   139.1  134   75  21   67  101   91 
Micah Owings              27   4.86   7  12  29  24   140.2  140   76  21   60   95   91 
Jordan Smith              24   4.87   4   8  17  17    92.1  105   50  11   30   47   90 
Homer Bailey              24   4.98   5   9  23  23   128.1  135   71  15   54   97   89 
Kip Wells                 33   5.05   4   7  37  13   103.1  103   58  12   53   77   88 
Sam Lecure                26   5.12   6  11  25  25   135.1  144   77  22   59   99   86 
Ben Jukich*               27   5.21   5  11  28  22   129.2  143   75  19   57   88   85 
James Avery               26   6.11   3   9  19  19    95.2  117   65  17   44   49   72 

Pitching Statistics - Relievers

Name                     Age    ERA   W   L   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K ERA+ 
Francisco Cordero         35   3.05   4   3  66   0    65.0   56   22   5   28   67  147 
Arthur Rhodes*            40   3.43   2   2  60   0    44.2   38   17   4   20   43  127 
Jared Burton              29   3.61   2   2  57   0    62.1   58   25   6   26   53  117 
Bill Bray*                27   3.75   4   3  64   0    60.0   57   25   7   25   62  115 
Nick Masset               28   3.82   3   3  59   3    77.2   74   33   8   28   62  114 
Danny Herrera*            25   3.88   5   5  65   0    69.2   68   30   7   27   53  112 
Carlos Fisher             27   4.33   3   3  45   0    60.1   58   29   6   31   52  103 
Mike Lincoln              35   4.87   1   2  35   0    40.2   40   22   6   19   29   91 
Jeff Kennard              28   5.04   2   4  46   0    60.2   64   34   8   32   43   86 
Pedro Viola*              27   5.40   2   5  58   2    68.1   70   41  11   44   58   82 

* - Throws Left

ODDIBE (Odds of Important Baseball Events)

Player             PO       TOP   MID   BOT            COMP 1            COMP 2            COMP 3
CorderoFrancisco   RP       80%   19%    1%  HernandezRoberto     GrimsleyJason         FarrSteve
RhodesArthur       RP       55%   37%    8%      FrymanWoodie        FrancoJohn         PlesacDan
VolquezEdinson     SP       77%   21%    2%        DeLeonJose         ClancyJim        GuzmanJuan
BrayBill           RP       44%   48%    8%       GuthrieMark        DiazCarlos   AssenmacherPaul
BurtonJared        RP       40%   50%   10%          PowerTed       SanchezLuis    CarrascoHector
MassetNick         RP       34%   56%   10%    WilliamsonMark        TessmerJay        LopezAlbie
HerreraDanny       RP       34%   54%   12%       MoloneyBill      SaucierKevin    EversgerdBryan
HarangAaron        SP       53%   45%    3%         LieberJon         ClancyJim       HellingRick
CuetoJohnny        SP       46%   50%    4%       ValeraJulio     TorresSalomon        LackeyJohn
ArroyoBronson      SP       34%   60%    6%      SmithsonMike        TomkoBrett      FranklinRyan
FisherCarlos       RP       17%   56%   27%       CorcoranRoy        SalmonBrad          SmithRoy
MaloneyMatthew     SP       18%   64%   18%      CormierRheal     HammakerAtlee      MischPatrick
WoodTravis         SP       16%   60%   24%       KruegerBill      HancockChris          GomezPat
ThompsonDaryl      SP       20%   47%   33%      KendrickKyle        SallesJohn      DicksonJason
LehrJustin         SP       18%   48%   34%  FigueroaJonathan       SundraSteve        GomezRuben
RamirezRamon       SP        9%   54%   37%       MartinRenie    BettendorfJeff        StrakerLes
OwingsMicah        SP        9%   56%   36%          LealLuis    MartinChandler     CorneliusReid
LincolnMike        RP       12%   36%   52%         SlatonJim      MathewsTerry        MahomesPat
SmithJordan        SP       13%   47%   40%       MitreSergio        DownsKelly          FoggJosh
BaileyHomer        SP        9%   49%   42%       BoskieShawn    TelfordAnthony      PetersonMark
WellsKip           SP        3%   30%   67%        MunozBobby  EichelbergerJuan            RayKen
LecureSamuel       SP        5%   42%   52%      CassidyScott    FigueroaNelson     SikorskiBrian
KennardJeff        RP        2%   30%   68%     TrautweinJohn MartinezAnastacio      BrittanCorey
JukichBenjamin     SP        3%   40%   57%     RobertsonNate        LerchRandy        WatsonMark
ViolaPedro         RP        1%   20%   79%       MancusoPaul       BoweBrandon        ScheidRich
AveryJames         SP        0%    9%   91%     FrancoMartire     CooganPatrick    EmanuelBrandon
	
Player             130 ERA+  100 ERA+    K/9 >8  BB/9 <2   HR/9 <1
CorderoFrancisco        74%       99%       87%       0%       84%
RhodesArthur            46%       88%       63%       2%       83%
VolquezEdinson          37%       92%       80%       0%       64%
BrayBill                36%       85%       87%       1%       57%
BurtonJared             32%       81%       32%       1%       77%
MassetNick              27%       83%       15%       2%       66%
HerreraDanny            27%       80%       10%       2%       68%
HarangAaron             13%       80%       26%      29%       19%
CuetoJohnny             12%       75%       29%       1%       25%
ArroyoBronson            6%       68%        0%       5%       19%
FisherCarlos            12%       59%       33%       0%       72%
MaloneyMatthew           3%       47%       10%      11%        7%
WoodTravis               2%       41%        2%       0%       60%
ThompsonDaryl            4%       36%        0%       8%       40%
LehrJustin               5%       37%        2%       9%       30%
RamirezRamon             1%       26%        4%       0%       22%
OwingsMicah              1%       28%        1%       0%       21%
LincolnMike             12%       40%       11%       1%       48%
SmithJordan              2%       28%        0%       7%       43%
BaileyHomer              1%       25%        8%       0%       45%
WellsKip                 2%       25%        8%       0%       50%
LecureSamuel             1%       16%        4%       0%       10%
KennardJeff              1%       20%        4%       0%       40%
JukichBenjamin           0%       13%        1%       0%       20%
ViolaPedro               1%       13%       30%       0%       23%
AveryJames               0%        2%        0%       0%       12%

Extrapolated Career Statistics

Name               BA  OBP  SLG    G    AB      R      H   2B  3B   HR  RBI    BB     SO  SB  CS OPS+
PhillipsBrandon  .265 .315 .422 1687  6509    875   1728  300  46  210  938   420   1045 248  92   91
RolenScott       .280 .362 .479 2083  7644   1227   2143  530  41  304 1244   904   1364 119  53  118
VottoJoey        .282 .364 .475 1896  6872    985   1935  408  25  291 1109   866   1525  98  57  119
TaverasWilly     .268 .316 .324  982  3666    540    984  119  21   14  191   213    594 295  65   67

Player              W     L     S   ERA      G     GS   IP      H     HR     BB     SO   ERA+
ArroyoBronson     168   171     1  4.31    476    440 2798   2895    386    886   1887    105
CorderoFrancisc    61    51   480  3.20   1006      0 1027    913     77    472   1057    145
HarangAaron       156   158     0  4.23    433    427 2714   2841    395    736   2293    105

All figures in % based on projection playing time 


Disclaimer:  ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance.  
Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors - 
many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2009.  
ZiPS is projecting equivalent production - a .240 ZiPS projection may end up 
being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example.  Whether or not a player will play 
is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting 
the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake.  
This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in
the offseason.  

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.46 ERA and the NL having a 4.41 ERA.

Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected.  More information
is always better than less information and a computer isn't what should be projecting
the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.

Positional offense is ranked by RC/27 and divided into quintiles based on what the 
most frequent starting players at each position did in 2007-2009.  Excellent is the top
quintile, Very Good the 2nd quintile and so on.

2010 ZiPS Projections Archive

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Colorado Rockies

Dan Szymborski Posted: October 21, 2009 at 07:51 PM | 35 comment(s)
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   1. STEAGLES came to play  Posted: October 21, 2009 at 07:16 PM (#3361562)
tony bernazard?
   2. Frank Rook  Posted: October 21, 2009 at 08:04 PM (#3361622)
I had no idea that Red SS was so horrible. Is there a worse organizational hole in baseball?
   3. Mike Emeigh  Posted: October 21, 2009 at 08:15 PM (#3361636)
I had no idea that Red SS was so horrible.


It's not, really. Valaika broke a hand in May and didn't really recover until the end of the year; I expect his bat to show up next year. Zack Cozart (who for some reason doesn't have a projection here) jumped from low-A to AA and held his own. I would think that one or the other will get a shot at the job sometime next year.

-- MWE
   4. Jason Kendall's #6,530,420,771 fan (AS)  Posted: October 21, 2009 at 08:16 PM (#3361638)
I had no idea that Red SS was so horrible. Is there a worse organizational hole in baseball?


I dunno, the Royals' everything?
   5. snapper  Posted: October 21, 2009 at 08:25 PM (#3361651)
I dunno, the Royals' everything?

If the Royals could keep Zach Greinke and their minor leagues, and re-enter as an expansion team, could they assemble a better team from the expansion draft? I say yes.
   6. The Fallen Reputation of Billy Jo Robidoux  Posted: October 21, 2009 at 10:00 PM (#3361721)
I cannot believe Kevin Barker is still playing, and not badly at that.
   7. puck  Posted: October 21, 2009 at 10:14 PM (#3361736)
I hope Jay Bruce does better than his projection. He had a wrist injury, right? That's always scary. He hit pretty well in Sept, for what that's worth.
   8. Primakov is once again done with politics  Posted: October 21, 2009 at 11:26 PM (#3361792)
Votto's going to have a productive but short career, eh?
   9. Juan V has had a good baseball year  Posted: October 21, 2009 at 11:33 PM (#3361800)
Can you make an offensive projection for Owings?
   10. Al Kaline Trio  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 01:00 AM (#3361842)
Thats a shits amount of career HR's for the pitchers.
   11. Trevor Crowe T. Robot (Dan Lee)  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 01:39 AM (#3361858)
after making Plans A through Z at the position a mediocre player that missed the entire 2008 season
When Dusty resorted to Option J, that's when he crossed the line.
   12. JoeHova  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 02:34 AM (#3361867)
What kind of record do people think these projections would translate into? Their pitching looks surprisingly good, even with Volquez injured.
   13. Walt Davis  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 02:44 AM (#3361868)
Which scenario is more plausible?

What if the 12-year-old is Darren Baker?

You sure about those Brandon Phillips comps? Javier was an awful hitter (OPS+ of 83, 90, 58 ages 26-28). I'd never heard of Crtiz but looked him up and he was awful too (90, 58, 55). Bolling wasn't too bad. Phillips has a lot more power than any of them (thought I'm too lazy to look at context).
   14. Harveys Wallbangers  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 04:55 AM (#3361887)
I am less enamored with Phillips. He was clearly caught jaking it several times this season. Each time he would swear it wouldn't happen again and then it would.

Not a good sign
   15. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 07:15 AM (#3361917)
Those Phillips comps listed are quite bizarre. I think I must have copied and pasted from the wrong player, so I'll double-check.
   16. Mike Emeigh  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 07:18 AM (#3361920)
What kind of record do people think these projections would translate into?


It really depends on who plays, I think. I don't see a rotation ace and I don't see much help for Votto unless Bruce takes a step forward.

-- MWE
   17. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 08:15 AM (#3361975)
I double-checked and I have no idea where Critz and Javier come from. The projection stays the same, so it's likely that it was human error at some point in the chain.

ZiPS does have a hard time finding good comps for Phillips as he's fairly unique. As a quick example, just looking at Phillips home runs and his speed, I only have 27 second basemen in my database that are within half-a-deviation or closer on just those 2 factors at close ages. Adding in RC/27 outs and I'm already down to 16 players.

As such, generic aging factors are a pretty big factor in Phillips's projections.
   18. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 08:31 AM (#3361994)
Thats a shits amount of career HR's for the pitchers.

Ack! Those are earned runs! I'll have to fix.

Votto's going to have a productive but short career, eh?

That's mostly uncertainty - he doesn't have a lot of playing time "in the bag" right now.
   19. Nothing Iffey About Griffey  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 08:32 AM (#3361997)
There's no way that Drew Stubbs puts up a lower OBP than Taveras next year. None.

I'll take the over on Votto. He put up a 152 OPS+ this year and and an OPS over 100 points higher than this projection. Why would ZIPS see him as the same player as 2008?

edit: I see Dan answered my question as I was typing it. Personally, I see Votto having a career similar to Berkman. He's a tremendous hitter.
   20. Walt Davis  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 01:12 PM (#3362390)
I'm also surprised to see that Hernandez still projects as an average C. If his defense is really average, he might not be a bad guy for the Yankees to sign to take 60-80 games (with Posada usually sliding to DH). Depending on how much he wants of course.

EDIT: and on Phillips' comps, how about just calling him 80% of Sandberg or something?
   21. Dayton Moore is a Big Fat Idiot (AG#1F)  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 01:15 PM (#3362395)
Wow, Arthur Rhodes is still around and still productive. He is entering Jesse Orosco/Julio Franco territory.
   22. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad)  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 06:18 PM (#3362751)
"Can you make an offensive projection for Owings?"

I, too, am curious about this.
   23. dirk  Posted: October 22, 2009 at 11:58 PM (#3363549)
i ran a projection for owings using the sims 2. he gets married to a guy and adopts a chinese kid.
   24. bigseries  Posted: October 23, 2009 at 09:11 AM (#3363693)
If you do a quick FIP on Cordero of (BB*3-K*2+HR*13)/IP+3.20, you come out with an ERA of 3.43. Is his predicted ERA in some way based on the fact that he has consistently ourperformed his FIPs in the past?
   25. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 23, 2009 at 09:29 AM (#3363724)
Simply put, FIP is defense-neutral. ERA is not. There's also a slight ability level of a player to outperform component ERA (I use xERA) over the long-haul, especially relievers.

Closers also naturally have a slightly lower ERA (by 0.05 to 0.15) simply because of 9th inning road blown saves losses, which lead to runners being unnaturally stranded. It doesn't take many of these to slightly move the ERA of a pitching with 70 IP.
   26. Mike Emeigh  Posted: October 23, 2009 at 09:35 AM (#3363731)
Dan:

Can you do a projection on Cozart?

-- MWE
   27. bigseries  Posted: October 23, 2009 at 09:43 AM (#3363741)
So the ER allowed prediction takes into account both the park and the defense behind the pitcher?
   28. Dan Szymborski  Posted: October 23, 2009 at 09:52 AM (#3363748)
Yes and yes. I'm conservative in the latter, due to not knowing exact team personnel - team defense regressed to the mean is a fairly useful indicator of future team defense and as I said, I apply it conservatively.
   29. Mike Emeigh  Posted: October 23, 2009 at 10:07 AM (#3363762)
Random other comments:

Alonso WILL start 2010, my guess is at AA for about six weeks. He's going to hit in the majors; the main question with this team is where he and Votto will play. There's been some talk about Votto going to left field, and that's probably the best way to go. I like Alonso's defense at 1B; he reacts well going both ways. He reminds me quite a bit of Adrian Gonzalez at the plate, with surprising power to center and left-center.

Frazier was moved off SS, and while he played some 2B this year, he didn't play it especially well, and he wasn't any great shakes in LF last year (although he did have a pile of assists). Again, I think the bat will play in the majors, but I really have no idea where he's going to end up, either.

Francisco isn't a switch-hitter; he bats left all the way. He led the Southern League in errors this year, by a bunch, and there were a LOT of other balls that got by him that he didn't even make the faintest effort to field - when he made a dive for a ball in a game late in the season the Section 210 regulars all sort of looked at each other in shock that he'd actually gotten his uniform dirty. He can be handled with high heat, either up and in or up and away; he just can't lay off those pitches most of the time (although that is one area where he did improve somewhat as the season went on). In 11 years here I don't think I've seen the Mudcats' fan base react so negatively to a guy, and it wasn't just the Section 210 folks, either. Francisco can hit the ball a long way - but he reminds me so much of Jason Stokes as a hitter, even though Stokes batted right and Francisco hits left, that it's not funny. I'm amused that two of his three listed comps are failed Baltimore 3B prospects.

-- MWE
   30. danielj  Posted: October 26, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3366945)
I can see Bruce hitting a LOT of HRs if he's healthy.
   31. SouthSideRyan  Posted: October 28, 2009 at 02:19 PM (#3368740)
There's no way Steel was a better movie than Kazaam.
   32. ichiro51  Posted: November 15, 2009 at 03:23 PM (#3388188)
Dan, or anybody for that matter,
I have a questions regarding:

Chris Dickerson* lf 28 .247 .336 .394 119 388 53 96 17 5 10 39 50 122 17 5 93

How is his OBP so low? So far, in his 421 ML PA, he's posted a .383 OBP with a great BB % and improving K %. Just wondering how the projection has his OBP so much lower than his career, even though his career has been pretty short so far.
   33. Joshua Gibsons Ruth (Voxter)  Posted: November 15, 2009 at 03:36 PM (#3388193)
I can't speak for Dan's model, but my guess is that 421 ML plate appearances aren't really that much, and he's a 28-year-old career minor leaguer without much power. A lot of dudes see their BB rates collapse in the majors if they don't prove they can punish a pitch in the zone.
   34. Rays&Sox;  Posted: January 05, 2010 at 08:49 PM (#3429197)
Dan,
Could you check Bruce's numbers again?

James .274/.340/.537, 877 OPS
CHONE .283/.349/.537, 886 OPS
ZiPS .251/.315/.459, 774 OPS

Bruce is interesting, through age 22 Bonds is his top comp on BBRef and Wily Mo is his second. Talk about could go either way, though Reggie Jackson is #4.
   35. kfsports  Posted: January 27, 2010 at 07:23 AM (#3447479)
Dan, Would you please include the projection for P Enerio Del Rosario prior to the final version. He seems to have found a magic ground ball pitch. Thanks
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