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Count the Rings™ — Twenty-four, Twenty-five, Twenty-six.... ? Monday, April 09, 2007The Yankees and MLB: Penny wise and Pound foolish…... and taxing the poor too. Now, fair warning, I’m getting on my high horse here, and not about the sorry state of the Yankees starting pitchers (plenty of other folks are already taking note, but I’m not that concerned given: its April and the games were apparently played inside a snow globe above the arctic circle). I was sort of knocking around the office and saw a press release tinkle across the wires titled: “Scientific Games and 12 State Lotteries Launch Major League Baseball Instant Games.” Now, leaving aside they aren’t launching, they are expanding (after a pilot last year) this abomination, I have to ask? Why aren’t more people coming out and saying “What the hell?” Let me be upfront, I have nothing against lotteries - they are a fine thing for some people, but they are a “tax” on people who usually can ill afford it - especially the type of lotteries these games will be: instant scratchers. So, there’s that unsavoriness, but there’s the larger picture to think of as well. Baseball posts Rule 21(d) in every clubhouse. We wag fingers about stories A-Rod and his poker. We shake our heads at what might have been with, and what is, with Pete Rose. Recently departed commissioner Bowie Kuhn “banned” Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle for getting paid to play golf with gamblers. Gambling is not baseball’s Original Sin - that’s baseball’s history pre-1947 - but it is first among the “thou shalt nots” in baseball’s commandments (yes, moreso than PEDs). So why do we not raise outrage about this, about baseball aligning itself with gamblers, albeit state-sanctioned gamblers, but gamblers nonetheless. Given how fiercely MLB defends its trademarks (ask rotisserie outfits around the country and anyone who is subject to the whims of MLB’s inane blackout rules), why would they hand over the logos of a dozen teams to state lotteries? It’s like the Spider-Man bases thing - appearances and perceptions be damned, where’s my cash? Now, I’d like to think the Yankees would be above that sort of nonsense - but then I hear Waldling from the “Lowe’s Broadcast Booth,” dropping a sponsor name every third or fourth pitch, so it’s not that. So I’m past the point of thinking these guys don’t have bills to pay, but they do have a choice in who they take money from. Would the Yankees and MLB take cash from BetOnSports.com? Harrah’s? Other Casinos? I doubt it. It just appears unseemly and upsets me. Does that make me an oversensitive jackass, probably, but generally this move cheapens the game, reducing it to level of “Lucky Sevens/Shamrocks” or whatever goofy games these states offer at the counters of convenience stores everywhere. Putting a team logo or the MLB logo on it comes with an implicit, if not explicit endorsement, and it just seems that a sport with a checkered gambling history wouldn’t want to endorse gambling in any form. The Yankees are not alone here - New Jersey will put the Yankees, Mets and Phillies on one ticket, California is having separate tickets for each of its teams (Padres, Dodgers, Angels, A’s and Giants), Massachusetts will put the Red Sox on what the company says is a ticket “at the highest price point to date - $10,” Texas will put the ‘Stros and Rangers on their own tickets, and Missouri will let you scratch Cardinal and Royal tickets and the Reds and Indians will share a ticket in Ohio. What irked me in reading all this, were these line from the press release:
Some teams are even featuring a Lottery Night, and selling lottery tickets in their stadiums throughout the season.
“These games exemplify two major trends in lottery marketing, the use of licensed properties and the adoption—and popularity—of non-cash
The Major League Baseball instant games will feature prizes like season tickets, special team merchandise not generally available, road trips, pre-
So, I’ll be able to get my hot dog and Coke… and a $5 scratcher in between innings? That may appeal to people - but I suspect it doesn’t appeal to many around here. To me it just seems like taking the money without fully considering what taking the money means. In other words, par for the course. Sean McNally
Posted: April 09, 2007 at 11:08 AM | 31 comment(s)
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And I agree with everything you said, Sean.
Well, because you don't bet on baseball games through state-run lotteries. I'd bet that MLB would have no problem with marketing deals with casinos if they didn't have sports books.
I have deep philosophical problems with state-sponsored gambling, but that has little or nothing to do with MLB. I also don't appreciate the proliferation of advertisements and sponsorship deals in baseball, but that horse left the barn a long time ago. I don't see a Boston Red Sox scratcher as more egregious than, say, a Boston Red Sox Visa/Mastercard.
While some regard lotteries as regressive forms of taxation, Thomas Jefferson reportedly thought they were the best tax because they were entirely voluntary.
Me too.
While some regard lotteries as regressive forms of taxation, Thomas Jefferson reportedly thought they were the best tax because they were entirely voluntary.
While Jefferson was amazingly right about a lot of things, he was entirely wrong about this one. Taxes shouldn't be voluntary, they should be compulsory. And a state-run lottery is a regressive tax of the worst sort. The only way they could make it worse would be for the state to sell heroin as a revenue-raiser, spending millions to aggressively market it, and having it available at every gas station and convenience store.
Naw, the government should only sell drugs when they need to illegally fund "rebel" groups to war against democratically elected governments that don't do what they're told.
Actually, I've always felt that state run lotteries are fine so long as we know that the profits are reserved for progressive causes - funding for low socioeconomic areas, underfunded schools, health care for the uninsured. I'd think of it as "social security" for the poor.
It's when the revenues are pocketed away to unknown places that I think it's wrong.
I guess that's a lot more reasonable.
How about then if the state pimped hookers as a fund-raiser, marketing their services on TV, radio, and print, and had them standing around in hot pants in front of every gas station and convenience store? More appropriate?
The problem for progressives is that lotteries don't actually add any new money for those causes - it simply replaces the traditional revenue stream (taxes) with an alternative revenue stream. the net gain for poor people is zero.
Once the revenue stream is in place, the tax money traditionally earmarked towards those things is either cut off in the form of tax cuts or re-routed to other purposes.
I have no problem with this at the technical level. Personally, I would be against it because it's against my set of values, and I'd be embarrassed to have a government which were complicit with such a method of gathering revenue. But that's on the personal level.
However, if there were a nation with a given set of values (say, Amsterdam) who chose to increase government revenues by selling sex, and it weren't against that nation's set of values and norms, I don't find any moral qualms with it.
That just makes it more wrong. To the extent that lottery funds were to be reserved only for good things, all that does is allow the state to siphon other funds away from them (which has happened in spades in California).
And regardless, having the state spend millions to conduct highly sophisticated marketing campaigns designed to persuade its poorest, least financially-savvy citizens to spend their money in a ridiculously foolish, irresponsible manner is the primary problem with state-sponsored lotteries. It's an example of Undermining the Development of a Stable Middle Class 101.
I would, if I were a taxpayer there. That would be stupid way for that government to raise revenue, and a stupid way for that government to manage the issue of prostitution.
I think prostitution, drugs, and sex shouldn't be illegal. But that's a million miles from saying the government should actively engage in those businesses, and assertively market and grow them.
And they seem to be advertising it quite extensively during broadcasts. I know the Twins already had some advertising tie-ins with the lottery, as certain "fans of the game" on TV broadcasts are given a bunch of lottery tickets as a prize. ("Woo-hoo! I get to scratch off a bunch of tickets and hope to collect the money you folks paid for these in the first place!")
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch for either the lotteries or MLB, but it really does seem to cheapen what is generally a fine civic institution in Minnesota.
Well, Amsterdam is a city, not a country. But other than that, I am SO moving there.
I think it is very wrong for the Government to be going into private business and competing with independent businesses. That way lies Socialism.
While I'm hardly a lottery proponent, even poor people can make decisions about spending their limited recreational funds on lottery participation without the intervention of the nanny-state.
I would write a great big long post about MLB aligning with MBNA.
Agreed, which is why I used Visa/Mastercard as an example. The credit industry does a lot more damage than the lottery does.
I would write a great big long post about MLB aligning with MBNA.
The Yankee fan has an excellent point.
They don't forbid them playing the lottery, either.
I'm not saying whether the credit card thing is right or wrong... its probably shaky though. What I am saying is this lotto thing stinks.
As well they should. But when the state spends millions to actively encourage them to spend those limited recreational funds on lottery participation, it's intervening, and in a manner which is impossible to sensibly reconcile with the proper role of the state.
Quite likely true. But that doesn't make the state's role in sponsoring and marketing the lottery any less defensible.
Completely agreed.
any more defensible
That's a solid point. I'm not with you on the taxes being compulsory deal, but we're in lockstep on the wrongness of having the government actively encourage people to make terrible financial decisions.
Ummm ... at least 2 years ago, there were casino commercials run on NESN during Red Sox games. Granted, I suppose that money's going to NESN, not the Red Sox directly but ...
and the Padres (I think it was) had a rotating behind the plate ad for an Indian-run casino. Again, I suppose the money there goes to the stadium owners, not the Padres directly but...
I assume both of those are still true.
So I was appalled a couple years ago when I discovered this (the things you learn with extra innings). I've been appalled by lotteries for a long time, MLB's involvement doesn't make me significantly more appalled.
Of course, this is all a matter of perspective. Some leagues have very different policies
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