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Wednesday, October 07, 2009

2010 ZiPS Projections - Minnesota Twins

The 2009 Twins are probably one of the strongest examples of a "Stars n' Scrubs" teams that we've had in recent years, with the team kind of resembling a hybrid between the American Dreams and the SNK Crushers.

The starting pitching was extremely disappointing and the biggest obstacle the Twins have this offseason is that they will probably have the lesser starting pitcher in every game they play this month. I agree with ZiPS that Baker and Slowey will be a bit better than league-average and Blackburn about average, but Liriano didn't return to be an ace, as least as of yet, and that really hurt the team.

Luckily for Twins fans, the team survived on the strength of 5 starters having star seasons and one of the greatest seasons by a catcher in baseball history. Nathan was great, the rest of the bullpen was solid, and the Twins had one of the most exciting stretch runs ever. Mauer and Morneau with a supporting cast of Cuddyer/Kubel/Span look solid going forward, but all bets are off after 2010 if they don't sign Mauer.

Offensive Projections 

Name                     P  Age   AVG   OBP   SLG   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS  OPS+ 
Joe Mauer*               c   27  .336  .418  .525 132 497  84 167 31  3 19  84  73  55  4  1   148 
Justin Morneau*          1b  29  .286  .367  .512 149 570  88 163 35  2 30 110  74  91  1  1   129 
Jason Kubel*             dh  28  .278  .350  .484 135 457  62 127 27  2 21  76  51  91  2  1   118 
Michael Cuddyer          rf  31  .275  .348  .475 123 465  71 128 28  4 19  71  48  93  5  1   115 
Denard Span*             cf  26  .290  .365  .392 142 549  85 159 21  7  7  60  61  96 24 12   101 
Delmon Young             lf  24  .286  .324  .426 138 521  68 149 28  3 13  75  28 108  8  4    97 
Brian Buscher*           3b  29  .269  .342  .378 112 357  40  96 16  1  7  44  37  65  2  2    91 
Brendan Harris           ss  29  .267  .327  .394 129 449  58 120 26  2  9  49  38  91  2  2    90 
Orlando Cabrera          ss  35  .282  .326  .377 142 586  80 165 31  2  7  64  42  65 16  4    86 
Justin Huber             dh  27  .252  .316  .407 109 381  38  96 18  1 13  51  30  83  2  2    90 
Joe Crede                3b  32  .246  .305  .422  91 329  37  81 17  1 13  45  26  50  0  1    90 
Jose Morales             c   27  .282  .335  .369  94 309  32  87 16  1  3  27  24  45  1  2    87 
Ben Revere*              cf  22  .283  .332  .366 114 459  63 130 20  3  4  42  29  46 30 15    85 
Mike Redmond             c   39  .279  .332  .355  53 172  16  48  8  1  1  19  11  19  0  0    82 
Nick Punto#              ss  32  .251  .331  .331 114 359  49  90 17  3  2  33  45  65 15  4    76 
Matt Tolbert#            2b  28  .260  .311  .362 102 354  48  92 16  4  4  32  25  56 10  4    77 
Tommy Watkins#           lf  28  .263  .321  .358  84 243  33  64 12  1  3  25  20  41  5  4    80 
Luke Hughes              3b  25  .240  .295  .377  98 371  41  89 18  3  9  44  27  94  4  1    76 
Brock Peterson           1b  26  .242  .302  .366 114 413  46 100 19  1 10  44  31 109  1  1    76 
Wilson Ramos             c   22  .256  .297  .369  88 328  33  84 17  1  6  40  17  69  0  0    75 
Daniel Valencia          3b  25  .251  .294  .377 133 517  62 130 28  2 11  55  32 112  1  3    76 
Alexi Casilla#           2b  25  .259  .317  .333 130 468  61 121 17  3  4  39  39  70 20  7    73 
Carlos Gomez             cf  24  .249  .303  .359 136 398  59  99 18  4  6  39  26  92 23  8    75 
Matt Macri               3b  28  .238  .292  .385 111 374  44  89 21  2 10  39  27  92  4  4    77 
Steve Tolleson           ss  26  .253  .315  .341 116 454  56 115 21  2  5  33  39  88 11  8    74 
Trevor Plouffe           ss  24  .254  .297  .370 128 492  59 125 27  3  8  51  30  91  5  6    75 
David Winfree            rf  24  .244  .287  .377 125 467  44 114 25  2 11  52  27 106  1  2    74 
Chris Parmelee*          1b  22  .217  .299  .352 110 401  40  87 19  1 11  49  45 127  2  2    72 
Jason Pridie*            cf  26  .253  .286  .362 132 538  70 136 22  5  9  48  24 109 21  8    70 
Dustin Martin*           lf  26  .239  .294  .328 123 464  50 111 20  3  5  46  34 119 16  7    65 
Drew Butera              c   26  .234  .286  .327 102 333  28  78 17  1  4  30  22  65  0  1    62 
Deibinson Romero         3b  23  .214  .274  .306  96 360  42  77 16  1  5  38  28  99  2  2    53 

Defensive Projections
*
Name               CThr 1b      2b      3b      ss      lf      cf      rf      
Mauer*             Av                                                           
Morneau*                Av/69                                                   
Kubel*                                                  Pr/102          Pr/69   
Cuddyer                 Fr/104                                  Pr/104  Pr/80   
Span*                                                   Vg/103  Av/127  Av/112  
Young                                                   Fr/140  Pr/182  Fr/95   
Buscher*                Av/125          Fr/125                                  
Harris                          Fr/104  Pr/105  Fr/106                          
Cabrera                                         Av/95                           
Huber                   Fr/141                          Fr/70           Fr/70   
Crede                                   Ex/100                                  
Morales            Fr                                                           
Revere*                                                 Av/186  Av/186          
Redmond            Fr                                                           
Punto#                          Av/80   Av/71   Av/101                          
Tolbert#                        Fr/122  Av/105  Pr/85                           
Watkins#                        Fr/79   Av/194  Pr/81   Vg/179                  
Hughes                  Fr/136  Pr/121  Pr/179          Av/121                  
Peterson                Av/143                          Fr/185                  
Ramos              Vg                                                           
Valencia                                Vg/130                                  
Casilla#                        Fr/152          Fr/127                          
Gomez                                                   Vg/118  Ex/118  Vg/118  
Macri                           Vg/135  Fr/144  Fr/177                          
Tolleson                        Vg/210          Fr/193  Av/130  Av/130          
Plouffe                         Fr/113  Av/113  Fr/162                          
Winfree                 Av/211          Fr/182                          Av/124  
Parmelee*               Fr/166                                          Fr/162  
Pridie*                                                 Vg/116  Vg/117  Vg/116  
Martin*                                                 Vg/132  Av/109  Av/175  
Butera             Vg                                                           
Romero                                  Av/163                                  

* - Bats Left
# - Switch Hitter

ODDIBE (Odds of Important Baseball Events)

Name               PO    EX    VG    AV    FR    PO          COMP 1          COMP 2          COMP 3
MauerJoe            C   98%    2%    0%    0%    0%  CochraneMickey      SimmonsTed   MunsonThurman
MorneauJustin      1B   28%   41%   19%   10%    2%  PalmeiroRafael      MincherDon       TroskyHal
KubelJason         DH   15%   29%   25%   24%    8%      KleskoRyan      SandersRay       TerryBill
CuddyerMichael     RF   21%   31%   21%   17%   11%      JohnsonRoy    CalderonIvan         SmithAl
SpanDenard         CF   13%   21%   32%   23%   10%     LoftonKenny     MetzlerAlex  PodsednikScott
YoungDelmon        LF    4%    6%   11%   24%   56%       LeeCarlos    WhiteRondell         RudiJoe
CabreraOrlando     SS    9%   17%   34%   27%   14%    AparicioLuis     RizzutoPhil       DarkAlvin
BuscherBrian       3B    2%    4%   13%   33%   48%   BurnettJohnny    HatfieldFred      LumpeJerry
HarrisBrendan      SS   11%   15%   30%   29%   15%     MarionMarty  GustineFrankie         BellJay
HuberJustin        DH    0%    0%    2%   21%   77%        CostoTim      MormanRuss      HolmesStan
RevereBen          CF    0%    2%   13%   38%   47%   WatsonBrandon      RomeroAlex     DamonJohnny
CredeJoe           3B    2%    5%   13%   27%   52%     BatistaTony      BoyerCleteRodriguezAurelio
MoralesJose         C    1%    9%   24%   43%   24%     GoochJohnny     WilsonCraig     BertellDick
RedmondMike         C    0%    9%   24%   37%   30%      GuerraMike      BordersPat     FerrellRick
PuntoNick          SS    2%    8%   23%   35%   32%       WeissWalt   CounsellCraig   FernandezTony
TolbertMatt        2B    0%    1%    4%   20%   74%   LirianoNelson    CastroBernie      MaciasJose
GomezCarlos        CF    0%    1%    6%   29%   63%      RepkoJasonAllensworthJerma      CottoHenry
WatkinsTommy       LF    0%    1%    2%    4%   93%      AllenEthan        EvansJoe   PhillipsBubba
HughesLuke         3B    0%    1%    2%   11%   86%     MoronkoJeff     RedfieldJoe CianfroccoArchi
CasillaAlexi       2B    0%    1%    3%   17%   79%     WigginsAlan      CarterJeff   WalewanderJim
RamosWilson         C    0%    1%    7%   37%   56%   RodriguezIvan   CardonaJavier     PagnozziTom
PetersonBrock      1B    0%    0%    0%    3%   97%      MurrayRich      MormanRuss  CarpenterGlenn
ValenciaDaniel     3B    0%    1%    2%    7%   90%    HayesCharlie     MoronkoJeff    SpanosVasili
MacriMatt          3B    0%    0%    1%    6%   92%      TrubyChris     BrookensTom     RedfieldJoe
PridieJason        CF    0%    0%    2%   15%   83%      DuffyChris     CrosbyBubba     GomezAlexis
PlouffeTrevor      SS    1%    2%    9%   29%   60%   RamirezRafael      WilsonJosh  VersallesZoilo
WinfreeDavid       RF    0%    0%    0%    1%   99%      MohrDustan     JohnsonAdam      VarnerGary
TollesonSteven     2B    0%    0%    2%   11%   87%  GustineFrankie    CoachmanPete     LansingMike
ParmeleeChris      1B    0%    0%    0%    1%   99%      NelsonBrad        CoxSteve     CastroEdgar
MartinDustin       LF    0%    0%    0%    0%  100%     BubelaJaime       ClarkDoug       RainesTim
ButeraDrew          C    0%    0%    0%    4%   96%       WilsonDan    MillerDamian      PurdomJohn
RomeroDeibinson    3B    0%    0%    0%    0%  100%  HendersonRamon       WoodsTony       RoseBobby

Name              .300 BA .375 OBP.500 SLG 140 OPS+ 45 2B   10 3B   30 HR   30 SB
MauerJoe              90%     93%     64%     60%      5%      0%     11%      0%
MorneauJustin         29%     38%     55%     24%     12%      0%     44%      0%
KubelJason            22%     20%     33%     12%      1%      0%     10%      0%
CuddyerMichael        17%     17%     30%     10%      1%      4%      9%      0%
SpanDenard            34%     33%      0%      0%      0%     25%      0%     23%
YoungDelmon           29%      3%      5%      2%      2%      0%      1%      0%
CabreraOrlando        22%      4%      1%      0%      7%      0%      0%      1%
BuscherBrian          13%     11%      1%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%
HarrisBrendan         14%      6%      2%      0%      1%      0%      0%      0%
HuberJustin            2%      1%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
RevereBen             26%      4%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%     56%
CredeJoe               3%      1%      7%      1%      0%      0%      1%      0%
MoralesJose           26%      9%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
RedmondMike           33%     15%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
PuntoNick              5%      7%      0%      0%      0%      1%      0%      0%
TolbertMatt            7%      1%      0%      0%      0%      1%      0%      0%
GomezCarlos            2%      0%      0%      0%      0%      2%      0%     13%
WatkinsTommy          13%      5%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
HughesLuke             1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
CasillaAlexi           3%      1%      0%      0%      0%      1%      0%      5%
RamosWilson            4%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
PetersonBrock          1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
ValenciaDaniel         2%      0%      1%      0%      1%      0%      0%      0%
MacriMatt              1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
PridieJason            1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      7%      0%      6%
PlouffeTrevor          3%      0%      0%      0%      1%      1%      0%      0%
WinfreeDavid           1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
TollesonSteven         3%      1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
ParmeleeChris          0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
MartinDustin           0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      1%      0%      0%
ButeraDrew             1%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%
RomeroDeibinson        0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%      0%

Pitching Statistics - Starters

Name                     Age    ERA   W   L   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K ERA+ 
Kevin Slowey              26   4.40  10   9  26  25   147.1  160   72  22   27  108  101 
Scott Baker               28   4.45  12  11  33  32   196.0  199   97  25   45  153  100 
Nick Blackburn            28   4.61  11  11  32  31   183.2  217   94  24   42   86   97 
Francisco Liriano*        26   4.68  10  10  31  26   157.2  156   82  19   62  143   95 
Carl Pavano               34   5.04   6   8  19  19   110.2  127   62  16   25   72   88 
Brian Duensing*           27   5.18   8  10  32  24   149.1  176   86  20   49   75   86 
Boof Bonser               28   5.24   3   5  23  11    80.2   89   47  12   29   64   86 
Jeff Manship              25   5.39   8  11  29  26   140.1  167   84  15   58   72   83 
Glen Perkins*             27   5.62   5   8  25  20   115.1  139   72  20   38   58   80 
Anthony Swarzak           24   5.88   6  11  27  27   137.2  170   90  22   55   69   76 
Jason Jones               26   6.18   6  14  27  23   137.0  170   94  25   48   57   70 
Matt Fox                  27   6.37   5  10  28  20   113.0  140   80  20   58   63   70 
Phil Humber               28   6.65   5  12  32  23   130.0  159   96  28   61   74   67 
Cole Devries              25   6.80   5  13  25  25   124.1  167   94  27   58   59   66 
Deolis Guerra             21   7.06   6  16  27  25   125.0  160   98  22   73   58   63 

Pitching Statistics - Relievers

Name                     Age    ERA   W   L   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K ERA+ 
Joe Nathan                35   2.73   3   1  65   0    62.2   48   19   6   21   75  160 
Matt Guerrier             31   4.04   5   4  76   0    75.2   75   34  10   24   55  110 
Jose Mijares*             25   4.09   3   2  58   0    55.0   53   25   6   21   46  111 
Pat Neshek                29   4.21   2   1  30   0    25.2   22   12   3   10   28  109 
Ron Mahay*                39   4.34   2   2  55   0    58.0   61   28   8   27   44  101 
Robert Delaney            25   4.40   4   4  58   0    71.2   74   35   7   23   50  101 
Jon Rauch                 31   4.40   5   5  77   0    71.2   75   35   9   22   53  101 
Anthony Slama             26   4.50   3   3  52   0    60.0   56   30   6   38   59   98 
Jesse Crain               28   4.58   5   5  57   0    55.0   55   28   6   25   44   97 
Bob Keppel                28   4.75   3   3  64   0    94.2  107   50   7   34   44   93 
R.A. Dickey               35   5.39   5   7  37  13   123.2  145   74  17   52   63   83 
Armando Gabino            26   5.53   4   6  47   4    84.2   99   52  11   39   43   81 
Juan Morillo              26   5.65   4   5  55   0    65.1   65   41   6   57   51   80 
Reid Santos*              27   5.90   3   6  35  11    90.0  109   59  15   38   52   76 
Tim Lahey                 28   6.12   3   6  49   0    64.2   78   44  10   33   36   73 

* - Throws Left

ODDIBE (Odds of Important Baseball Events)

Player             PO      TOP   MID   BOT            COMP 1            COMP 2            COMP 3
NathanJoe          RP       88%   12%    0%     RiveraMariano          HenkeTom       JacksonMike
MijaresJose        RP       28%   52%   20%       StantonMike          PooleJim     van de BergEd
GuerrierMatt       RP       28%   55%   17%       PeraltaJoel          CorsiJim     SpradlinJerry
NeshekPat          RP       44%   30%   26%      HumphreysBob       JonesGordon     BradfordLarry
RauchJon           RP       16%   55%   29%       MooreDonnie           BeckRod          GieseDan
MahayRon           RP       19%   47%   34%        VilloneRon       StantonMike        CookDennis
SloweyKevin        SP       29%   60%   11%    SandersonScott      ShieldsJames      WoodardSteve
DelaneyRobert      RP       13%   55%   32%       BennettErik   NakamuraMicheal       CoucheeMike
BakerScott         SP       29%   59%   12%   EckersleyDennis    SandersonScott       MussinaMike
SlamaAnthony       RP       12%   51%   37%       LittellMark       BukvichRyan        JenksBobby
BlackburnNick      SP       23%   56%   21%       SilvaCarlos        TowersJosh        BrennanTom
CrainJesse         RP        9%   44%   46%     CastilloBobby       FlorieBryce           RyanKen
LirianoFrancisco   SP       18%   61%   21%    BannisterFloyd       DeshaiesJim        BurnsBritt
KeppelBobby        RP        6%   39%   55%        MurrayDale      DevineAdrian        LinzyFrank
PavanoCarl         SP        7%   46%   47%      ColonBartolo        EilandDave         LieberJon
DuensingBrian      SP        6%   44%   51%       PriestEddie       HillmanEric    RheineckerJohn
BonserBoof         SP        2%   28%   70%      CarlyleBuddy    McGaffiganAndy        HarrisGreg
DickeyR.A.         SP        1%   17%   82%         SlatonJim      FranklinRyan        WalkerPete
ManshipJeffrey     SP        2%   34%   64%        LaCossMike         ScottMike     BaekCha-Seung
GabinoArmando      RP        0%   16%   84%      DavenportJoe         SmithDave        RoehlScott
MorilloJuan        RP        1%   17%   82%       BowlesBrian        BarryKevin      AndersonRick
PerkinsGlen        SP        1%   23%   76%       GassnerDave      IlsleyBlaise      BeattyBlaine
SantosReid         SP        0%    7%   93%       MalaskaMark         WardBryan           LeeMark
SwarzakAnthony     SP        0%   11%   89%       PowellBrian  ClutterbuckBryan      LeeseBrandon
LaheyTimothy       RP        0%    6%   94%         SmallMark        NickleDoug       RitchieTodd
FoxMatthew         SP        0%    4%   96%       KelingKorey     MendozaHatuey      BouknightKip
HumberPhilip       SP        0%    2%   98%        LintonDoug       LeisterJohn         MottlRyan
JonesJason         SP        0%    1%   99%     MiddletonKyle       TamayoDanny       ZieglerBrad
DevriesCole        SP        0%    1%   99%       TamayoDanny      ValdezEdward         BrowerJim
GuerraDeolis       SP        0%    0%  100%       StemleSteve        RotheyMark          MackTony

Player             130 ERA+  100 ERA+    K/9 >8  BB/9 <2   HR/9 <1
NathanJoe               88%      100%       99%       8%       74%
MijaresJose             28%       74%       29%       2%       59%
GuerrierMatt            18%       73%        5%       9%       38%
NeshekPat               33%       65%       68%      17%       62%
RauchJon                12%       59%        5%      14%       51%
MahayRon                14%       52%       11%       1%       36%
SloweyKevin              5%       58%        4%      85%       16%
DelaneyRobert            9%       55%        2%       7%       67%
BakerScott               4%       57%       12%      49%       39%
SlamaAnthony            12%       56%       73%       0%       79%
BlackburnNick            3%       46%        0%      53%       32%
CrainJesse               9%       46%       21%       0%       63%
LirianoFrancisco         2%       40%       55%       1%       48%
KeppelBobby              5%       36%        0%       4%       83%
PavanoCarl               1%       22%        1%      55%       21%
DuensingBrian            1%       17%        0%       5%       35%
BonserBoof               1%       20%       16%       3%       27%
DickeyR.A.               1%       11%        1%       2%       36%
ManshipJeffrey           0%        9%        0%       0%       63%
GabinoArmando            0%       10%        0%       0%       40%
MorilloJuan              1%       10%       16%       0%       80%
PerkinsGlen              0%        5%        0%       5%       11%
SantosReid               0%        3%        0%       0%       13%
SwarzakAnthony           0%        1%        0%       0%       13%
LaheyTimothy             0%        4%        0%       0%       22%
FoxMatthew               0%        1%        0%       0%        8%
HumberPhilip             0%        0%        0%       0%        1%
JonesJason               0%        0%        0%       0%        3%
DevriesCole              0%        0%        0%       0%        1%
GuerraDeolis             0%        0%        0%       0%        8%

Extrapolated Career Statistics

Name               BA  OBP  SLG    G    AB      R      H   2B  3B   HR  RBI    BB     SO  SB  CS OPS+
MorneauJustin    .274 .350 .482 2162  8138   1191   2229  470  31  386 1502   971   1347   8  18  118
MauerJoe         .318 .403 .477 2306  8616   1377   2743  491  43  263 1296  1265   1020  83  24  133
CuddyerMichael   .265 .338 .451 1530  5534    814   1468  320  49  203  786   560   1160  63  19  107

Player              W     L     S   ERA      G     GS   IP      H     HR     BB     SO   ERA+
NathanJoe          63    29   478  2.85    918     29 1050    786    100    387   1148    154

All figures in % based on projection playing time 


Disclaimer:  ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance.  
Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors - 
many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2009.  
ZiPS is projecting equivalent production - a .240 ZiPS projection may end up 
being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example.  Whether or not a player will play 
is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting 
the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake.  
This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in
the offseason.  

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.46 ERA and the NL having a 4.41 ERA.

Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected.  More information
is always better than less information and a computer isn't what should be projecting
the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.

Positional offense is ranked by RC/27 and divided into quintiles based on what the 
most frequent starting players at each position did in 2007-2009.  Excellent is the top
quintile, Very Good the 2nd quintile and so on.

Defense is given both as a range number in the same quintiles (EX/VG/AV/FR/PO).  The number after
the range is the projected error rate as a percentage of league average, with higher numbers being
worse.
Dan Szymborski Posted: October 07, 2009 at 01:12 PM | 29 comment(s)
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   1. The Joe Mauer Power Hour (kj)  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 12:21 PM (#3343804)
I don't see a third straight one-game playoff listed in ODDIBE.
   2. Dayton Moore is a Big Fat Idiot (AG#1F)  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 12:29 PM (#3343820)
I want to see Anthony Slama in the big leagues just for his name.
   3. Dewey, Local Boy and Soupuss  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 12:43 PM (#3343846)
Wow, that dropoff from Mauer-Morneau-Cuddyer-Kubel-Span is pretty huge. I had never really looked at their roster that closely before.

Kudos to the Twins for winning the division with this group.
   4. Ball Point Pen Guy (Will Young)  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 12:48 PM (#3343857)
There is no way Mike Redmond hits a triple in 2010.
   5. Ryan Jones  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 12:52 PM (#3343862)
If Benji Molina could hit a triple this year, then anything is possible.
   6. Cris E  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 01:00 PM (#3343877)
1. Is that Career Projection for Mauer all Catcher?

2. One funny thing about the Twins: if you look through the comp lists above you keep seeing the names of former Twins come up. For good (Mike Jackson) or ill (Tony Batista, Rondell White) they know what they want and they keep going after it.

3. I can't tell if this team is built for the regular season or the post-season. The stars carry you to the World Series (Mauer, Morneau, Nathan) but depth and not giving away starts wins in the regular season and they have four #2/3 starters and a lot of 80-85 ERA+ guys for #5 plus a heap of fair relievers and only a couple of defense fetishist spots to fill around average or better batters. The trouble is, they do give away regular season games with the defense fetish, and they aren't built for the post season because they have no #1/2 starters. It's close to a very good team (and good fundamentals may make it more likely that the bad guys don't lose for you even when they aren't winning for you either) but it's not quite there.
   7. Cris E  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 01:05 PM (#3343885)
Oh, and I take the under on the Redmond projection, whatever it is. 82 OPS+ ? Too high. He looks utterly done, even as a traditional backup. In a situation where they might want to DH Mauer more than a normal starting catcher he's a very bad fit.
   8. Craig in MN  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 01:05 PM (#3343888)
Seeing Brian Buscher so close to the top of that list makes me want to poke my eyes out.

The good news is that the Twins are a #1 starter, a decent infielder, and a bench bat away from being a really good team. And the bullpen should be very solid either way. I think I said the same things last year, though.
   9. Walt Davis  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 01:17 PM (#3343907)
For a team with a "fundamentals" rep, the Twins sure play some lousy defense (according to ZiPS). Carlos Gomez, a couple of average guys and a bunch of drek.

You know the aged SS pickings are slim when Jeter and Cabrera have the same top 2 comps (in different order).

And so ZiPS is projecting that Matt Macri is going to make a deal with the devil any moment now?

I do love the comps just for all the names -- whoever thought I'd see Jerry Lumpe's name again?
   10. The Joe Mauer Power Hour (kj)  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 01:25 PM (#3343916)
For a team with a "fundamentals" rep, the Twins sure play some lousy defense (according to ZiPS).

The fundamentals reputation was earned by previous teams and is still applied to this one by lazy sportscasters. This team played a completely different brand of baseball than the Twins have provided in the past--mediocre starting pitching, lots of homeruns, less than stellar defense.
   11. He's Bought a Bat Like Prince Fielder  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 01:26 PM (#3343917)

I do love the comps just for all the names -- whoever thought I'd see Jerry Lumpe's name again?


He's Lumpe! He's Lumpe! He's in Walt's head.
   12. Primakov is once again done with politics  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 06:00 PM (#3344349)
Not ZIPS related, but:

Darling: "I don't think anyone has made the transition from shortstop to third as well as Alex Rodriguez."


BULL @(#*$&@#*$
   13. Eric J  Posted: October 07, 2009 at 06:28 PM (#3344446)
1. Is that Career Projection for Mauer all Catcher?

Technically, Mauer wasn't even all catcher this year - he was about 80% catcher, 20% DH.
   14. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong  Posted: October 08, 2009 at 12:26 AM (#3344743)
So Mauer is the greatest catcher of all time? That's pretty cool.
   15. Harry Balsagne Teaches The Correct Way to Hit!!  Posted: October 08, 2009 at 01:01 AM (#3344753)
The fundamentals reputation was earned by previous teams and is still applied to this one by lazy sportscasters. This team played a completely different brand of baseball than the Twins have provided in the past--mediocre starting pitching, lots of homeruns, less than stellar defense.

Another way of putting it would be that was earned by the enduring baseball paradigm of Ron Gardenhire, regardless of the actual skill set of his players.
   16. CWS Keith  Posted: October 08, 2009 at 01:52 AM (#3344759)
Is Span really only an average defensive CFer? I have to admit I was pretty surprised to see that his UZR in CF for his career is -11. I admittedly only watch the Twins when the Sox play them, but he looks pretty spectacular wherever he's at in the OF...
   17. Matt Clement of Alexandria  Posted: October 08, 2009 at 05:41 AM (#3344778)
The Twins, in theory, are perfectly aligned for the offseason. They have gaping holes in the infield which can be significantly upgraded just with below average players, and they don't actually need any pitching at all. While the Twins have nearly $60M locked up going into 2010, they're also opening a new ballpark and should have a bit more cash to spend. There are a reasonable number of competent 2B/3B types out there, and two of those guys are really all they need to be the best AL Central club going into 2010.

They could also see real improvement from dumping Delmon Young and picking up a better fielder for LF, even if they didn't improve his offense by much. (If only Carlos Gomez could hit at all.)
   18. sunnyday2  Posted: October 08, 2009 at 05:53 AM (#3344779)
It's very hard with those projections to get to 1450 IP from that staff. You have to go about 7 starters and 7 relievers deep to do it, but of course that was the pattern this past year. The starters will be better next year at least judging by their age, well, and having watched them and their injury struggles. The bullpen actually struggled the first half of the year then jelled pretty well. It should be about the same next year, assuming Nathan still has it. He can't go forever.

But the big questions, it seems to me, are with the position players. Just grab the top 15 guys for OPS and you've got a decent distribution by position but some significant changes from 2009 and the Twins have been pretty conservative about making roster changes. So Punto will be back. But what of Gomez? Harris? Buscher? Cabrera? Young? What of Revere and Valencia? The Twins win with the whole roster. Who those 23rd and 24th and 25th guys will be will be important but difficult decisions for the Twins to make.

Personally I'd bring in Revere in place of Gomez. I'd hope to hang on to Cabrera. I'd sign a real 3B. Beyond that, maybe no change is for the better.
   19. Walt Davis  Posted: October 08, 2009 at 01:38 PM (#3345169)
They have gaping holes in the infield which can be significantly upgraded just with below average players,

Except such players tend to be rather hard to find (though not expensive by FA standards). Good shape for the offseason is when you're strong at (most of) the defensive positions and only need to find non-awful alternatives at the corners. There are few, if any, "decent" MI on the "freely available" market. There are no FA SS of note and while there are a number of decent 2B they're all at the dreaded ages for 2B.

It's very hard with those projections to get to 1450 IP from that staff. You have to go about 7 starters and 7 relievers deep to do it, but of course that was the pattern this past year.

The average team (AL or NL) used 23 pitchers this year, most will have used about 20 by the AS break (i.e. it's not due to Sept callups). So the Twins will be going a lot deeper than 7 starters and 7 relievers. This year the Twins had 11 different guys start and 24 pitchers overall. They received a whopping 75 starts from guys with an ERA+ of 85 or below (average is usually around 45). They got 540 IP from their top 3 starters (that's probably pretty typical to above-average). They need real help in the rotation. Obviously a healthy and effective Liriano would help tremendously.

It really is amazing. The Twins are 5 guys who crushed the ball, 3 hot relievers, maybe half a dozen average players and crap. This sort of thing should give the Royals and Pirates hope:

step 1: Mauer
step 2: Morneau
step 3: crap
step 4: playoffs
   20. The Joe Mauer Power Hour (kj)  Posted: October 08, 2009 at 01:43 PM (#3345177)
They have gaping holes in the infield which can be significantly upgraded just with below average players,

Except such players tend to be rather hard to find (though not expensive by FA standards).

Not to mention that if you expect a player to be just below average and they have a disappointing season...you're in a lot of trouble.
   21. spycake  Posted: October 08, 2009 at 02:00 PM (#3345193)
they don't actually need any pitching at all


Really? Baker and Blackburn, plus Slowey returning from injury, is about all that they have for trustworthy starters. Maybe if they re-sign Pavano...
   22. The Joe Mauer Power Hour (kj)  Posted: October 08, 2009 at 02:20 PM (#3345215)
They have quite a bit of pitching to throw against the wall and see what sticks, though. Bonser will be back, Duensing, Swarzak, Manship, Liriano, Humber, Gabino. There's no guarantee that you'll get two quality starters out of that bunch, but it's far from a disaster.
   23. DL from MN  Posted: October 09, 2009 at 11:49 AM (#3346409)
A little disappointed in the Valencia projection but his glove might get him a shot.

They need a starting pitcher and it isn't Pavano. Doug Davis would fit perfectly.

The bullpen looks solid, I'm pretty confident they don't need Bobby Keppel.

They need a guy who can play 2B and 3B (Mark DeRosa, Adam Kennedy) and hit a little bit. That way they can give Valencia and Casilla a shot and have a fallback position in case one washes out completely. Nick Punto is a good utility guy but stretched playing every day. They don't believe Brendan Harris can do that so he needs to be dealt. They need a SS who can pick it desperately, that isn't Cabrera. Jack Wilson would be okay. Trading for JJ Hardy fits the hole perfectly.
   24. Ball Point Pen Guy (Will Young)  Posted: October 09, 2009 at 11:53 AM (#3346417)
There's no way I ever want Adam ####### Kennedy on the Twins.
   25. spycake  Posted: October 09, 2009 at 11:59 AM (#3346427)
Adam ####### Kennedy (.289/.348/.410) would have been a heck of a boost to the Twins infield this year. His performance was rather unexpected, though, and I wouldn't expect him to repeat it next year. I wonder what it would have taken to get him in package with Cabrera at the deadline...?
   26. Craig in MN  Posted: October 09, 2009 at 12:49 PM (#3346479)
They have quite a bit of pitching to throw against the wall and see what sticks, though. Bonser will be back, Duensing, Swarzak, Manship, Liriano, Humber, Gabino. There's no guarantee that you'll get two quality starters out of that bunch, but it's far from a disaster.

It was a disaster for a few months this year. They've got numbers, but there is no reason to want to count on any of them. Baker, Slower and Blackburn are fine. I say sign the best free agent starter they can afford and let the others battle it out for one slot, rather than two. I'd go on a limb for Harden, I think, rather than someone like Washburn or Davis.

DL is right about Hardy being a perfect fit for SS. I suspect Perkins and Brendan Harris will be traded this offseason, anyway...it's worth at least offering them up to see if you can get Hardy. After signing a pitcher, use whatever money you've got left to find the best third baseman you can find. Even someone with some power to platoon there with Punto or Tolbert would be nice. Garret Atkins signing (after being DFAed), sounds about right.

Harden, Hardy, and Atkins....three fairly short term commitments, reserving enough money to extend Mauer. That works for me.
   27. Frank Rook  Posted: October 09, 2009 at 02:02 PM (#3346580)
I think Hardy and Casey McGehee for Baker makes a fair amount of sense for both teams.
   28. DL from MN  Posted: October 12, 2009 at 10:50 AM (#3349716)
I think they have to lead with Perkins in a package for Hardy. Harris is a throw in; I think it takes one more solid player/prospect to get the deal done. Do the Brewers just want relief pitching? They can have one of Slama or Delaney.
   29. drivlikejehu  Posted: October 14, 2009 at 01:31 AM (#3351503)
I think Baker significantly outperforms that projection, if healthy. His FIPs the past 3 years are 3.89, 3.79, and 4.08. He got off to a rough start this year, perhaps due to missing a good chunk of Spring Training, but was generally very good thereafter. I'd like to see them go after Harden, as un-Twins-like as such a move would be. He's unreliable but I like the idea of Anderson working with him on his control issues. Harden's Canadian so maybe he wouldn't mind the cold.

So far as position players, they need two infielders and have one outfielder too many. There are some decent options out there for the infield, so hopefully the front office doesn't deal with that problem like they did the bullpen last off-season. Hardy would be nice, at the right price. Brutal projection for Valencia... I think he would be somewhat better than that though: his translated slugging % was .433 in AA and .446 in AAA. Clearly OBP would be a problem.
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