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Saturday, August 02, 2008

Retro-Translations - 1983

Some highlights:

Ken Phelps, Salt Lake - 270/357/598
Wally Backman, Tidewater - 275/351/317
Andy van Slyke, Louisville - 313/369/454
Kevin McReynolds, Las Vegas - 303/344/541
Billy Beane, Jackson - 218/250/299
Billy Jo Robidoux, Beloit - 239/297/320

Dwight Gooden, Lynchburg - 4.28 ERA (dropped his walk rate nearly in half going from high-A to the NL!)
Bret Saberhagen, Fort Myers - 3.40 ERA, 106 IP
Jose Rijo, Ft. Lauderdale - 12-8, 3.81
Zane Smith, Durham - 7-17, 6.70 (not a stunning full-season debut)
Bill Wegman, Stockton - 15-6, 2.93 (injured, 16 starts next 2 seasons combined)

Minor League Translations (zMLE), 1983

Dan Szymborski Posted: August 02, 2008 at 10:13 PM | 15 comment(s)
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1. Judges 20:16 (the Lord's bullpen) Posted: August 03, 2008 at 09:51 AM (#2888296)

Brad Komminsk, Richmond, age 22 - 277/348/496

2. Dan Szymborski Posted: August 03, 2008 at 10:12 AM (#2888302)

Komminsk is one of those cases where one has to wonder if we got the complete story. After not hitting for Atlanta, he went back to Richmond and only hit 234/333/383 (untranslated) and only had one more good minor league season.

3. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: August 03, 2008 at 10:12 AM (#2888303)

Very cool. I hope this is a continuing series, and you stay in the 80s!

4. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: August 03, 2008 at 10:14 AM (#2888304)

I forgot Hawaii had a team back then. Must've been some crazy road-trips.

5. The Kevin Mitchell Report Posted: August 03, 2008 at 10:31 AM (#2888311)

I forgot Hawaii had a team back then. Must've been some crazy road-trips.

All I've read about that was on Jim Bouton's Ball Four. Must've been great.

6. The Kevin Mitchell Report Posted: August 03, 2008 at 10:46 AM (#2888316)

I know the running game was kind of a big deal back then, but a Kirby Puckett WITH 38 SB's would only tie for 35th place.

Also, that Denver team must've really sucked, real bad numbers. Did they have humidors back then?

7. greenback345397SM6 Posted: August 03, 2008 at 11:07 AM (#2888320)

Poor Mike Calise.

8. Dan Szymborski Posted: August 03, 2008 at 11:21 AM (#2888325)

Pitchers added.

9. TWO!-OH!-OH!-OH! CLAP!-CLAP!-CLAP!CLAP!CLAP! Posted: August 03, 2008 at 12:05 PM (#2888343)

What the hell use is this without the obligatory accompanying disk for Diamond Mind?

(Thanks a bunch, Dan! Great stuff!)

I've thought about doing something similar with my older DMB seasons.... run MLE's for a bunch of minor leaguers and add them to the season disk. It just never got high enough on my to-do list.

10. Brandon in MO (Fire Trey Hillman) Posted: August 03, 2008 at 05:13 PM (#2888746)

Stan Holmes' hitting MLE was lousy, but he did pitch 16 1/3 IP in the minors

11. Barca Posted: August 04, 2008 at 12:52 AM (#2889123)

Looks like Canseco, Joyner, and Fred McGriff must have surprised a few people.

12. Dan Szymborski Posted: August 04, 2008 at 01:22 AM (#2889141)

Looks like Canseco, Joyner, and Fred McGriff must have surprised a few people.

In all fairness, they were all quite far away in 1983 - it was the full-season debuts for all three.

13. Voros Posted: August 04, 2008 at 06:12 AM (#2889200)

My memory on the subject was that Joyner was a surprise but Canseco and McGriff were not.

My first Baseball Abstracts were 1986 and 1987 and so that's when this whole thing kind of started for me. 1986 were Joyner and Canseco's rookie years (and Will Clark and Barry Bonds' and several others as well).

14. Prostetnic Vogon Steve Jeltz (Dan Lee) Posted: August 05, 2008 at 04:59 AM (#2890534)

Billy Beane, Jackson - 218/250/299

My $#!t doesn't work in the Southern League.

15. Mike Green Posted: August 05, 2008 at 10:58 AM (#2890723)

"Looks like Canseco, Joyner, and Fred McGriff must have surprised a few people."

Baseball Cube has the story. Canseco was 18 and McGriff was 19 in 1983, while Joyner was 21. Canseco had already put in a good full season at age 21, and McGriff was knocking on the door, but blocked by Upshaw. Canseco and McGriff were good bets to be excellent hitters, while Joyner was a bit of a surprise. Both Canseco and McGriff had been hitting bombs from the time they were in their teens...

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