The Relocation Bible
Everybody seems to want to move in baseball. With the Marlins, Twins, Royals, and A’s being denied in their attempts to gain
a nice, pretty stadium at taxpayers’ expense and stadium funding and Portland’s mayor not being keen on the idea, baseball’s
relocation options are limited. This is even before considering a team like the Devil Rays that also has been hinting at a
move if they don’t get everything they want. So, here's a quick guide to the possibilities, more than enough to handle all
those teams' relocationary needs.
Las Vegas
Pros
Lots of money and a large potential luxury box clientele.
Busy MLB executives can use casinos as an opportunity to take a break from their jobs and get to make stupid decisions and
spend recklessly for a change.
Large population growth
Cons
Combination of hookers, nightlife, and drinking provide a daily opportunity for baseball star to end up on front pages for
the wrong reason.
Large population growth of Las Vegas is predicated on the notion that future generations of new residents won't be interested
in having access to water.
Very small television market.
Cedar Rapids
Pros
Large Eastern European population to worship Eastern European baseball players of limited ability.
Cedar Rapids is home to some paved roads.
Low minority population to keep Old Timey Southern Conservatives and Elitist Liberals from feeling too creeped-out.
Cons
In Iowa.
Only 120,000 people.
'Jimmy's Garage/Notary/Dairy Queen' might not provide the advertising dollars Cedar Rapids would need to compete.
Rome, Italy
Pros
Metropolitan population of 4,000,000.
Growing baseball's popularity in Italy has side effect of next World Baseball Classic team containing at least a few players
that are from Italy or have been to Italy or can speak Italian.
If an Italian government doesn't give MLB its demands, all MLB has to do is wait 3 months for the next time the government
falls apart.
Cons
The religion of Catholicism has a large head-start in marketing over religion of baseball.
American baseball fans frequently confused by existence of foreigners.
Rome isn't used to being looted by barbarians anymore, thus frustrating any attempts by Bud Selig and Bob DuPuy.
12th Century England
Government rather unfriendly towards unions.
Life expectancy in the 30s would provide a great help to teams wanting to get out of bad contracts to veteran players.
No steroids.
Cons
Concession stands of 12th century English food probably not of the highest quality.
Populace may not have heard of sport not invented for 700 years.
Possible timeline changes, like Arthur of Brittany becoming king or Ozzie Guillen becoming evil dictator of a
post-apocalyptic 20th century society.
Mordor
Pros
Very low real estate costs.
Middle-earth residents already familiar with the grand, bombastic, cliche-ridden phrases that are preferred by athletes when
speaking to the media.
With hobbits and dwarves, David Eckstein will finally be taller than someone.
Cons
Seismically unstable region.
Lots of corpses to clean up before stadium construction begins.
Rather small television market.
Fictionia
Pros
You don't have to pay a team made up of fictional people.
If you don't generate any revenue, you get a lot of revenue-sharing dough.
If imaginary city doesn't give into your demands, you can easily move team to new imaginary city.
Cons
John Kruk already appears to live there, thus ensuring he'll be hanging around.
Extorted Imaginary Dollars don't convert easily into US Dollars - only Congress can do that.
Do you want to go somewhere a baseball owner imagines?
Dan Szymborski
Posted: January 13, 2006 at 10:28 AM |
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Ciccolini and Pinky did follow Firefly to the ballgame one day, so they must like baseball there.
And Cedar Rapids already has a stadium where the Kernels play (yeah, it's kind of a dump, but a few million for renovations is all it needs to make it better than Shea). Plus Iowa City is right up the road, so that almost doubles the population.
This article does highlight a strange situation - there a several teaam that might at least be interested in moving, but only 2 somewhat realistic destinations (Vegas and Portland). New Jersey would probably be the best, but I wouldn't count on Steinbrenner ever allowing that.
You would think that this would give the existing cities some leverage to not pay for new stadiums. But we'll see...
Not so. Here's the exact bit of dialogue from "Duck Soup":
All right, I tell you. Monday we watch-a Firefly's house, but he no come out. He wasn't home. Tuesday we go to the ball game, but he fool us. He no show up. Wednesday he go to the ball game, and we fool him. We no show up. Thursday was a double-header. Nobody show up. Friday it rained all day. There was no ball game, so we stayed home and we listened to it on-a the radio.
-- MWE
You forgot Poland
I thought these were both covered by the Mordor survey/analysis, no?
I don't think the White Sox are going anywhere.
Not for quite a long time, and certainly not since the new managing ownership group has taken over.
Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill? Or is that part of the Braves territory?
Oahu or Juneau? The road trips would be devastating.
Montreal would work without Loria. Heck, Miami would work without Loria.
The bottom of the grand canyon. Would there be an anti-Denver effect? Somewhere Jose Lima could pitch!
You mean, aside from San Diego?
Oddly, I think we're Nationals territory. However, Charlotte is Braves territory.
Tom Herr?
Combination of hookers, nightlife, and drinking provide a daily opportunity for baseball star to end up on front pages for the wrong reason.
There is no such thing as bad publicity.
Don't forget Albuquerque!
We have the 'step below' in every sport. What we want is to be major in something. We already hate Portland, so asking us to bid against them is not a problem.
We should be considered as a destination in any serious analysis for a MLB team.
Mordor sounds more fun, though.
Thanks, uhhh, I think.
The problem with Mordor, as I see it, is the concessions... Middle earth grub simply isn't a hot seller. That, and the weather seems bad. Need a facility with a roof.
Dan, this is priceless stuff. I'll be emailing this link around.
Not gonna happen. The metro area is too small to support a major league team.
This article evaluates some of the real possibilities.
-- MWE
Large Eastern European population to worship Eastern European baseball players of limited ability.
You hoping for a contract Dan? :-)
Now Dan's always been funny, but this offseason has inspired his best comedic work (and more of it). But he's still not as laugh-out-loud funny as the O's front office.
Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill? Or is that part of the Braves territory?
Depends. The largest contingent of fans are Braves fans but that's still not a large contingent. Fox national broadcasts treat the Triangle like Braves territory. But Fox Sports cable shows O's games. The extra innings package blacks out all O's games, even if they're not on Fox Sports. Or at least that's how it worked in 2004. One of the regular TV stations used to carry O's weekend broadcasts, but that stopped a few years ago. To my knowledge, the Braves have never been available on regular TV there.
Anyway, the Triangle doesn't have the population or the population density to support an MLB team. Charlotte would be better, but probably still not viable. The Triad (Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem) actually was semi-serious about it a few years ago (they were a "possible" Twins destination I think), under the notion that it's close enough to the Triangle and Charlotte that it would draw fans from there, but the voters had sense.
Another problem is that a MLB team in NC would drive half the teams in minor-league baseball out of business. :-)
UCCF, Cedar Rapids replaced Veterans Memorial Stadium for the 2002 season. They built a new park. They call it Veterans Memorial Stadium.
The new park is pretty nice. I haven't been to many mLB parks, so I can't really say how it compares.
http://www.mwlguide.com/cities/cedarrapids/park.html
Dan, how did Ray Cansella's cornfield not make the list?
I've been there - it would make the Rockies' home stadium look like a pitcher's paradise.
People would come, Dan. People would most definitely come.
Best Regards
John
And David Samson will have someone to relate to in negotiating a stadium deal.
Best Regards
John
I can't take this article seriously either if Charleston, SC, Indy and Memphis are considered more viable than Portland or Vegas.
The new park is pretty nice. I haven't been to many mLB parks, so I can't really say how it compares.
New park, eh? I didn't make it in 2002 (my last half-year in Iowa City).
Maybe it's already nicer than Shea.
[serious]You don't try to get out of a lease in Minnesota, nor go traipsing 7 hours on a plane to Portland, if options aren't being looked at.
At all times, this is about leveraging, but these types of actions that the Marlins and Twins are embarking on could be precursors to relocation.
Hey, in an extreme example, Mayor Wagner said the same thing just before the Dodgers moved to LA. That seemed impossible at the time.[/serious>]
Technically, here in Charlotte we are Braves, Orioles AND Nationals territory. Or so my MLB.com tells me. Bastards.
People would come, Dan. People would most definitely come.
No, you're still thinking of Vegas.
Dan should post more TO entries stoned!
Montreal would work without Loria. Heck, Miami would work without Loria.
Road trips, in Juneau ? Man, there are no roads leading to Juneau... Anchorage might do, only in July, though.
Montreal won't ever work anymore... Forget that.
People would come, Dan. People would most definitely come.
No, you're still thinking of Vegas.
An Iowa-themed Las Vegas casino? Genius!
My billion-dollar idea of a Vatican-themed Vegas casino was spoiled when they built the Venetian (too close), but the Iowa theme is a winner.
That's for Madame Tussaud's. It only seems like the Rangers are fielding a lineup of wax dummies when they're in the field.
That's only a problem for conservatives. That's why there aren't any black GOP congressmen.
That guy's estimation of Portland's population is low, largely because he didn't even consider Clackamas County, where nearly a third of the metro area's population resides. Dumbass.
Clacka-dumbass, even.
1. North New Jersey
2. Connecticut
3. Porland
4. San Antonio
5. Indianapolis
6. Vancouver
7. New Orleans (not now)
8. Las Vegas
The City of Five
SeasonsSmellsDo you work at a funeral parlor?
I would vote for Buffalo, if they'd build a domed stadium. Or Phoenix, if they built a retractable-roofed stadium.
At all times, this is about leveraging, but these types of actions that the Marlins and Twins are embarking on could be precursors to relocation.
Hey, in an extreme example, Mayor Wagner said the same thing just before the Dodgers moved to LA. That seemed impossible at the time.[/serious>]
Anything's possible, but MLB owners have got to understand that any viable move would represent a downgrade in terms of earnings potential. The only way such a move is happening is if a MAJOR sweetheart deal is offered by one of the potential cities - something that doesn't seem to be in the cards at the moment.
This isn't like the Dodgers moving to LA - they moved out of a lucrative but crowded market into a huge market that was baseball-starved and growing by leaps and bounds. To borrow an oil term, LA was an untapped elephant field. There are no more elephant fields out there for baseball to tap into.
I think it's far more likely that the Twins get contracted than they end up moving out of Minnesota.
There's one that would be a significant upgrade from almost anywhere, but no one wants to talk about it because of useless crap like "territorial rights".
I'm relatively sure this is no official Nationals territory. Any territory that is Nationals territory is also Orioles territory, by agreement between the Orioles and MLB as part of the relocation. The Orioles own 75% of MASN, which owns the rights to both Orioles and Nationals broadcasts. MLB bought the other 25% of the network for about $700M.
Thus, the Triangle, which was Orioles territory until the Expos relocated, is still Orioles territory, but also includes the Nationals now.
Charlotte was considered the border between the end of the Orioles territory and the beginning of the Braves territory. That's why it's now listed as being in the territory of all 3 teams now.
1. North New Jersey
2. Connecticut
3. Porland
4. San Antonio>>
Obviously the New York area, although probably pretty viable, has territorial rights issues. But otherwise you are right.
Everytime the issues comes up locally, the competitors for Albuquerque are Portland and San Antonio. For Football, it is Albuquerque, Portland, San Antonio, and that little town of Los Angeles.
The Mayor and Governor have sworn never to let Portland outbid Albuquerque again.
Looking at the problems other teams have with their cities, someone should take advantage of that promise before it fades.
Looking at the problems other teams have with their cities, someone should take advantage of that promise before it fades.
Given that Portland's bid for an MLB team seems to be zero, I don't think it would be hard for them to keep that promise.
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