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so, to which goofy study exactly are you referring? I mean, the man has done so much damage over the years in producing goofy studies, it's hard to know where to start
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Considering how close the Tigers and Mariners have been to the Yankees, I think Sheehan is reaching a little--but supposedly Torre is going to push to the wire.
So, let's see what happens if the Yankees go out in the ALDS while the Red Sox advance. THEN we'll see people saying Torre ###### up by pushing for the division and wearing out the regulars, while the Red Sox, as usual, are ahead of the game. Dayn Perry and Seth Mnookin will love it.
Part of this is cultural:
You have the Yankee-Red Sox culture, which affects different people in different ways, but as Mahnken said, the recent events are in some fans' heads. I doubt they are in players or management's heads.
Also, baseball fans in general are not used to "resting/prepping for the playoffs" without a big lead. What the Red Sox are apparently doing is kind of a new thing.
Well, one thing Sheehan neglected to mention IIRC (I read it quickly) was the "Joba Rules" which are "Epsteinian" (I think Cashman and Epstein likely see eye-to-eye on many issues). I tend to think Torre was (obviously) going balls-out to get the WC. He may back off once he thinks that it is firmly in hand. We'll see if he gives Jeter, Rodriguez, Posada, Cabrera and Cano a day or two off that they might not get in a full-on balls-out situation, and how he deals with Rivera. It would certainly seem reasonable to rest Rodriguez, Jeter and Posada a little bit rather then playing them every singel inning/day in an attempt to catch Boston and to be careful with Rivera.
With the new playoff schedule, the ALDS will begin either on Wednesday or Thursday, providing a cushion for resting players and aligning the pitching rotation without altering the regular season approach. The Yanks also have tomorrow off.
If it starts on Wednesday and they have a travel day to Anaheim, the value of the "cushion" is debatable.
I am not saying I agree with Sheehan. I just thought the counterpoint was interesting.
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I think he means "starting about now."
Is it so wrong to wish that an angry mob takes multiple tire iron shots to Eric Hinske's legs? Is IT???
And so will you since you've repeatedly pointed to the Red Sox brilliant braintrust as a reason they can overcome a $60 mil. payroll deficit.
I've asked this before, but I'll ask again:
Which team do you think has:
A better 25-man?
A better farm system?
Better field management?
A better FO?
Pretty close on all counts. I know you're on the record saying the Red Sox are far better in every category, despite the fact that the Yanks have won the last 10 divisions. How have the Yankees done that with their inferior management and personnel?
Really? I think the Red Sox are a little better than the Yankees in 2007, and were in 2004, but I don't recall saying that.
OK. I would agree, giving the current Red Sox a very slight edge on 25-man, and a slight edge on FO. I think FS is pretty even, as is field management.
Don't you just love baseball, btw?
Red Sox; about 2 games better
A better farm system?
tie
Better field management?
tie; both Francona and Torre have their moments
A better FO?
tie; a Pavano to a Drew
for what its worth, tonight the Yankees had one of the most favorable strike zones I've seen this year. They were lucky to win.
Indeed. Sept. has been fun for fandom. I hope Oct matches it.
Well, according to you, this year the Tigers and the Red Sox have "handed it to them."
The Yankees were better in 2006. I think they were fortunate to tie the Red Sox in 2005 (see Small, Aaron and Chacon, Shawn). The teams were pretty even in 2003 and 2004, and I think most analysts picked the Red Sox in 7 before the 2004 ALCS. It was the WAY it happened that was amazing.
And, I said "current" as in "2007."
When is Ramirez going to play?
What? The zone was terrible for both teams, as even Palmer acknowledged. Too large, too low, and at the very end, very inconsistent.
I agree that it was inconsistent, but I think Pettitte got a lot more of the favorable calls. Just my two cents.
In any case, they really won because 1) Pettitte was strong 2) the defense was terrific 3) Mo didn't break; and of course 4) they had a healthy dose of luck.
Is that a trick question, Erik? Why wouldn't he be more valuable to a team with scattershot arms?
Certainly, the timing of his playing coincides nicely with their recent hot run, and I don't think he actually has anything to do with that. But I'm trying to figure out if a guy like him - a bench guy at this point - is able to bring the numbers of other fielders up significantly. A first baseman who doesn't scoop an errant throw is not charged with an error, and I don't think PBP data penalizes him for it either.
Well, Detroit lost today, so the Sox' magic number for the Wild Card is three with nine to play. I would say that stranger things have happened, but I'm not sure that's actually true :) With nine to play in 1964, the Phillies' magic number was seven.
That said, it's far, far more exciting than I could have hoped right now.
Mariano has been scaring me almost as much as he did in the beginning of the season. Lots of walks from him lately.
Giambi isn't playing at all. I'd like to see what he has.
A-Rod is really slumping. You could especially see it in tonight's game. He got all of one, and flew out to deep left. When he's on, that's on the Deegan.
I'm going to win my bet. Where is kevin in all this?
Well, of the 3 games at Tampa, one involves Dice-K on our side and another involves Kazmir on theirs. That's bad.
We've had a lot of trouble with Oakland.
Are we sure that Santana won't be pitching one of those four home games vs. Minnesota?
It goes back a ways:
1. How much of an advantge the NYY payroll gives them over Bos.
2. Whether the Red Sox are "underdogs" and are/have been in trouble in 2007. To me, the answer is no, since trouble=real chance of missing the postseason.
3. I am admittedly a twitch about RSNCLs due to my knowledge about Larry Lucchino (long story).
I actually respect Darren FWIW.
JC, how do you feel about the Yankees as an October team? As I said upthread, I am skeptcial about things going better for them this time and see the Red Sox as having a slightly better October-type roster. Do you agree or disagree? Don't know?
The AL is all wrapped up. And in the NL, no team is yet in the driver's seat. OK, maybe Arizona, but the other three spots are up for grabs.
Well, 4 in two appearances. before that, his last BB was in midaugust.
His control was fine tonight, the strike zone was a mess.
How about a 3.5 game lead, with 7 to play, and 4 of those games against the team chasing you?
I don't get this at all.
There are no ties when both teams make the playoffs, the team that wins the tiebreaker wins the division.
I don't feel good about them, as I said (or implied) in the other thread about the Yankees' roster. I don't like their SPing at all. Way too many ifs, way too many very volatile guys. Their best looking pitcher has been Kennedy, but he's too young and the FO is not bold enough to give him a start. The other guys are enormous question marks.
I don't care about Giambi. I'm glad he's not playing. The lineup is fine. The pitching is not playoff pitching.
IMHO of course.
If it's Cleveland, I am seeing Sabathia and Carmona each pitching 4-hit shutouts.
If it's Anaheim, I see Escobar and Saunders both beating the Sox 3-2.
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I would throw in the Clemens signing. His performance has been replacement-level, but taking the starts from the DeSalvos and Clippards of the world was important
Hideous to be sure, but the Jays' magic number was still seven with seven left in '87, as opposed to three with nine left.
The Dodgers' magic number was five with nine left in 1951. I guess that cuts it pretty close. OK, things almost as strange have happened. Sorry for bringing it up, Sox fans :)
Incidentally, Clemens performance isn't close to being replacement-level bad, unless they've raised that bar a bunch. He's not worth the cash in R/$ terms, but let's not overstate things
EDIT: Too late and see you responded.
you're right; I wanted to say "mediocre" or "average", just didn't think it was descriptive enough.
Bluto: Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
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Damn, it never has the same effect when I stuff it with a typo! My only concern was when I got in the car this morning my Red Sox key ring fell apart with the actual red sock coming off the ring itself...a harbinger of things to come? I think not!!
My coin flip method produces a 3-4% chance that what just happened will happen. To say it was pure chance is pure nonsense. They're pressing like crazy.
Oh I totally agree its phychological, but that's the beauty of it isn't it? One decent win to get that positive feeling back and its done, they go on a roll that ends in a WS victory!
EDIT: In case you really didn't know, they don't use tie breakers unless both teams make the post season. The Red Sox and Tigers would have a one game play-off for the wild card.
It won't matter, the Sox are going to the playoffs!!
EDIT: or did you mean who won the coin flip to host the game? I have no idea.
Besides, Boston is going to the post season. They'll probably win the division, but if they don't they're getting in as the WC.
As for the Sox fans, you guys sound like I (and many other Yankees fans) did at the beginning of the season. You're not nearly this bad and we're not nearly this good. I will go crazy if the Yankees win the division, but it won't mean anything if the Sox win the WS. And I think the Cardinals and Tigers showed last year how you finish the regular season doesn't matter much as long as you're in the playoffs.
There is no tiebreaker for Bos and Det. It's a one-game playoff. Not that it's in anyway relevant.
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You do realize this is contradictory. You don't employ a tiebreaker if there is no tie. Calling the tiebreaker winner the division champ is one thing (and I though the bet should have been paid off), but you can't pretend that the race didn't/doesn't end in a tie.
Seriously? No. I've been sold by Darren and others on the "they don't give a ####" arguments. It's been obvious for the entire month from the roster management - the extreme conservatism with injuries, the overprotection of Buchholz, the weird patterns of relief usage - that they decided in the last couple of weeks to coast home, and that attitude has been communicated to the few regulars who are still in the lineup. Manny and Coco would definitely have been playing this whole series if they were feeling any heat, for example.
I am not pretending they didn't end with the same record, but of course, that is not the question. The question is the division winner. In 2005 it was the yanks, if they tie this year, it will be the yanks.
And yes, the bet was too see who would win the division, and Vegas paid the Yankees, as Biff should have.
I'm not sold on that. I just think somebobdy needs to be fired due to incompetence.
the extreme conservatism with injuries
If they were actually Conservative, Big Papi would have had at least one DL visit, Okajima would not be hilariously overworked and overexposed, and they would have gone toa 6 man rotation with Dice-K
I don't see the problems as something wrong with the Red Sox roster as constituted - I think they're just reacting to environmental stimuli, basically - but I think that this points to one of the problems with treating the regular season as meaningless. The players are going to be influenced by that choice, and they won't play as well. The Sox decision to punt on the division was probably based on calculations that expected the players to perform at their typical level, but the decision itself has then had effects on the level of play.
EDIT: maybe that's what you were saying to begin with. in which case, yes, I agree.
The Red Sox aren't playing well right now. Most teams have bad stretches. Tampa pitching should help them get back on track.
pants pisser.
Everytime Scott Kazmir pitches, I feel like committing seppuku.
Maybe they should play the games in a Skinner box.
I feel like committing seppuku.
Considering how many people you've wished cancer on, you should.
So you're saying it's a crapshoot?
3 isn't an excessive amount!
Buy me a Katana!
Woefully unprepared.
You can't expect to have suicide tools for more than one method. Jeez, everybody's a critic.
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