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1. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: December 15, 2009 at 05:07 PM (#3413422)

Wow. 2 of the comps are luminaries the A's tried to plug into left while Rickey was wandering the desert in pinstripes. That's not good!

2. Al Kaline Trio Posted: December 15, 2009 at 05:11 PM (#3413432)

I'd like to see a throw off between Damon and Pierre.

3. Steve Treder Posted: December 15, 2009 at 05:15 PM (#3413444)

I'd like to see a throw off between Damon and Pierre.

That would be a throw off ... that would make you throw up!

/McCarver

4. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: December 15, 2009 at 05:26 PM (#3413481)

Dan, I must say you're hammering out TOs at a maniacal pace this morning.

As sad as this sounds, I'd definitely take that projection for Pierre. That .340 OBP is likely well above the Sox' current (projected) lineup.

I'd be interested in knowing -- if Pierre rates as +5 or +10 defensively in LF and puts up that line, where does that put him in comparison to an average LFer? Somewhere between replacement level and below average, I hope?

5. aleskel

Posted: December 15, 2009 at 05:59 PM (#3413559)

dang, I clicked on this thread hoping for a snarky photoshop joke. Oh well, I'll settle for the verbal jabs.

6. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 15, 2009 at 06:21 PM (#3413589)

Heh, using the #s from baseballprojection, he's almost a dead match for Scott Podsednik (one less run of offense, two more runs of defense).

7. Voros McCracken, Human Shield Posted: December 15, 2009 at 08:02 PM (#3413785)

Hey Dan, your SLG number looks off. Not "Pierre sucks even worse than that" off, but "I add up the numbers and get .357" off. Yes I know rounding and everything, but that still seems like a big discrepancy.

8. 100 Years is Nothing Posted: December 15, 2009 at 11:15 PM (#3414102)

When all you can really do is hit singles, how hiogh should his slugging be? To get to a .400 slugging, He would have to hit .375. Good luck with that happening.

9. SG Posted: December 15, 2009 at 11:26 PM (#3414111)

I'd be interested in knowing -- if Pierre rates as +5 or +10 defensively in LF and puts up that line, where does that put him in comparison to an average LFer? Somewhere between replacement level and below average, I hope?

Depends a bit on the SB%, but assuming Pierre remains a high-percentage stealer, that projection's around 5 runs better than a replacement level LF offensively. So he'd project around a half win above replacement level before you add in defense. Give him +5 and he's about one win above replacement, one win below average. Give him +10 and he's a half win better.

10. Voros McCracken, Human Shield Posted: December 15, 2009 at 11:40 PM (#3414122)

100 years,

I mean that if you add up the total bases in the above projection and divide it by at bats, you get ".357". Dan has ".387".

11. Frank McCourt's Gold Stars are in bankruptcy court Posted: December 15, 2009 at 11:42 PM (#3414124)

In a perverse way, I am actually looking forward to Plaschke's take on this trade.

12. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: December 15, 2009 at 11:43 PM (#3414125)

Depends a bit on the SB%, but assuming Pierre remains a high-percentage stealer

He's not a high % basestealer, unfortunately.

13. Dan Szymborski

Posted: December 15, 2009 at 11:45 PM (#3414129)

Fixed. Hit 8 on the numpad instead of 5.

14. Morally Excellent Posted: December 15, 2009 at 11:52 PM (#3414132)

In a perverse way, I am actually looking forward to Plaschke's take on this trade.

He hustles.

First, he hustles onto the field.

Then, he hustles to the batter's box.

He hustles to first.

Hustles to second.

To third.

Home.

And now, he's hustling to the White Sox.

...

There, I started it for him.

15. SG Posted: December 15, 2009 at 11:53 PM (#3414133)

He's not a high % basestealer, unfortunately.

He's around 77.5% the last three years, that's not too bad. If he's 38 SB/11 CS with that projection, then yeah, he's still around +5 above a replacement LF. He would lose around .4 runs of value for each extra CS above that.

16. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: December 15, 2009 at 11:59 PM (#3414139)

Thanks SG.

17. NYCTigersfan Posted: December 16, 2009 at 12:04 AM (#3414140)

Just watched MLB Network's (Reynolds & Williams) take on it. The analysis on that station is worthless when it comes to transactions and player evaluation. Mostly about how Pierre is a winner, he improves the OF defense, and he'll be a great leadoff hitter now that he doesn't have to hit behind a pitcher. They need to stick to on-the-field stuff, though nobody's interested in learning how to do a slide step at Christmastime.

18. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: December 16, 2009 at 12:05 AM (#3414142)

After his first year, Pierre's most similar by age was named Ginger. He moved up to Buttercup the next year.

19. Voros McCracken, Human Shield Posted: December 16, 2009 at 12:16 AM (#3414154)

Typing Dan?

I thought you'd have a HAL like super computer cranking all that out by now. In fact, I had assumed you were already in suspended animation while having your thoughts transmitted via wires in your cerebral cortex to the internet via said computer.

Like the borg, only funnier. The Szymborg.

20. tomdaddydollars Posted: December 16, 2009 at 02:39 AM (#3414287)

Surprised not to see anything about the Halladay/Lee trade yet.

21. Der_K is getting more dogmatic. Posted: December 16, 2009 at 02:52 AM (#3414293)

That trade isn't done yet.

22. Dan Szymborski

Posted: December 16, 2009 at 03:17 AM (#3414318)

Yeah, I'm not touching a trade that complex until everyone's done and all the names are official.

23. Bitter Calculus Instructor Posted: December 17, 2009 at 10:31 PM (#3416402)

This means the White Sox have acquired two of Colletti's three free agent debacles this offseason. I hope they sign Jason Schmidt to complete the trifecta.

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