What?

Did the nanny start her weekend early?

You can't say #### on primer anymore?!?

"New York Mets - Do a whole bunch of stupid ####\"


That's classic. Well done, Dan.

This is so insane, I don't know what to say. Oh, except...F-you, Wilpon.

Jim Duquette makes Steve Phillips look like Beane.

Is there any chance that Jim Duquette made these trades because he knows he's going to be fired and just hates Wilpon? There have been a bunch of reports that Wilpon has turned the pressure up on Duquette.

Of course, the reality is probably that Duquette knows his job is toast unless he catches lightning in a bottle. Since he most probably won't be around when the future comes due, Jimmy boy mortgaged it for the now.

An incredible disaster for the Met's organization. Even if none of these prospects pan out, they were worth so much more than this.

(By the way, Greatest Headline Ever)

How many times have the Mets refused to trade Kazmir, and for how many good players? And now they do it for VZambrano?

I don't follow the Mets or Duquette closely. But usually GM's don't burn down anything, no matter how ugly the situation gets, or how close they are to being fired. At heart, they're baseball men, and want to continue working in baseball, and there's just certain things that aren't done.

Given that Duquette seemed to understand the value of these players before today, and how incredibly stupid it seems from an organizational standpoint, I will speculate that Wilpon has reached forward from the back seat and wrenched the wheel.

Well, word had it that little Wilpon was getting more involved lately and pushing Duq aside. Either that or Jim lent the keys to the org. to his cousin.

This was done, from all indications, OVER Duquette's objection. Reports earlier today said Al Goldis, superscout and superfuckhead, now has Wilpon's ear and was pushing for this approach. Well, he got his way, apparently, and the only thing I blame Duquette for is not resigning in protest. Instead, he's lamely parroting the party line about how they're still trying to win now and go for it this year.

I want to throw up.

I won't believe these reports until there is some better sources.

WOW. And thank you BTF for keeping it real.

Everybody says dumb ####!

Duquette:
``We're getting younger and transforming our roster that a year ago or two years ago was one of the oldest in baseball,'' Mets general manager Jim Duquette said. ``Both of these pitchers are 29 years old, they still have a lot of mileage ahead of them, pitching-wise.''

Lamar:
``I think we're getting one of the fine left-handed pitching prospects in baseball. I won't be surprised if he's not here come September,'' Tampa Bay general manager Chuck LaMar said.

Chuck, I wouldn't be surprised if you're not one of the scientists who finally find a way to bring properly mixed soda to ballpark vending, either.

Oh, more!

``He's certainly a talented guy who came into the industry with high expectations and they probably didn't play out the way everybody wanted it to,'' Pirates general manager Dave Littlefield said.

We thought he'd really churn out those APS reports, but he ended up just writing lots of drafts of memos to human resources. Perhaps a career change will do him well.

Here's what I don't understand, I'm sure someone here can enlighten me, at least enlighten me on in what perverse ways Wilpon or Littlefield is enlightened. The Huber-for-Bautista trade went down to fill out the Benson trade, right? So that means not only the Mets agreed to Huber-for-Bautista, but the Pirates essentially prefer Bautista to Huber. I know Huber's not Victor Martinez, but isn't that odd?

[reminding myself never to ask why when it comes to Littlefield]

Ummm...

"Bautista, 23, is returning to the Pirates, who lost him to Baltimore last December in the Rule 5 draft. He played for the Orioles and Tampa Bay before joining the Royals on June 28 from the Devil Rays in a cash transaction." (KC Star)

I had forgotten that Bautista was a V guy. So the Pirates liked his .500 OPS for a variety of bad major league teams so much that they'd rather have him that Huber?

Of course, this also makes the Carlos Beltran deal look worse than it already did, because now one section of the deal will be a backup catcher if everything goes according to plan.

Also, I have the weirdest feeling that a few years from now Chuck LaMar will have a Brian Sabean persona, just because he has prospects out the wazoo.

now one section of the deal will be a backup catcher if everything goes according to plan.

The Royals are already talking about moving Huber to 1b or the OF. At which positions he'd be only a so-so prospect instead of a very good one.

Well guys, I have been a loyal Met fan for over 20 years now and I am done. Ok, maybe I will just boycott, like everyone else I am in a state of disarray.

I watched the moves on ESPNs bottom line last night while playing Texas Holdem at a local casino and yelled out no when I saw it and had everyone in the room stare at me, I prayed Scott Kazmir’s name was not about to flow past after Zambrano’s. Oddly enough I had just hit Broadway on the turn and nobody was able to read me, small consolation. Is there anything in the world that can make the higher ups in the this organization wake up? I didn’t even realize we lost Huber till I came in to work today, I really didn’t think it was possible to add to my misery.

Outstanding header to this article Dan, I not only tip but throw my Mets hat at you.

The Royals are already talking about moving Huber to 1b or the OF. At which positions he'd be only a so-so prospect instead of a very good one.

That would be stupid, Buck's offense and defense are not major league ready. But I wouldn't be suprised if they did move him.

Of course, this also makes the Carlos Beltran deal look worse than it already did, because now one section of the deal will be a backup catcher if everything goes according to plan.

Regardless of whether you have a young Pudge Rodrigueez catching for you or not, you make the Huber-for-Bautista trade if you're Allard Baird. It's like the A's drafting Landon Powell AND Kurt Suzuki. You can never have too many prospects at premium positions. Don't write off John Buck and his .150 AVG just yet.

I agree with Neil. What's wrong with having two good catching prospects? I mean: worst case scenario, you make a DoubleMint Gum commercial.

From the Royals perspective, this is a rubber hammer trade -- in the sense that, when the rubber hammer hits your knee, either your foot jerks or there's something wrong with you.

Baird's reaction to Huber for a waiver claim (albeit one w/ some potential):

"Thank you! Come again!"


"Buck's offense and defense are not major league ready."

And many people think Hubers defense might not ever be "major league ready", which is why they are talking about 1b or the OF, not because Buck is so great.

And I can understand why the Pirates would take Bautista over Huber. They likely think Bautista still has some potential (well maybe not, since they left him exposed) and would like to see what he could do if he wasnt rushed and their scouts think Huber cant catch and therefore is a mediocre 1b/lf prospect and theyd rather have the athletic infielder.

And just a reminder to Mets fans:
The Mets are 49-53 and 7 games back and trail 3 teams in the East, I doubt theyre that close to the wild card (although Im not positive)
But anyways Kazmir for Kristin (his real name) Benson is stupid, period.
I do think that Diaz for Fortunato might be a good one for NY if they give Bartolome a shot this year, he has really improved.

Goldis did this?
I had always heard good things about him; he is the guy that demanded Edwin Enarnacion for CIN in the Rob Bell/Ruben Mateo deal and Encar has a good shot at having a better career than either of those two (but then again they looked good in the minors too)

I do hope that the move to NY puts Anna on TV more :)

And headline of the season BTW.

Why should Cubs fans have all the fun?

Justin Huber was a "very good, though not elite catching prospect" a mere five years ago? He must have been brought to the majors, turned into a 1B, then a DH, then hit .200/.200/.200 in several major-league stints and been waived all within about an 18-month period after this.

Can you post the thread from when Tom Seaver was traded? Or Nolan Ryan? Or Amos Otis?

This thread only had 24 posts? Weak.

A lot of the thunder this thread would have had was stolen by the Self-Immolation thread.

thread had only 24 posts

The tranny threads will usually follow a news thread. The news thread gets the volume. The tranny usually gets a small but dedicated group of posters.

The tranny usually gets a small but dedicated group of posters.

Such is the life of a tranny...

The tranny threads will usually follow a news thread. The news thread gets the volume. The tranny usually gets a small but dedicated group of posters.

Well, other than for cubs-based transactions.

Dan clearly has an anti-Cubs transaction analysis bias.

See, I saw this in the sidebar, and just assumed it was a thread about the Mets signing Francoeur to a 7/$120M extension.

sign Francoeur to a 7/$120M extention

The Mets haven't hired JP. They are more likely to trade FMart for Ponson.

The Mets haven't hired JP. They are more likely to trade FMart for Ponson.

Not as long as Minaya is the GM. They haven't traded top prospects for dreck since he came on board (and won't).

-- NWE

-- NWE

Nichael?

Not as long as Minaya is the GM. They haven't traded top prospects for dreck since he came on board (and won't).

This is true. He was brought on because the last guy traded top prospects for dreck. See supra. If there's one thing he knows not to do (now), it's that. That may be the one thing he knows not to do.

This is true. He was brought on because the last guy traded top prospects for dreck. See supra. If there's one thing he knows not to do (now), it's that. That may be the one thing he knows not to do.

Although it remains distinctly possible that Omar DOES still enjoy trading top prospects for dreck, since there have been very few actual "top prospects" during his time there. I suppose he could have moved Pelfrey, and he has yet to move F-Mart, but the franchise hasn't exactly been swimming in Jason Bay/Cliff Lee/Grady Sizemore/Brandon Phillips types.