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Monday, November 28, 2005

2006 ZiPS Projections - Minnesota Twins


Name               P    AVG   OBP   SPC   G  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB   K SB CS 
Mauer*             c   .303  .377  .427 122 452  59 137 22  2 10  56  55  63 12  2 
Morneau*           1b  .266  .336  .491 145 530  76 141 25  2 30  93  53 103  0  1 
Ford               cf  .285  .363  .411 143 513  73 146 30  4  9  61  51  78 13  5 
LeCroy             1b  .271  .342  .445 100 310  32  84 12  0 14  49  31  82  0  0 
Kubel*             rf  .296  .355  .432 135 477  77 141 25  2 12  70  44  67  8  8 
Hunter             cf  .264  .328  .447 129 492  72 130 31  1 19  76  43  93 16  8 
Cuddyer            3b  .263  .340  .427 120 391  52 103 24  2 12  49  44  87  4  5 
Stewart            lf  .283  .342  .399 124 519  66 147 26  2 10  60  42  68  6  5 
Bartlett           ss  .281  .354  .387 128 462  77 130 22  3  7  47  46  71 12 10 
West               lf  .258  .317  .444 136 480  62 124 33  1 18  70  34 120  2  3 
Romero#            lf  .278  .336  .393 131 460  63 128 21  1 10  56  34  66  8  5 
Jones*             rf  .261  .319  .433 145 541  71 141 26  2 21  76  42 121 11  7 
Boone              2b  .251  .324  .415 129 494  64 124 26  2 17  73  51 106  7  4 
Rodriguez#         2b  .281  .343  .374 129 452  60 127 29  2  3  44  43  49  3  4 
Buchanan           rf  .251  .324  .405  79 215  35  54 13  1  6  27  19  54  3  1 
Tiffee#            3b  .266  .308  .421 119 425  52 113 26  2 12  60  24  42  3  0 
Williams#          3b  .256  .305  .416  88 317  42  81 17  2 10  43  19  69  3  2 
Jones*             1b  .244  .286  .439 134 476  67 116 22  1 23  70  27 117  5  3 
Redmond            c   .269  .320  .346  62 182  17  49 11  0  1  20   9  21  0  0 
Ryan*              rf  .241  .301  .388 115 345  42  83 17  2 10  44  30  80  4  3 
Tyner*             lf  .278  .333  .329 128 486  69 135 18  2  1  37  37  56 13  8 
Bowen#             c   .230  .314  .352  90 270  33  62 12  0  7  27  30  78  1  1 
Rabe               cf  .247  .311  .375 116 405  58 100 22  0 10  49  35  79 12  9 
Heintz             c   .260  .298  .368  91 315  31  82 17  1  5  37  17  56  0  0 
Rivas              2b  .256  .287  .389 119 386  53  99 19  4  8  43  15  54 12  4 
Miller             c   .211  .312  .343  91 280  37  59 16  0  7  31  30  56  0  0 
Moses*             3b  .235  .291  .353 108 388  53  91 15  2  9  46  27  99  8  4 
Punto#             2b  .242  .303  .330 101 339  39  82 15  3  3  28  31  77 11  7 
Castro             ss  .244  .272  .362 104 287  27  70 17  1  5  31  12  49  1  2 
Ojeda#             ss  .219  .309  .293 114 334  45  73 16  0  3  26  34  37  5  5 
Dunwoody*          cf  .233  .269  .370 102 330  36  77 22  1  7  38  14  80  5  6 
Tomlin             cf  .221  .257  .290 131 411  53  91 17  1  3  31  19  71 12  5 

Name                 W   L    ERA   G  GS     INN    H   ER  HR   BB    K 
Nathan               7   1   2.41  71   0    71.0   48   19   4   22   92 
Santana*            18   6   2.91  33  33   232.0  181   75  22   48  250 
Rincon              10   3   3.00  72   0    81.0   63   27   4   32   86 
Crain                8   6   3.82  71   0    80.0   74   34   7   29   45 
Baker               11   8   3.99  30  30   185.0  183   82  24   36  129 
Silva               10   9   4.02  29  29   195.0  221   87  24   19   74 
Liriano*            11   9   4.08  27  26   159.0  138   72  19   61  165 
Radke               11  10   4.09  32  32   211.0  224   96  30   26  122 
Bowyer               4   4   4.33  59   0    79.0   67   38  10   48   89 
Balfour              2   2   4.37  31   0    35.0   30   17   4   19   38 
Kemp                 5   6   4.44  59   0    79.0   77   39   8   35   59 
Guerrier             4   5   4.46  34  15   119.0  124   59  19   26   79 
Romero*              3   4   4.50  71   0    64.0   58   32   6   40   55 
Perkins*             5   6   4.57  24  23   128.0  131   65  18   45   94 
Korecky              3   4   4.57  52   0    63.0   65   32   8   18   44 
Lohse               10  13   4.64  33  32   190.0  207   98  25   53  105 
Neshek               4   5   4.69  52   0    71.0   71   37  12   23   64 
Gassner*             8  11   4.87  28  24   146.0  163   79  22   33   75 
Durbin               4   6   4.89  23  20   103.0  101   56  13   50   85 
Eyre                 5   8   4.91  44  11   110.0  111   60  13   51   78 
Mulholland*          3   4   5.20  44   7    97.0  113   56  15   31   39 
Bonser               7  14   5.33  28  28   157.0  159   93  31   63  146 
Mays                 5  10   5.50  29  23   139.0  164   85  21   38   53 
Schoening            3   8   5.56  35  12   102.0  110   63  19   43   71 
Miller               2   7   6.08  13  13    71.0   84   48  13   29   32 
Olson                3  13   6.75  35  12    96.0  107   72  23   53   71 

Disclaimer:  ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance.  
Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors - 
many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2006.  
ZiPS is projecting equivalent production - a .240 ZiPS projection may end up 
being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example.  Whether or not a player will play 
is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting 
the future.
Dan Szymborski Posted: November 28, 2005 at 10:23 AM | 33 comment(s)
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   1. Boof Bonser Tree  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 10:55 AM (#1749699)
If Morneau puts up those numbers I will be very happy.
I guess ZIPS thinks he will learn how to hit a breaking ball this year.
   2. 1k5v3L, Useless  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 11:02 AM (#1749713)
Another Cy Young for Johan next year then?
   3. The District Attorney  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 11:04 AM (#1749716)
Wow, nice rookie years for Baker and Liriano. Romero, not so much.

Boone's not making it through the season.

If Cuddyer has that same season again, they're really gonna have to do something.

This team could use some hitters, huh?
   4. Rob Base  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 11:05 AM (#1749717)
Mauer is teh awesome.
   5. Craig in MN  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 11:31 AM (#1749778)
Well, that's not as bad as I expected. If you put those top 9 names (except LeCroy) in a lineup, you'd have pretty decent group, with no glaring holes...a lot of guys with a .780 OPS which isn't bad. It's still a below average offense, and there's no depth there, but it isn't too far from being acceptable. They need to add one or two really good bats to improve the offense and help the depth. That's possible.

I think a healthy Stewart (and possibly Morneau) would likely top those numbers.
   6. RobLS  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 11:41 AM (#1749798)
Baker is no longer a rookie. Could be the most underrated young pitcher in baseball though.
   7. Dayton Moore is a Big Fat Idiot (AG#1F)  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 11:49 AM (#1749810)
LeCroy has been cut loose, correct?
   8. IronChef Chris Wok  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 11:53 AM (#1749814)
Man those guys cannot hit their way out of a paper bag.

Johan Santana is a Lord among men.

Lew Ford seriously needs to be freed.
   9. Craig in MN  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 12:06 PM (#1749842)
Yep, LeCroy is a Free Agent. They were afraid of paying a one dimensional player ~$1.5 million in arbitration. Of course he's really only a half-dimensional as he can only hit lefties. But he's still a great pinch hitter/DH.

Somehow they can see fit to go to arbitration with a one-dimensional Punto, though, when they've got plenty of other options for his role.
   10. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life.  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 12:35 PM (#1749878)
Baker is no longer a rookie. Could be the most underrated young pitcher in baseball though.

You're right, he is. Evidence: I have never heard of him.
   11. BirdWatcher  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 01:00 PM (#1749920)
What's happening with Caught Stealing. Looks like Zips barely gives the Twins a 60% success rate when it comes to stealing, with a whole bunch of lesser players near 50% or less.
   12. Dayton Moore is a Big Fat Idiot (AG#1F)  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 01:06 PM (#1749934)
They were afraid of paying a one dimensional player ~$1.5 million in arbitration.

Sounds familiar. Not that LeCroy will go on to become a post-season hero and MVP candidate.
   13. Craig in MN  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 01:39 PM (#1749985)
And it's probably the right decision at the time (again)....no one else will pay him that much either.

There's no way LeCroy goes on to have an Ortiz-like career. He's 3 years older than Ortiz was then, is in worsh shape physically, and is a lefty-masher. If you can't hit righties that well, you don't have enough opportunities to make an impact. By all accounts, he's a great person though.
   14. Halofan  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 02:00 PM (#1750003)
If Zips is right I'm taking Mauer in my fantasy draft.

If Zips is wrong, whose @$$ do I get to kick?
   15. The Answer to the TWolves (GMoney)  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 02:22 PM (#1750015)
Not much to get excited about with the hitting here. The team leader in walks projects to have only 55 and he's the youngest player on the team. While 5 guys project to top 100 K's.
   16. The Answer to the TWolves (GMoney)  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 02:26 PM (#1750019)
With the cost of Ryan, Eyre, and Howry, I wish the Twins would look at dealing Nathan, Rincon or Crain. They have some guys like Bowyer, Neshek, Bonser, Balfour that could potential fill the role of 6th/7th inning man while the 2 of the 3 mentioned before left coudl handle the 8th/9th inning.
   17. Craig in MN  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 03:36 PM (#1750127)
Nathan is a pretty well established "elite" closer. He's signed for 3 years, $15 million (or 2/$10 million if for some reason they don't pick up his option). I don't want them to trade him, but the bullpen shouldn't fall apart without him.

If BJ Ryan is getting a 5 year $47 million deal, and other closers on the market are getting anywhere near 4/40 deals, Nathan should have huge value on the trade market. I don't know which teams they might match up with, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a team around willing to trade a great hitter for Nathan. I wouldn't even complain if they kept Romero and Lohse in that scenario.
   18. The Answer to the TWolves (GMoney)  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 04:28 PM (#1750249)
That's what I'm thinking. Lets say Philly loses Wagner maybe a Joe Nathan for Chase Utley deal? Or the Orioles throw Brian Roberts and some prospects to the Twins for Nathan now that they are out one BJ Ryan. The Braves for Marcus Giles?
   19. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life.  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 04:53 PM (#1750334)
That's what I'm thinking. Lets say Philly loses Wagner maybe a Joe Nathan for Chase Utley deal?

If by "Chase Utley" you mean "Jason Michaels".

Or the Orioles throw Brian Roberts and some prospects to the Twins for Nathan now that they are out one BJ Ryan. The Braves for Marcus Giles?

Let's not go bananas here, GMoney. Joe Nathan may be a proven closer and slightly underpaid, but trading away a home-grown, good-hitting, popular, low-paid second baseman with 10-15 years left in his career (e.g. Utley, Roberts, Giles) is something that any team would really hate to do. Especially second basemen, they're tough to find (as you know from the Rivas experience).
   20. chris p  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 04:55 PM (#1750341)
You're right, he is. Evidence: I have never heard of him.

he's the guy we're going to get back for mike lowell!
   21. Cris E  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 05:22 PM (#1750361)
[Baker] is the guy we're going to get back for mike lowell!

Don't do that, it makes my head throb.

Here, you share the pain: "This is where we trade Hunter and Nathan for Utley and Michels." See how it makes your left eye water? Be kind to others, man.
   22. Matt Waters  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 09:01 PM (#1750521)
One of these years, Jason Tyner is going to steal seventy bases and I'm going to look good for having him as a "sleeper..."
   23. sunnyday2  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 09:47 PM (#1750564)
Notonly do these guys not hit a lot, but Gardenhire will put the higher OBA (among the non-power hitters) guys at 7 and 8 and the lower ones at 1 and 2.
   24. PFJ  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 09:57 PM (#1750582)
Does anyone have confidence in that Kubel projection?
   25. Optimus_Primate  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 10:06 PM (#1750598)
Sounds familiar. Not that LeCroy will go on to become a post-season hero and MVP candidate.

The money saved will be better spent on inferior players like Kevin Millar or Carl Everett, just like it went toward players like Rick Reed and Cristian Guzman in 2003.
   26. Joshua Gibsons Ruth (Voxter)  Posted: November 28, 2005 at 10:08 PM (#1750600)
That Morneau projection doesn't look great, but my Scoresheet team might have made the damned playoffs if he'd slugged anything close to .500
   27. Walt Davis  Posted: November 29, 2005 at 03:20 AM (#1750897)
OK, LeCroy's not, but how about Morneau as the next Ortiz? They've bounced him up and down a couple times, he's been "disappointing" so far, that projection is nearly exactly what Ortiz's age 25-26 seasons looked like.

And we all know that a couple coincedental similarities virtually guarantees they'll turn out the same.
   28. battlekow  Posted: November 29, 2005 at 03:48 AM (#1750915)
I'm taking bets on Bret Boone posting an 739 OPS next year. No forgetting way.
   29. IronChef Chris Wok  Posted: November 29, 2005 at 03:51 AM (#1750918)
And we all know that a couple coincedental similarities virtually guarantees they'll turn out the same.

Yeah, especially with Justin Morneau's Dominican Republic Roots, we all know Morneau will take off just like Ortiz did.
   30. Russ  Posted: January 11, 2006 at 04:41 PM (#1816828)
Yeah, especially with Justin Morneau's Dominican Republic Roots, we all know Morneau will take off just like Ortiz did.

Everyone knows you can't walk off the (Vancouver) island.
   31. Will Young  Posted: January 11, 2006 at 05:03 PM (#1816887)
OK, LeCroy's not, but how about Morneau as the next Ortiz?

Up until last season, Morneau actually had very similar production at similar levels and ages as Jim Thome. However, until Morneau learns to start walking, that comp will quickly pass.
   32. conan for president  Posted: January 11, 2006 at 07:54 PM (#1817276)
Not much to get excited about with the hitting here. The team leader in walks projects to have only 55 and he's the youngest player on the team. While 5 guys project to top 100 K's.

Let's not forget about Luis Castillo. ZiPS has him at 74 walks and 54 Ks. I'm sure that ratio is one of the top projections for 2006. Last year I think his was better than 2:1. Replacing last year's disaster at 2nd base with Castillo is probably worth 4 wins.
   33. Boof Bonser Tree  Posted: January 11, 2006 at 11:04 PM (#1817512)
Primey for #30
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