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1. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L)

Posted: May 10, 2008 at 12:28 AM (#2775290)

How about a Gerut projection?

2. The Answer to the TWolves (GMoney) Posted: May 12, 2008 at 05:09 PM (#2777834)

Cubs might pickup Edmonds and send Pie down? How many guys have played for the Cubs and the Cards?

3. Dag Nabbit and his imaginary friends Posted: May 12, 2008 at 05:22 PM (#2777846)

Well, going solely by memory:

Lou Brock
Ernie Broglio
Larry Jackson
Lee Smith

And many many more.

4. Gern Blanston Posted: May 12, 2008 at 05:31 PM (#2777858)

Joe Girardi, Mike Perez, Mark Grudzielank...

5. JJ1986 Posted: May 12, 2008 at 05:33 PM (#2777863)

Jason Marquis
Cesar Izturis

6. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: May 12, 2008 at 05:39 PM (#2777871)

Leon Durham
Shawon Dunston

7. Dag Nabbit and his imaginary friends Posted: May 12, 2008 at 05:43 PM (#2777878)

Mordecai Brown, Todd Zeile, Gary Gaetti, Iron Jack Taylor, Dizzy Dean, Burleigh Grimes, Pete Alexander, Curt Davis, Paul Derringer, Lon Warneke, Tex Carleton (man, they really liked swapping pitchers in the 20s & 30s!), Lew Burdette, Lindy McDaniel, Jason Marquis (how could I forget! denial, most likely), Todd Wellmeyer, Dennis Eckersley, Rick Sutcliffe, Rogers Hornsby (managed them both, too), John Freakin' Mabry, Rabbit Maranville . . .

8. Dag Nabbit and his imaginary friends Posted: May 12, 2008 at 05:44 PM (#2777880)

Leon Durham

And Bruce Sutter.

And I forgot to check closers.

9. OCF Posted: May 12, 2008 at 05:58 PM (#2777899)

Leon Durham

And Bruce Sutter.

Ken Reitz was also part of that deal. An important part - he was somehow thought of as a star at the time. Wound up hitting .215/.261/.281 in 82 games for the Cubs.

10. Eric J is Financed by a Rich Grandpa Posted: May 12, 2008 at 06:02 PM (#2777901)

Max Flack and Cliff Heathcote, the guys traded for each other between games of a doubleheader.

11. flournoy Posted: May 12, 2008 at 06:06 PM (#2777907)

Mike Morgan. He was traded for Zeile.

12. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 12, 2008 at 06:27 PM (#2777925)

And Mike Crudale.

13. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 06:33 PM (#2777934)

I have devised an ingenious way to develop a list of such players.

None of you guys mentioned Mike Tyson!

14. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 06:34 PM (#2777936)

Okay, that didn't work. try again.

15. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 06:41 PM (#2777944)

Nope, not possible. And not possible to edit comments either. Do Google search for "STL NL" "CHC NL" "height" site:baseball-reference.com.

But anyway, the list also includes Walt Moryn, Tom Poholsky, Fred Beebe, Jim Brosnan, Irv Noren, Byron Browne, Joe Garagiola, Jerry Mumphrey, Real Househusband Matt Keough, three-time All-Star Emil Verban, Pete Mikkelsen, Rawly Eastwick, Dave Veres, Julian Tavares, Heathcliff Slocumb, Ted Sizemore, Jerry Morales, Delino DeShields, and PAUL FREAKIN' KILGUS!

And Bobby Bonds.

16. flournoy Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:00 PM (#2777968)

Hate to bust your bubble Crispix, but baseballreference already has a built-in function for that.

17. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:08 PM (#2777975)

Also, from memory --

Miguel Cairo, Ray King, Tony Womack, Rick Wilkins, Alan Benes, Kent Bottenfield, Kent Mercker, Donovan Osborne, Tony Fossas, Bob Tewksbury, Les Lancaster, Frank DiPino, Steve Lake, Ivan DeJesus, Lynn McGlothen, Mick Kelleher, Jose Cardenal, Ripper Collins, Curt Davis, Bob O'Farrell, Pete Alexander, Clark Griffith . . .

18. Mike in MI Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:11 PM (#2777979)

Hate to bust your bubble Crispix, but baseballreference already has a built-in function for that.

I knew two of the three but looked it up anyway. Who were the 3 players to play for the 4 NY native teams? Playing for the Dodgers and Giants out west is acceptable.

19. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:24 PM (#2777989)

Who were the 3 players to play for the 4 NY native teams? Playing for the Dodgers and Giants out west is acceptable.

Without cheating... Jose Vizcaino would be one.

20. JJ1986 Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:28 PM (#2777991)

Darryl Strawberry's another.

21. flournoy Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:40 PM (#2778003)

Technically, aren't the Yankees native to Maryland, not New York?

I don't know who the third is, but I'll probably sit here for a long time trying to rack my brain for the answer anyway.

22. Not The Real Fausto Carmona (Dan Lee) Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:41 PM (#2778004)

Just looked it up. I never would have gotten the third guy...looked right at his name on a Dodgers roster and didn't realize he had ever played for the Mets.

23. flournoy Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:44 PM (#2778010)

Brett Butler never played for the Yankees, did he? Jeff Kent certainly didn't.

24. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:48 PM (#2778013)

I just got the third guy as well. One could argue he didn't play for the Giants either.

Strawberry is the only one of the three whose Major League resume consists of ONLY those four teams.

25. Not The Real Fausto Carmona (Dan Lee) Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:50 PM (#2778016)

And, coincidentally, the other two are ex-Indians.

26. A One-Shoed Craig K Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:52 PM (#2778017)

Who were the 3 players to play for the 4 NY native teams? Playing for the Dodgers and Giants out west is acceptable.

Don't forget Ricky Ledee.

27. A One-Shoed Craig K Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:53 PM (#2778019)

Cubs and Cardinals only

28. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 07:57 PM (#2778024)

29. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:01 PM (#2778028)

I was ALMOST correct in guessing that a certain player was the only one to play for the Phillies, Braves, Mets, and Expos. There have in fact been two such players. One current and one from the 70's.

30. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:04 PM (#2778033)

So, what exactly was wrong with Bobby Bonds? After he spent the first seven years of his career with the Giants, he spent the last seven years of his career with the Yankees, Angels, White Sox, Rangers, Indians, Cardinals, and Cubs. That is super-duper-peripatetic.

Treder is the best guy to answer this, but I'll do my best. Basically the elder Bonds had was good enough to be employed, but not good enough for teams to overlook his issues(alcohol in particular) and not trade him.

31. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#2778034)

So, what exactly was wrong with Bobby Bonds? After he spent the first seven years of his career with the Giants, he spent the last seven years of his career with the Yankees, Angels, White Sox, Rangers, Indians, Cardinals, and Cubs. That is super-duper-peripatetic.

Neyer talks about this in a sidebar in his Big Book of Lineups. The sum of it is, he got traded a lot, and it was for a different reason every time. So...no one reason.

32. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:08 PM (#2778040)

I was ALMOST correct in guessing that a certain player was the only one to play for the Phillies, Braves, Mets, and Expos. There have in fact been two such players. One current and one from the 70's.

Bruce Chen

33. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#2778055)

Yep, but who was it from the 70's?!?

He spent more time with the Phillies than any other team.

34. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:28 PM (#2778057)

This "multi-franchise" thing is great. I entered four random teams, the Indians, Dbacks, Twins, and Astros. There are two players to have played for all four. A relief pitcher named "Greg", and a relief pitcher named "Gregg".

35. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:33 PM (#2778058)

Yep, but who was it from the 70's?!?

He spent more time with the Phillies than any other team.

I'd have to cheat.

Which current major leaguer has played at the Major League level for the most franchises?

I don't know the answer to this.

This "multi-franchise" thing is great. I entered four random teams, the Indians, Dbacks, Twins, and Astros. There are two players to have played for all four. A relief pitcher named "Greg", and a relief pitcher named "Gregg".

It's got to be Greg and Gregg Olson.

36. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:37 PM (#2778060)

Which current major leaguer has played at the Major League level for the most franchises?

I don't know the answer to this.

I think this might be Kenny Lofton, assuming he is considered unretired.

Although intuitively one would presume it's a reliever. I looked at a few suspects and the highest number of franchises I found was 9, for the aforementioned Bruce Chen.

37. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:40 PM (#2778065)

Which current major leaguer has played at the Major League level for the most franchises?

Matt Stairs? He has played for 10 different franchises in his professional career:

MON
BOS
OAK
CHN
MIL
PIT
KCA
TEX
DET
TOR

38. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:42 PM (#2778067)

It's got to be Greg and Gregg Olson.

Greg Swindell and Gregg Olson.

Kenny Lofton is soon to have his number retired by the Astros, Braves, Pirates, Cubs, White Sox, Giants, Dodgers, Yankees, Indians, and Rangers.

If he can just spend some time with the Red Sox, Cardinals and Mets before he retires, he'll be the answer to just about every one of these type of questions.

39. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:45 PM (#2778069)

And Phillies! I left Phillies off Lofton's list. That's 11 teams.

40. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:55 PM (#2778072)

I believe Bob Miller, Mike Morgan and Bobo Newsom share the alltime teams played record with 12, although Morgan might have 13 - I don't remember. I am a bit surprised there isn't anybody with more - possibly because once somebody who is good enough to be around that long is just as likely to wind up with a team they had previously played for (i.e. Lofton).

41. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 12, 2008 at 08:59 PM (#2778073)

Rudy Seanez has played for different 12 franchises in his professional career:

CLE
SDN
LAN
ATL
TEX
BOS
KCA
FLA
PHI
COL (minors in 1993)
NYN (minors in 1997)
CHN (minors in 2003)

42. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 09:04 PM (#2778076)

Lofton and Terry Mulholland both have 11. Mike Morgan has 12. Interesting, both Morgan and Mulholland ended their careers with the Dbacks.

43. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: May 12, 2008 at 09:06 PM (#2778080)

Seanez is interesting in the sense that he has never been regarded as a particularly important player. Of course, I don't think anybody confused Miller, Morgan, or Newsom for stars either.

Throwing the minor leagues into this question adds a whole new level.

44. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 09:06 PM (#2778081)

Counting minor-league teams in the list of "franchises" would be a different matter. Although I'd like to know who holds the record for that as well.

It would be impossible to figure that out for any player before the 1950s, though.

45. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 12, 2008 at 09:24 PM (#2778093)

I'm just trying to exercise my noggin' a little. Lofton's the answer, if we consider him to be an active player.

Paul Bako has also played for 10 teams at the ML level...

DET
HOU
FLA
ATL
MIL
CHN
LAN
KCA
BAL
CIN

46. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 09:34 PM (#2778096)

An even less important player than Rudy Seanez:

Rick White
PIT TBD NYM COL STL CHW HOU CLE SEA PHI CIN

In fact, he played for all 11 of those teams just between 1999 and 2007, after getting a very slow start to his career. If he had started earlier, and not made repeat appearances with the Astros and Pirates, he could have smashed the record.

47. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: May 12, 2008 at 09:39 PM (#2778100)

I wonder if there is a way we could model a player that would have a threat to break the all-time teams record:

a) Reliever or backup catcher or supersub
b) Preferably left-handed
c) Has one skill they are particularly good at but by itself is not very useful(i.e. Mulholland and preventing the stolen base)
d) Is generally healthy/gets along with others

48. A One-Shoed Craig K Posted: May 12, 2008 at 09:42 PM (#2778101)

Without cheating; name one of the two guys to play for all four teams currently in the AL West.

49. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 09:44 PM (#2778104)

Including minor-league stints, Rick White gets to 13 organizations.

1997 - Orlando (CHC)
2004 - Las Vegas (LAD)

If only he hadn't been stuck with the Pirates until the advanced age of 28!

50. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 09:49 PM (#2778107)

Russell Branyan has been with 8 organizations (7 ML teams, plus the Richmond Braves) and is only 32. Come on Russ, keep the dream alive!

51. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 09:51 PM (#2778109)

Without cheating; name one of the two guys to play for all four teams currently in the AL West.

First you name the other player to have played for all four teams currently in the NL East (except the Marlins).

52. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 12, 2008 at 09:56 PM (#2778110)

There's another prototype: a former top prospect who never reaches his potential, starts very young, and is still useful to hang around the majors well into his 30s.

Assuming he can regain his stroke to play beyond this year, Jose Cruz Jr has an excellent shot of playing for 10+ teams in his career. He's only 34 and has already for 10 teams. When he first came up with the Mariners, it looked like he could be a great young hitter. He's had a fine career and a couple of good seasons, but he never really lived up to expectations. Despite struggling quite a bit along the way, he retains enough raw skills as he ages to continue to get opportunities--and his pedigree and former status as a top prospect don't hurt either.

Another guy who might fit into this model is Alex Ochoa. He's about the same age as Cruz and is another failed prospect (despite having a respectful career). But he wound up playing most of his 30s in Japan.

53. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 12, 2008 at 10:00 PM (#2778113)

Without cheating; name one of the two guys to play for all four teams currently in the AL West.

Did Jose Guillen ever play with the Rangers?

54. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: May 12, 2008 at 10:04 PM (#2778117)

I know without even bothering to look that Steve Finley and Matt Herges have played for all five NL West teams.

I'm still thinking about the 70's Phillie - any hints?

I have a suspicion that the all-AL West players may be obscure.

55. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: May 12, 2008 at 10:05 PM (#2778118)

There's another prototype: a former top prospect who never reaches his potential, starts very young, and is still useful to hang around the majors well into his 30s.

Yep, Morgan and Mulholland certainly qualify here. Morgan reached the big leagues at age 18, which didn't hurt.

56. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 12, 2008 at 10:05 PM (#2778119)

I'm still thinking about the 70's Phillie - any hints?

He was the runner-up for NL Rookie of the Year...five years after his major-league debut, which was in the AL.

His only All-Star appearance was in his only full season with one of his teams.

57. Fred Garvin is a sick f**k, guilty as charged Posted: May 12, 2008 at 10:10 PM (#2778122)

Yep, but who was it from the 70's?!?

Willie Montanez.

58. Guts

Posted: May 12, 2008 at 10:33 PM (#2778153)

Didn't Mark McLemore play for all the AL West teams?

Checking it, yes, he did. That's one.

59. greenback

Posted: May 12, 2008 at 10:46 PM (#2778173)

Having cheated, I don't think anybody's getting the other four AL Wester.

Who has rings with the most different major league teams?

60. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 12, 2008 at 10:50 PM (#2778180)

I should have gotten McLemore.

Okay, this is driving me nuts. Who is the other one?

61. greenback

Posted: May 12, 2008 at 11:01 PM (#2778194)

The other one, via tiny url:

Played 6 games for one team

62. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 12, 2008 at 11:03 PM (#2778199)

thx

63. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 03, 2008 at 12:54 PM (#2804090)

No player has played for all 5 current California teams (Dodgers, Angels, Padres, Giants, Athletics).

List of players that have played for four of them:

Angels Dodgers Athletics Padres

[url="http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/henderi01.shtml>Rickey Henderson</a>
<a href="]Jay Johnstone[/url]

Angels Dodgers Athletics Giants

[url="http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/javiest01.shtml>Stan Javier</a>

Angels Dodgers Giants Padres

<a href="]Steve Finley[/url]
[url="http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/thomade01.shtml>Derrel Thomas</a>

Angels Athletics Padres Giants

<a href="]Mike Aldrete[/url]
[url="http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/d'acqjo01.shtml>John D'Acquisto</a>
<a href="]Dave Kingman[/url]

Dodgers Athletics Padres Giants

<a >Elias Sosa</a>

64. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 03, 2008 at 12:55 PM (#2804091)

Wow. That got pooched pretty badly.

65. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 03, 2008 at 12:57 PM (#2804097)

Jim as a Cub: 286/324/543 867

66. Kiko Sakata

Posted: June 03, 2008 at 01:02 PM (#2804105)

Jim as a Cub: 286/324/543 867

His OPS+ as a Cub has gone up 144 points (from -25 to 119) in three games. I have to admit: I didn't think he had it in him.

67. Crispix Attacks Posted: June 03, 2008 at 01:20 PM (#2804129)

His OPS+ as a Cub has gone up 144 points (from -25 to 119) in three games.

If these trends continue....eyyyyy!

At that rate of increase, by the end of the season his OPS+ should be over 5000. I don't see any way he can avoid being the NL MVP with those numbers.

68. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 26, 2008 at 01:37 PM (#2833186)

Jim as a Cub: 305/376/622 155 OPS+

69. Gern Blanston Posted: June 26, 2008 at 01:56 PM (#2833201)

Edmonds is running the risk of my actually liking him.

Obviously he's not going to continue hitting like this, but he may not be quite as toast-esque as I thought. I still think his bat speed is just about kaput--he very rarely turns on the ball (last night's homer was the first of his 6 Cub homers he's pulled), and he's overmatched against really hard throwers--but he still has a lot of raw power; when he goes the other way the ball still jumps off his bat.

He also seems to've fit in nicely with the Cubs' newfangled walk-drawin' machine. (That can be a sign of aging in a hitter [taking pitches he might've put in play before], but it still beats the hell out of making outs.)

I don't know how much of this streak is random chance and how much is due to the mechanical adjustments he supposedly made to his stance after he signed with the Cubs, but I'll enjoy it while it lasts.

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