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Transaction Oracle — A Timely Look at Transactions as They Happen Wednesday, November 19, 2008Royals - Acquired CrispKansas City Royals - Acquired CF Coco Crisp from the Boston for P Ramon RamirezWhile I appreciate the fact that Dayton Moore is willing to trade reliever at the height of their value, but this is kind of puzzling. The Royals, a team that has a lot of needs, has had this organizational obsession with making one of their best players, David DeJesus, much less valuable to the team. While Moore has done a reasonable job on a pure value-for-value standpoint, he's yet to do another important task of GMs. Put most simply, a GM should be able to identify organizational strengths and utilize those strengths as much as possible. The Royals have not been a team overflowing with organizational strengths in recent years, but one of them has been DeJesus. As a centerfielder, he's one of the better defensive centerfielders in the league and hits enough that he's a borderline star as a centerfielder. Moving him to left dilutes his strengths. DeJesus isn't a valueless player in left, but as a leftfielder, the value his glove can bring to the team is diminished and his offense becomes merely adequate. Simply put, DeJesus is not an organizational strength as a leftfielder. Offensively speaking, Crisp isn't really a starter if he isn't playing in centerfield. Should Coco Crisp be in centerfield? Let's play 'One of These Things is Not Like the Others.' Crisp has played in centerfield in at least 50 games in every season in the majors but two. Here are how his zone ratings in center would rank him among qualifiers (he didn't qualify all years). Year ZR Rank 2008 .826 19th out of 19 2007 .911 3rd out of 18 2006 .837 21st out of 21 2004 .865 15th out of 22 2003 .865 14th out of 21You don't need Elmo to find out which just does not belong. The Royals lose this trade unless they get something substantial in trade for Teahen or DeJesus. Crisp simply downgrades the team wherever he plays full-time, so the Royals need something worth Ramirez, the opportunity cost of Teahen or DeJesus, and compensation for the significant downgrade of actually playing Crisp. Thumbs down for Royals. The Red Sox, unlike the Royals, have a strong organization with no gaping weaknesses staring them in the face. So they had the luxury of picking and choosing whatever the best value they could get for Crisp, nearly regardless of position. Crisp probably didn't have a lot of trade value and even if it's more efficient to grow your own bullpen, a serious contender with money to invest can choose to be a little less efficient in order to be a little more risk averse. Ramirez, if he repeats his 2008, will give the Red Sox a ridiculously good 6th-best reliever. ZiPS Projection - Coco Crisp (CF)
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AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG OPS+
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2009 434 63 116 22 3 7 49 39 68 20 .267 .327 .380 85
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Top Comps: Brian McRae (I swear!), Randy Winn
Oddsinator (Based on 471 PA)
Offense %
STAR 9
AVG 48
REP LV 92
OPS+ % OBP % 3B % Hits %
>160 0 >.400 0 >10 0 >200 0
>140 0 >.375 2 >5 20 >150 0
>120 1 >.350 20
>100 21 >.325 57 2B %
>80 71 >.300 88 >45 0
>60 98 >30 9
BA % SLG % HR % SB %
>.350 0 >.550 0 >50 0 >70 0
>.325 0 >.500 0 >40 0 >50 0
>.300 8 >.450 5 >30 0 >30 13
>.275 36 >.400 40 >20 0 >10 90
>.250 76 >.350 85 >10 29
ZiPS Projection - Ramon Ramirez
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W L G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA ERA+
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2009 4 3 66 0 65 62 29 5 29 56 4.02 116
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Top Comps: Jay Powell, Turk Farrell
Oddsinator (Based on Projected Batters Faced)
ERA %
Top 1/3 30
Mid 1/3 42
Bot 1/3 28
ERA+ % BB %
>150 16 <11 0
>140 23 <14 0
>130 32 <18 6
>120 44 <22 18
>110 57 <25 31
>100 70 <29 48
>90 83
>80 92 HR %
>70 98 <4 28
<7 73
K % <11 93
>65 26 <14 100
>58 43
>51 68
>43 94
Dan Szymborski
Posted: November 19, 2008 at 12:49 PM | 25 comment(s)
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Not that it makes me like this trade. But I do think this represents a significant upgrade defensively....and a slight decrease offensively. Not worth it IMO.
Because I put his CS instead of his SB.
I'm not sure the first part of that statement is true.
Smith's combined STATS and BIS ZR have him a bit above average and he's well above-average in THT's RZR (right behind Gomez and Melky) Smith has him projected as 3 runs above average for 2009 and I have him at 5.
Moving DeJesus to left maybe knocks a couple of runs off his value, but there's no way he goes from borderline all-star to "not an organizational strength". DeJesus is a very good player whether he's in left or center. Which spot he plays doesn't really matter all that much.
According to Zone Rating, all of the Red Sox outfielders are below average. Several of the lines are worse than any of the qualifying regulars.
According to Revised Zone Rating, all of the Red Sox outfielders (except Manny and Bay) are good to excellent. Not many out-of-zone plays, but there may be a logical explanation for that.
Take your pick. :) IMHO Crisp is above-average defensively in CF. Weak arm but good instincts and good range.
He's kinda Jim Bowdenish, in other words.
It's called the odd dimensions of Fenway Park, which force the outfielders to play in positions that are not conducive to racking up high zone ratings.
-- MWE
If Crisp is a below-averge or worse CF defensively, this trade makes no sense for the Royals.
If both of those is true, this is a significant blunder.
I am confident in my guess that Moore's appraisal of their defensive attributes differs from Dan's. I am not confident Moore is right. To be fair, I'm not confident Dan is right either -- the vagaries of measuring defensive performance.
And I'll go out on a limb and say that Crisp must be better than Gathright so, at least in that sense, this must be a small step forward for the Royals. Unless he's awful defensively, I suspect he's better than Teahen too.
Is there really no money going to the Royals?
I was going to make this exact point but in question form. This makes intuitive sense to me and if David says the numbers back it up then I believe it. In which case the problem isn't with use of organization resources, it is that Crisp might not be a good major league player. However if Crisp is good defensively and an average hitter it is hard to see how this is a bad trade for the Royals.
Corner OFs are better hitters than CFs by about 12-14 runs.
The reduced chances are the reason for the slight difference, but all in all, it's only a couple of runs worth. It's just not a big deal.
If he can ever rebound hitting wise to what he was when the Sox got him, he's a star CF. Otherwise, he's probably more average.
Not that Teahen's been particularly good, but Crisp has been worse every year but last. I think it's pretty easy to argue that he won't be an upgrade offensively.
So this is the type of insight that a baseball think factory produces...
Of course I though Coco (who I hate) could have benefited from regular playing time, and I got to watch Teahen (who I love) play everyday.
I'd bet on CCC having a higher OBP, and his steals negating MT's HR/slugging advantage.
Again, I love Teahen, but just don;t see where this is going...
he's really streaky, but his hot stretches are now just league average and he can't carry a team with them.
he's not a .300 hitter.
his power isn't coming on
and even with his eyes he can't walk to enough to compensate for his other shortcomings without more power.
he's not on base enough to make the most of his great (and it is) baserunning skills.
he's more or less become a 1B/DH/corner guy, and despite his arm he had some bad stretches in right last year.
He reminds me of a hybrid of a dozen or so sabr-archetypes, the high-OBP/no power minor league guy, the near-average lefty corner guy, the sabr-darling who's sheen has worn off and now people are bitter about defending him...
I really hope his problems are somehow KC related, and that he turns it around somewhere.
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