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Friday, December 23, 2005

“Gehrig Supplants Pipp, Shanks has Ward’s place and Bengough Does the Catching.”

“Radical shift by Huggins”

“Gehrig Supplants Pipp, Shanks has Ward’s place and Benough Does the Catching.”

The headlines from June 3rd, 1925 New York Times, which was the first start of Lou Gehrig’s consecutive game streak.  It is actually the second game of the streak as it started the day before with an unsuccessful pinch hit appearance for Short Stop Ernie Johnson. 

“The most radical shakeup of the Yankee line-up in many years left only three regulars of last season in the batting order – Dugan, Ruth and Meusel. Gehrig made two singles and a double in his first three trips to the front”.

This was the Yankees starting lineup that day:

Pee Wee Wanninger
Joe Dugan
Earl Combs
Babe Ruth
Bob Meusel
Lou Gehrig
Howie Shanks
Benny Bengough
Urban Shocker

The most interesting part of the lineup is that the man I think of as the greatest leadoff hitter in Yankee history is a rookie, and hitting third and not leadoff.  He actually started the season batting third, as he hit in that slot in a number of exhibition games.  I don’t believe he actually moved to the leadoff spot until July 19th of his rookie season. 

Mister High Standards Posted: December 23, 2005 at 10:09 AM | 7 comment(s)
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   1. Damon Rutherford Posted: December 23, 2005 at 02:22 PM (#1791985)
So is the Bengough typo in the headline their doing or yours?
   2. villainx Posted: December 23, 2005 at 03:41 PM (#1792089)
MHS, are you a Yankee fan, by which I mean the current team?

And I've said it before, but I like this whole idea. If Willie was managing, Gehrig would be hitting seventh.
   3. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 23, 2005 at 05:06 PM (#1792184)
The most interesting part of the lineup is that the man I think of as the greatest leadoff hitter in Yankee history is a rookie

Combs was the greatest Yankee leadoff hitter based on career, but I'll take Rickey's peak over the Kentucky Colonel's any day of the week.
   4. Mister High Standards Posted: December 24, 2005 at 11:30 AM (#1792906)
1. It was mine. Fixed, thanks.

2. Rex - not a Yankee fan. I have a rooting intrest in the RedSox but as the years go by the term fan might be a little strong. I'll get off the Yankees motif shortly.

3. John -

Rickey played parts of 5 seasons in pinstripes - stealing tons of bases and posting very high on base percentages in all of the seasons, creating over 100 runs in 3 of the seasons.

Lets call Rickeys Yankee peak 85, 86 and 88. With 85 being one of the best years from a leadoff hitter ever. In those 3 years Henderson created 140, 113, and 109 runs using up 398 outs, 480 outs, and 412 outs.

Lets call Combs 3 year peak 27, 29, and 30 where he created 142 runs, 122 runs and 118 runs. Using 435 outs, 402 outs, and 370 outs.

On the surface Combs looks to have been better, however, as a leadoff hitter your component values are slightly different than of an average player, so considering how close the players were in production its not a stretch to think that Rickeys peak was slightly greater due to skill set.

If you use any longer time frame than 3 year than Combs is much better than Rickey. Of course this only talks about time with the Yankees. For a career value Rickey is without a doubt the man.
   5. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 24, 2005 at 03:05 PM (#1793055)
Lets call Rickeys Yankee peak 85, 86 and 88. With 85 being one of the best years from a leadoff hitter ever. In those 3 years Henderson created 140, 113, and 109 runs using up 398 outs, 480 outs, and 412 outs.

Lets call Combs 3 year peak 27, 29, and 30 where he created 142 runs, 122 runs and 118 runs. Using 435 outs, 402 outs, and 370 outs


But don't these numbers need to be put into context, Matt?
   6. villainx Posted: December 25, 2005 at 03:28 AM (#1793561)
Well, the Yankees have a rich history, regardless of rooting interest. And it's a good place to start. I didn't even know who Combs is, let alone arguably the Yankees top leadoff hitter.
   7. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: December 25, 2005 at 09:00 AM (#1793586)
Context: AL Average runs a game

1927 4.92
1929 5.01
1930 5.41


1985 4.56
1986 4.61
1988 4.36
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