The Bubba and/or the Chacon or Ponson era is over.

I am pretty sure they would hang onto Chacon before Sir Tubby.

While I have no problems with the move I do want to point out that I think the argument quoted above is BS, the major advantage of the Yankees and to a lesser but still true extent the RedSox should be to inulate themseleves from injury by having better backups on hand. The Yankees didn't, and that isn't a reason to rally behind this scrappy bunch, but another reason to accuse the FO of piss poor talant managemnet.

MHS, a logical extension of this is that if someone carelessly smokes in bed, starting a house fire, you wouldn't want to help him out of the fire.

I disagree.

A logical extension is that if Paris Hilton buys a $120 million home and finds out it has termites, we don't applaud her for hiring an exterminator, we laugh at her for not getting the house inspected beforehand.

No one is dying in a frickin' fire here.

But what if it's a really good exterminator? At a reasonable cost?

I'm just saying, but I SWEAR everytime I read defensive analysis of players at this site, the players are immediately downgraded upon being shipped to the Yankees.

JC, here is a Phillie phan's reaction to Abreu's winning the GG, and reader comments. The guy's just not a good defender in anyone's mind.

Whoa, MHS. Just exactly who were the Yankees supposed to keep in reserve and how were they going to keep him happy? Jay friggin Payton threw a fit when he wasn't getting enough playing time. Bernie took short money and knew his role. He was a perfectly respectable 4th OF... esp with Bubba available for D. Only in the department of redundancy department would you plan for both corners to be out for most of the year and for your 5th OF to end up on the 15 day.

Loaiza was on the team for two months. He wasn't big-ticket.

No, but they gave up an excellent pitcher for him, which is a pretty big opportunity cost, if not a big monetary cost.

Does Mel Stottlemyre still have a job, and if so, why?

Whoa, MHS. Just exactly who were the Yankees supposed to keep in reserve and how were they going to keep him happy? Jay friggin Payton threw a fit when he wasn't getting enough playing time. Bernie took short money and knew his role. He was a perfectly respectable 4th OF... esp with Bubba available for D. Only in the department of redundancy department would you plan for both corners to be out for most of the year and for your 5th OF to end up on the 15 day.

Bernie Williams is a replacement level ballplayer. He is not good.

The Yankees also had no reasonable depth at the following positions: 3B, C

MCA, that's my point he's replacement level, which is fine for the role. He knows the team, they know him, he got paid short money and he's happy to be there. Who were they going to get and at what cost? This off-season 4th OFers cost starting pitchers. anybody remember Arroyo/Pena.

and don't forget it's possible that the yankee front office believed Melky could step in and play above replacement level.

Is there a team in the majors with a good backup catcher? Maybe Minn because Redmond is having one of his good years. that's about it. Otherwise it's go into the club of proven veteran back up catchers.

Only in the department of redundancy department

Did you mean to write this? Because I like it.

The Yankees also had no reasonable depth at the following positions: 3B, C

When your starting 3B has played 160 games per year in his career, you don't need a back-up.

"When your starting 3B has played 160 games per year in his career, you don't need a back-up."

Not true. They need to figure out who they will play at 3B in the playoffs.

When your starting 3B has played 160 games per year in his career, you don't need a back-up.

when your starting left fielder has never missed a game in his mlb career ...

TVerik, Yes.

Bernie Williams is a replacement level ballplayer.

No. He's a slightly above replacement level player (1.0 WARP per B Pro). He's got an OPS+ of 95 which isn't horrible, but he does give back a fair amount of his value on defense.

He is not good.

Yeah, he's not very good anymore, but the fans love him. You may not understand it as a Red Sox fan, but you don't have to kick every player out and trash them on the way out of town. You can keep a guy around if the fans like him and if he has some uses. Bernie still hits lefties pretty well. If he doesn't have to play much OF, as part of a DH platoon with a decent lefty bat he's ok.

Bernie's hit better than Abreu the last two months.

MHS, a logical extension of this is that if someone carelessly smokes in bed, starting a house fire, you wouldn't want to help him out of the fire.

Actualkly eric -your wrong. It would be after helping him out saying what a bone head he was for falling asleep with a butt in his hand.

The roommate of the guy who started the fire that burned down my apartment actually got another apartment with that guy. THAT'S stupid.

Philadelphia made out pretty well on this trade. CJ Henry is a much better prospect than people think. He gives Philly some excellent insurance in case Alan Iverson gets hurt.

Far be it from me to deny the Yankees employ a huge payroll advantage, but you do realize that sans Abreu the team is tied for first in the loss column despite losing their two starting corner OF, right?


The whole scrappy Yankees argument gets a little tiresome. Yes, they played most of the year without Shef and Matsui and have lost significant time from Cano, but their division rival has played most of the year without their #3, #4, #5 and #6 starters and #2 reliever plus a good bit of time without their starting CF and 4th outfielder.

Now that 'tek and Nixon have gone down I'd say the Sox have been hit significantly harder by the injury bug this year than the Yanks.

Not counting Dotel, whom the Yankees picked up injured ala Lieber a couple of years ago, NY has lost the following players in order of impact to the team:

Sheffield 82+ days on DL
Matsui 84+
Pavano 124+
Cano 37+
Sturtze 82+
Small 29
Crosby 27
Rasner 61+

After Cano the dropoff in talent lost is such that the effect on the team is pretty negligible. The Sox haven't lost anyone of the calibre of Shef & Matsui (at least until this week) but have had a greater culmulative loss:

Wells 118
Clement 50+
Crisp 49
Foulke 53+
Wakefield 17+
Pena 50
Timlin 17
DiNardo 73+
Riske 47
Varitek 3+
Nixon 4+
Holtz 40 (then released)
Choi 34 (DFA'ed w/o yet making the Big Club)

So, how's the trade working out for Yankees?

So, how's the trade working out for Yankees?

I dunno, you might ask those Red Sox pitchers.

A logical extension is that if Paris Hilton buys a $120 million home and finds out it has termites, we don't applaud her for hiring an exterminator, we laugh at her for not getting the house inspected beforehand.

But what if it's a really good exterminator? At a reasonable cost?

#1) This is just assinine...! ;) ... An inspection is required by lenders before the financing will be approved. Who's got the cash to put down on a $120M home...? Besides, a $120M home is NOT a home at all, it's a friggin Castle...!

#2) That depends. If it's that big, the costs will not be all that reasonable. And the treatment options would be different based on whether it's subterrainian termites, dampwood termites or drywood termites. (Unprecidented size being beside the point.) Something that massive would be built to withstand the ravages of heavy termite infestation over a significant period of time, based on centuries, not years. So it would not use wood as supporting structure, only as design detail.

Roaches would probably be a bigger problem.


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Termites can be an STD? Damn, that c0nt gets around.

Termites can be an STD? Damn, that c0nt gets around.

Not sure I understand what you're asking...!???


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