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2. 15%
3. Matsuzaka-san
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Matsuzaka
Although I'm rooting for Matsuzaka to suck so I don't have to read or hear the Dice-K moniker anymore. The faster he fades into oblivion the faster the name disappears. I'm also rooting for Gordon to explode because he's on one of my scoresheet teams, and it's time for the Royals to be competitive again.
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If Gordon hits .280, 20, 80 and plays well in the field without any high-level experience in professional ball, I think he will be okay.
It should be noted that I did pick Memphis to lose in the second round of the tournament so what do I know?
yr lg consensus roy actual roy
2006 NL Hermida H Ramirez
2006 AL Johjima Verlander
2005 NL Atkins Howard
2005 AL McPherson H Street
2004 NL K Matsui Bay
2004 AL B Crosby Crosby</pre>
I'm not sure I would - non-MLB professional leagues are not the equivalent of MLB, and anyway it's hardly DK's fault that he hasn't pitched in MLB until now - but you seem to be denying the ROY to him based on the first sentence of the quoted remark.
I would put my money on Gordon. I think DK will be excellent, but I think Gordon will be, too. The whole "he's a real rookie" thing will work for him. That, and the "Let's throw KC a bone" thing. Of course, I'm not sure that Royals fans should want Gordon to be ROY. It's kind of like the Grammy for "New Artist of the Year."
Unless I'm missing something, Gordon has played a full season somewhere in the world.
Very well: A rookie of the year award shouldn't go to someone who has spent a year at the top level available in their system.
If you're talking about professional baseball systems, then Gordon would qualify... But Jackie Robinson, for whom the award is named, would not have qualified.
I think the BBWAA already has their own arbitrary line. If you want to start your own award, feel free to draw your line wherever you please.
Oh wait, nevermind.
The AFC trophy is named after Lamar Hunt -- he wouldn't have been able to win his own trophy, were he still alive. (Unless owners are a part of the team? He gets a ring I'm sure, but he's not actually a part of the team is he?)
In any event, I don't think Robinson should have won one, either. Unless, of course, you'd care to say that the Negro Leagues were wholly inferior (like a minor league) to the Major Leagues.
Do not move. Remain completely still. The small sample size monster's around there, somewhere, and he has movement-based vision.
[...]All-Star teams of players playing for something substantial like say, national pride[...]
Do you think the Americans were playing for national pride? Did they have their best men out there?
Yes, it was a small sample size. That means that it's not scientific or conclusive, but it also doesn't mean nothing. A lot of people before the tournament said that the East Asian teams would be blasted off the field, and most people who knew the first thing about the teams involved said that wasn't the case.
Then the East Asian teams appeared to be the best two teams to take the field over the small number of games played.
In fact, the top three teams in the tournament were comprised mostly of non-MLB players, once again over a small number of games (Smaller than what I said--Matsuzaka only pitched three games IIRC).
I think that's completely awesome. Either it means that small sample size allowed something unlikely to occur or it means that our national/world pasttime will continue to get deeper and better over the next couple of decades.
Incidentally, I have no idea why you use the U.S. team as an example. I don't think Matsuzaka faced them at all. Perhaps my original comment created that confusion. If so, I apologize.
Then the East Asian teams appeared to be the best two teams to take the field over the small number of games played.
This supports the idea that the Japanese league may not be as good as the MLB, but they most certainly aren't wholly inferior either. This is why I think Matsuzaka shouldn't be in any type of running for the ROY.
Jody Gerut actually outhit Matsui by a pretty fair margin that year too.
As for my take on this, no Japanese Leaguers shouldn't be eligible for RoY
I think if it's close, Gordon gets the nod because a lot of people feel that guys who've already playing in a Major League shouldn't get it. I don't think it will be very close though.
And he's signed for four more ####### years. That is Cashman's worst move since taking over. Not a terrible move, but it doesn't give them much flexibility in developing Melky/finding a superior talent. If they can get him to first (and play it decently, he's athletic, I think he's capable of that) or when Giambi is gone, DH him, then he will have more value to the team.
"I don't think it will be very close though."
You think Gordon is going to be that much better then Dice-K?
Well, he did sign a contract. He could have left Japan for say, South America after HS, signed with an MLB organization as a free agent, and worked his way up through the minors. It's not like he was kidnapped from his parents home and sold into slavery.
He's a pretty good hitter for a corner OF but a terrible defender.
Isn't this exactly why we have left field in the first place?
I think one of the best things that happened to the Yankees was that Matsui had an injury that was so severe that it forced the end of his games streak. If it had stayed intact, you'd be seeing a lot less of Melky, and there'd be little chance of moving Matsui to DH for fear of it making the DH streak inferior to Ripken's and Gehrig's. As it stands now, he can be rested against tough lefties and, when it becomes necessary, moved to DH. Of course, if Torre's still in charge, he won't be moved.
You think Gordon is going to be that much better then Dice-K?
Silly me. Why are we even talking about these chumps when Pedroia's going to destroya them all?
I thought it was more for excellent hitters who can't field. Either way, the perception of Matsui is that he's a great hitter--an RBI guy!--and a decent fielder. I've heard Michael Kay say, repeatedly, "When Matsui came over to the US, he was a great fielder. Now, all of a sudden, he seems to be barely average!" Both of those assessments seem to really outstrip what's happening in the field.
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I think he'll end up third behind Gordon and someone else (that person neither being Pedroia or Delmon Young).
No doubt he's an excellent hitter. Other then his rookie year, he's probably been a 20 hitter in the AL when he's played. He also has a tendency to have big at bats (See, I didn't say clutch), but he's a bad defensive corner outfielder and a slow, and overly conservative baserunner. All that eats into his value. I still think he's a good player, better then Bobby Higginson. He's just a limited player who should be DHing, but can't because we already have one. I just like Melky more and I've never warmed up to him because of his first year with Charlie Steiner insisting that he was a great player because of his rbis when he was pretty average.
This is not to say that Hideki's a bad player (Higginson was pretty valuable for a while), but it's just to say he's not an All-Star. Like you, I like Melky a lot after last year and I'll be rooting for the Yankees to bury him or trade him for peanuts. (Of course, they're too smart to do either.)
That's enough to make him ~23 BRAA/150 games. How much does his defense siphon off of that figure?
And so spontaneous! Unquestionably the inspired expression of your genuine Amerkin home-town baseball fan rather than the (uninspired) packaged product of some cubicle in the Red Sox PR department.
Nope.
I'm suggesting that the award be based on the BBWAA rules. The BBWAA definition of "rookie" ignores time not played in MLB. Neither NPB, nor Negro Leagues, nor college, nor minor leagues, nor anything else counts toward the qualifications.
So far, you haven't advocated that the BBWAA change their rules; you've only said that some players should not have been awarded, on the basis of something other than the official qualifications. Like I suggested, if you don't like the rules, start your own award. If you'd like to suggest that the BBWAA change their award qualifications, go right ahead. But all you've done so far is to suggest that the BBWAA ignore their own rules in issuing their own award.
I am curious, though. I doubt you intended it this way, but the above quote means, "Garth supports Jackie Robinson's winning the ROTY, only if villageidiom says the Negro Leagues were wholly inferior to MLB." Is that really what you meant? Or were you unwavering on Jackie, but trying to race-bait me? Or something else? What does superiority or inferiority of any non-MLB league have to do with my argument?
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