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Tuesday, October 14, 2008

ALCS Game 4: Tampa Bay Crushes

There’s not too much to say about this game. Wakefield did not have it and the Rays really took advantage. One interesting contrast between these two teams that was illustrated tonight: health. Crawford and Longoria returned from injuries and were just awesome tonight. The Red Sox injured players are either out (Lowell) or don’t look themselves (Ortiz, Drew, and Beckett). Part of this is just lousy timing but another part is probably due to the Red Sox being older and generally more injury prone.

Just because Boston has twice come back after being down 2 or more in the past 4 ALCS, it doesn’t mean they will this time. I feel fairly good about Dice-K in game 5, and Lester in game 6. But a) you’ve got to win both and b) even if you do, you’ve got to figure out something in game 7.

It will be fun to have an extra day to stew about this.

Darren Posted: October 14, 2008 at 11:17 PM | 81 comment(s)
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1. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 14, 2008 at 11:27 PM (#2982540)

For some reason, I don't feel angry. Nor do I feel the need to use obscenities.

2. Answer Guy Posted: October 14, 2008 at 11:41 PM (#2982551)

I'm pretty annoyed. There are obscenities kicking around my head. But this is nowhere near an 1986 or 2003 level of stomach punch.

At least, at least, may our boys win Game 5 and if the Rays get their celebration, have it happen in that trash-heap of a ballpark in the strip-mall hell that is the Gulf Coast of Florida and not on Fenway's grass.

3. tfbg9 Posted: October 14, 2008 at 11:48 PM (#2982558)

Ahhhhh--its OK. Blowouts don't get to me all that much.

4. TVerik fondly recalls Todd Palin's facial hair Posted: October 14, 2008 at 11:51 PM (#2982560)

You guys aren't going to want to hear it from me, but I've been watching this series from the beginning, and the comparison that jumps out at me is that it reminds me of the 2002 ALDS, where the Angels just backed a truck over the Yankees.

The big difference, of course, is that this is a seven-gamer. I think the day off will be good for the Sox.

5. Justin T got in to U.H.I.D.! Posted: October 14, 2008 at 11:54 PM (#2982563)

Not a Sox fan but I wanted to come here and brag about how clutch my decision to record a couple hockey games instead of this was.

6. Answer Guy Posted: October 14, 2008 at 11:56 PM (#2982564)

Good call on the hockey games, JT. Especially gutsy call that paid off considering the usual quality of early season hockey.

7. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 15, 2008 at 12:18 AM (#2982580)

Wow, and I mean wow, they just smoked us twice. Pretty impressive stuff from the Rays. I'm with tfbg9 though, blowouts are a bit blah as far as I'm concerned. I'm still smarting about game 2.
Oh well, we aren't gone yet.
But man, I'd sure be happy to see Papi show up when it counts with runners on.

8. E., Hinske Posted: October 15, 2008 at 12:29 AM (#2982587)

Spending $900 to be in Boston and attend these last two games? Fantastic.

9. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 15, 2008 at 12:31 AM (#2982588)

For some reason, I don't feel angry. Nor do I feel the need to use obscenities.

Hopefully two championships in three years tempered everything.

I know it's not easy to watch this as a fan of the team, but if the championships of recent years aren't solace enough, keep in mind this is a great team they're playing. It's not like having to watch the Dodgers steamroll your favorite team.

10. Esoteric roots for the two worst teams in baseball Posted: October 15, 2008 at 12:33 AM (#2982591)

Speaking of injuries: B.J. Upton is playing with a torn labrum (!), and Carlos Pena had to come back from (IIRC) a wrist injury himself. And still they keep coming on.

11. Rocco's Not-so Malfunctioning Mitochondria Posted: October 15, 2008 at 01:02 AM (#2982606)

Not to seem like a troll, but the Rays are far from healthy. Kazmir has obviously been pitching with some kind of undisclosed arm injury for the past couple months, Upton has a torn labrum that will require offseason surgery, Crawford's been gimpy all year and probably needs knee surgery in the offseason, and the closer hasn't even made the postseason roster.

12. Shredder Posted: October 15, 2008 at 01:03 AM (#2982608)

The results of the two current series have me feeling better about what happened in the ALDS. First, because Tampa probably would have beaten the ever living crap out of the Angels, and second because watching the Angels lose in exchange for watching the Sox, Sox, Dodgers, and Cubs lose is a trade off I can live with.

Not over yet, though.

13. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: October 15, 2008 at 01:08 AM (#2982609)

and the closer hasn't even made the postseason roster.

Which has to be considered a net positive. The rest are duly noted.

14. Shredder Posted: October 15, 2008 at 01:19 AM (#2982615)

I can't edit my comment above, but a couple things:

1) Didn't mean to troll on Sox Therapy. Sorry. I clicked in from hot topics and didn't realize I was on this board.
2) I've seen the Sox come back from this a time or two.

15. Elevate Phil Coorey Later Posted: October 15, 2008 at 01:22 AM (#2982616)

Blowouts are fine by me as well - I'm just dirty at Wakefield - I can't believe the Sox have to fall for that charade every seven game series now. He sucked last year vs. Cleveland and again today.

He should be not allowed anywhere near a starting rotation spot EVER in the playoffs again. I don't care if he has another half decent year like he did this year - he should never see a playoff game again. I'd rather a half fit Beckett than this.

edit - Game 2 will haunt us a for a while. I get the shits just thinking about it

16. Mattbert Posted: October 15, 2008 at 07:20 AM (#2982651)

Hmmm, think I'll skip the archived video of this one.

All the recent success of the franchise makes the failures easier to take. If this ain't gonna be our year, though, I'd rather not see it slip away in our own house. Let's hope we can hold down the fort tomorrow night at least. Besides, if the Rays are going to represent the varsity in the Series this year, they deserve to celebrate that accomplishment with their home fans. And a very worthy representative they would be, should it come to that.

Plenty of baseball left to play, though.

17. RB in NYC (Now with Resolutions!) Posted: October 15, 2008 at 07:30 AM (#2982654)

I know there really isn't anything to it, because the Sox obviously don't let this get them down, but it is bizarre that under Francona they are 3-9 Games 1-4 of the ALCS and 23-4 in all other playoff games. But so long as you aren't getting swept, you might as well have your kryptonite because the first four games of a seven game series.

18. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 15, 2008 at 07:45 AM (#2982661)

Non Sox fans in this thread are only stating the obvious. I don't feel that is "trolling".

The Red Sox are getting their asses kicked by a better team.

How long can Tampa keep this nucleus together before they hit FA? Crawford must be close. Pena has some years under his belt. Longoria stays for 4 more years. Kazmir? Garza is a 2nd year pitcher, right?

They're gonna have to pay some players soon, though.

19. Nasty Nate Posted: October 15, 2008 at 07:46 AM (#2982663)

so... ugh, this erm, Longoria dude has some power, huh?

20. TomH Posted: October 15, 2008 at 07:48 AM (#2982664)

the One Thing I saw as clearly an asvantage for the Sox coming into this Series was ...power.

Boston was near the team lead league in hitting HR in 08.

Rays hit 10th most HR as a team in the AL this year. Sox were near the top in fewest HR allowed. Add up facing mostly top pitchers, cool nights in October, and I figured the Rays might hit 3 long balls the whole series.

Guess I figured wrong, huh?

21. 1k5v3L Posted: October 15, 2008 at 07:49 AM (#2982665)

Shields and Kazmir are locked up for a while. Ditto for Longoria, who's locked up through 15, I think. Pena for at least 2 more years. Upton will most likely take them to arbitration every year, even though I selfishly hope he sets a nice example for his brother and signs a nice team friendly extension. I think Crawford is the only one close to FA.

22. AROM Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:05 AM (#2982669)

I think Crawford signed a team friendly deal and has a few more left before free agency.

23. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:07 AM (#2982670)

Upton's the only member of the Tampa core not locked up through at least 2010, and he's still arb-eligible.

24. AROM Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:14 AM (#2982672)

TomH, not sure where you get your stats but try baseball reference. The Rays had 180 homers this year, 7 more than the Red Sox.

25. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:19 AM (#2982676)

Navarro - 3 years to FA
Pena - 2 years/$18.125
Iwamura - 1 year/$3.25, option $4.25-5.25
Longoria - 5 years/$14, 3 options/$30
Bartlett - 3 years to FA
Crawford - 2 options/$18.25
Upton - 4 years to FA
Gross - 3 years to FA
Floyd - option/$2.75
Aybar - 5 years to FA

Kazmir - 3 years/$26, option/$13.5
Shields - 3 years/$8.25, 3 options/$28
Garza - 5 years to FA
Sonnanstine - 5 years to FA
Jackson - 3 years to FA
Wheeler - 2 years/$6.7, option/$4
Bradford - 1 year/$3.5
Balfour - 2 years to FA
Howell - 4 years to FA

26. 1k5v3L Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:22 AM (#2982677)

Also, the Rays have a sick sick minor league system
http://www.armchairgm.com/Article:Tampa_Bay_Rays_2008_Top_Ten_Prospects

27. The Marksist Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:22 AM (#2982678)

I tuned out early last night. Not nearly as angry-making as games 2 & 3. Right now the Rays look as scary as I thought they were, and the Sox need to borrow a flashlight to look for the offense.

28. bunyon Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:25 AM (#2982679)

The Sox definitely have nothing to be ashamed of. They've won some titles recently, they won 95 games in the regular season. And they're losing to a team that beat them over the regular season and in the head to head in the regular season. Just because they aren't as well known doesn't mean the Rays aren't a better team. I don't think the difference is as great as it's appeared and I won't be shocked beyond belief if the Sox make a series of it, or even win, but shame and anger is definitely not called for.

29. Textbook Editor Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:52 AM (#2982696)

Has there been any indication Lester would pitch a Game 6?

Sure the offense has tanked but we have a potential slump-buster pitcher (Kazmir) facing us in Game 5. The bats wake up, Matsusaka pitches well, and we're looking at Lester v. Shields in Game 6, a fairly even proposition, I think. We win Game 6, and then the pressure shifts back to Tampa Bay, who would start Garza, a guy just as capable of blowing up mentally as Beckett would be physically, and so Game 7 could be a 13-12 slugfest.

It's a dimly-lit path to the WS, I will grant you, but I do see it. We'll need some things to break right, but you always do if you're coming back from 3-1 or 3-0.

30. Nasty Nate Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:59 AM (#2982698)

yeah the Sox are obviously still alive.

For the sake of fun i'm going to equate this with last year's ALCS:

Matsuzaka is the 07 Beckett: dominant in winning his 2 starts
Beckett is the 07 Schilling: gets knocked around in his 1st start, but comes back strong to win game 6
Lester is the 07 Matsuzaka: loses his first start, but pitches an admirable game 7

heh, a boy can dream

31. villageidiom Posted: October 15, 2008 at 09:07 AM (#2982699)

At least, at least, may our boys win Game 5 and if the Rays get their celebration, have it happen in that trash-heap of a ballpark in the strip-mall hell that is the Gulf Coast of Florida and not on Fenway's grass.

To recount what I'd said in IRC last week... Have you ever seen when someone decorates a room in their house to look like the inside of a baseball stadium? That's what Tropicana Field looks like to me.

32. bunyon Posted: October 15, 2008 at 09:14 AM (#2982702)

Have you ever seen a stadium where all the seats face the field? That's what Tropicana Field looks like to me.*

* Now, that's trolling!

33. ekogan Posted: October 15, 2008 at 09:16 AM (#2982703)

Let me be the first to say it:
Congratulations to the Tampa Bay Rays, 2008 World Champions.

34. AROM Posted: October 15, 2008 at 09:23 AM (#2982707)

Sure the offense has tanked but we have a potential slump-buster pitcher (Kazmir) facing us in Game 5. The bats wake up, Matsusaka pitches well, and we're looking at Lester v. Shields in Game 6

Why would Kazmir pitch game 5? Shields pitched the opener, it's his turn. Kazmir probably needs all the rest he can get anyway.

35. Textbook Editor Posted: October 15, 2008 at 09:37 AM (#2982715)

Supposedly Kazmir is already set to pitch Game 5, because they feel Shields pitches better at home. At least this was the latest plan I heard as of yesterday. I think it's crazy and opens the door to a potential comeback, but the last I heard was Kazmir for Game 5 was a done deal.

36. RB in NYC (Now with Resolutions!) Posted: October 15, 2008 at 09:44 AM (#2982716)

but the last I heard was Kazmir for Game 5 was a done deal.

Things have changed since then, Shields is starting Game 5, see for example this article, full of quotes from Shields about how he won't change he approach pitching at Fenway rather than the Trop.

37. Dan Posted: October 15, 2008 at 09:45 AM (#2982717)

Nothing about feel. Shields absolutely pitches better at home. Look at his splits. Plus, it sets up Shields to pitch game 1 of the WS if Kazmir somehow stops sucking and the Rays win game 5. I think it's a great move.

38. Toby Posted: October 15, 2008 at 09:48 AM (#2982718)

If the Sox are going to lose, they might as well lose the way they have been -- by getting blown out early. Nothing worse than staying up till 1 am to watch them lose a nailbiter. Much better to be able to change the channel by 9 pm and be in bed by 10:30.

39. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 15, 2008 at 09:48 AM (#2982719)

last I heard was Kazmir for Game 5 was a done deal.

It was never a done deal. The only official word was that the decision would be announced after the game.

Plus, it sets up Shields to pitch game 1 of the WS if Kazmir somehow stops sucking and the Rays win game 5.

The World Series starts next Wednesday. Pitching tomorrow wouldn't preclude Shields from making that start.

40. JPWF13 Posted: October 15, 2008 at 09:53 AM (#2982723)

I think Kevin should be unbanned- just to see if he's willing to post on Red Sox threads now...

41. Textbook Editor Posted: October 15, 2008 at 09:54 AM (#2982724)

This article points to a possible Game 5 start for Kazmir, and the reasons behind it:

Kazmir Might Start Game 5

Will it happen? Who knows. We're going to have to beat Shields at some point. I guess if Shields pitches worse at Fenway I should want him starting Game 5, with Kazmir/Garza backing him up in 6 & 7.

42. Misirlou's fighting force of extordinary magnitude Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:00 AM (#2982728)

The World Series starts next Wednesday.

So, Wed-Thur-Sat-Sun-Mon-Wed-Thur, or are they adding a couple of extra off days to get 6 and 7 on the weekend?

43. Textbook Editor Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:01 AM (#2982729)

Of course, one bit of good news is that the Red Sox should have Papelbon & Okajima each available to go at least 2 innings in Game 5, should they need to, with the off-day Friday.

I confess the more I think about it, the more I think we have at least a 50/50 shot to pull this off, even if Beckett blows up again. Byrd would be on full rest for Game 6 and I doubt Tito would hesitate to yank a struggling Beckett in a "lose & go home" situation. I think Byrd can be reasonably effective if the need arises.

[/drinking from the Kool-Aid jar]

44. Tropical Storm Davis, aka Quilvio "Ebola" Veras Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:06 AM (#2982731)

I think Kevin should be unbanned- just to see if he's willing to post on Red Sox threads now...

??? Kevin was banned?

45. Ryan Jones Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:09 AM (#2982733)

I confess the more I think about it, the more I think we have at least a 50/50 shot to pull this off

After Game 2 loss, "It's just a little dirty. It's still good, it's still good"
After Game 3 loss, "It's just a little slimy. It's still good, it's still good"
After Game 4 loss, "It's just a little airborne..."

I realize you made the "drinking from the kool-aid jar" comment, and there's no technical reason that the Red Sox can't come back, but to say it's anywhere close to a 50/50 chance is a bit on the crazy side - they're down 3-1 against another very good team.

It's less ludicrous than my desperate hope that the Jays could come back from their 7 down with 17 to go situation, but it's still a pretty big long shot.

46. Ryan Jones Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:10 AM (#2982736)

??? Kevin was banned?

Dan gave him a 30 day vacation. I'm still not really sure why, but it is what it is.

47. Dan Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:11 AM (#2982737)

The World Series starts next Wednesday. Pitching tomorrow wouldn't preclude Shields from making that start.

Wow, I had no idea it was that long until game 1. That's absurd.

48. Tropical Storm Davis, aka Quilvio "Ebola" Veras Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:13 AM (#2982738)

Ah, just last year the Indians had the Sox down 3-1, and were heading home with Sabathia and Carmona on the mound. We saw how that turned out.

49. jmurph Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:19 AM (#2982743)

Ah, just last year the Indians had the Sox down 3-1, and were heading home with Sabathia and Carmona on the mound. We saw how that turned out.

The last 2 games were in Boston. The Red Sox were definitely the better team. Neither of those things is true in this case (with Lowell out and Ortiz ineffective).

50. RB in NYC (Now with Resolutions!) Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:47 AM (#2982766)

Wow, I had no idea it was that long until game 1. That's absurd.

Well, it's only somewhat absurd. Remember, the ALCS could--in theory--run to as far as Sunday, which would mean two days between ALCS Game 7 and WS Game 1. If TB and Philly clinch in 5 though, it's going to be a long few days before the Series starts.

51. plim Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:50 AM (#2982768)

The last 2 games were in Boston. The Red Sox were definitely the better team. Neither of those things is true in this case (with Lowell out and Ortiz ineffective).

we also had schilling going in game six, and that was one of those games/pitchers you just *knew* we were gonna win.

of course, that's how i felt about lester for game 4, so what the hell do i know =P

we'll find out if dicek is made of sterner stuff, or if this really has just been a year-long fluke.

52. Joe Bivens, Ditch Digger Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:55 AM (#2982769)

I expect them to do better Thursday, but then they have to decide who they're going to pitch in game 6, should they win. They're in bigger trouble this year than last.

edit...I'd go with Byrd in game six...or at least have him ready to relieve Beckett at the first hint of trouble.

53. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: October 15, 2008 at 10:58 AM (#2982772)

I'd go with Lester in Game 6 as he'd be on regular rest.

You cannot risk losing a series in 6 games and have your best pitcher throw just once.

54. Mister High Standards Posted: October 15, 2008 at 11:05 AM (#2982777)

When Lester and Beck lost 2&3;I figured this was the situation the Sox would be in. By no means am I upset or disapointed. Worth case scenerio as redsox fans we have had a lot to be proud of and a lot to continue building off of. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if this is the worst redsox team of the next couple of years.

I don't expect the redsox to go quitely into the night. They are resourceful, and seem to play there best with their backsup against the wall. My Ms. Low Standards and I will be in town for game 5, and fully expect the Sox to pull it out, hopefully in a 14 inning affair with Lil Dust capping it with a walkoff ding donger and some dirty water.

I have a list of thing's thankful for this season, but I'll save it until the season is over. Which I hope won't be until closer to Nov.

55. Fly's New Handle Was Too Long, But Clever Posted: October 15, 2008 at 11:19 AM (#2982789)

Let me be the first to say it:
Congratulations to the Tampa Bay Rays, 2008 World Champions.

Check the game 3 chatter.

56. Dan Posted: October 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM (#2982821)

It's official, Kazmir's start has been moved up to game 5. Apparently another reason is that Darryl Cousins will be the home plate umpire in game 6 and Kazmir got ejected from a start in June and called Cousins' strike zone ridiculous and unbelievable.

57. 1k5v3L Posted: October 15, 2008 at 11:58 AM (#2982828)

I think Kevin should be unbanned- just to see if he's willing to post on Red Sox threads now

It'd be very hard for him to post, given he's in a curled up fetal position sucking on his thumb

58. 1k5v3L Posted: October 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM (#2982829)

It's official, Kazmir's start has been moved up to game 5.

Well, there will be game 6 then

59. Nasty Nate Posted: October 15, 2008 at 12:07 PM (#2982842)

Well, there will be game 6 then

if so, I hope Lester's starting it for Boston ... unless right now Theo and Terry are watching beckett throw a side session w/ a radar gun showing 97's and 98's

60. Darren Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:06 PM (#2983214)

Apparently, it'll be Beckett in game 6. Color me skeptical.

61. Justin T got in to U.H.I.D.! Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:09 PM (#2983215)

Mmmm, Kazmir and Matsuzaka tomorrow night. 3 hours for the first five innings.

62. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:31 PM (#2983234)

I wonder if matching starters with umpires might become a trend.

63. Mike Emeigh Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:33 PM (#2983236)

Also, the Rays have a sick sick minor league system

The quality drops off pretty quickly after the top handful, though, and it's mostly pitching - Davis and Hellickson are the only guys who are likely to contribute soon.

-- MWE

64. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:42 PM (#2983248)

Mmmm, Kazmir and Matsuzaka tomorrow night. 3 hours for the first five innings

Including 237 pitches, 9 walks and 12 Ks in those 5 innings, it'll be a stomach churning, eyeball burning ride.

The one thing I will say is that its nice to see most of you being positive. Even the guys trolling are being kind, its like a lovefest....we definitely need Kevin back.

Lester must start game 6 if we get that far, there is no discussion about this. And if we make game 7, I'd pull Beckett after the first homerun he gives up and utilise Byrd.

65. 1k5v3L Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:44 PM (#2983250)

Mike, that's true. But Price and Hellickson are pretty damn good by themselves.
I figure the Rays should have no problems trading some pitching for offense this offseason, if needed

66. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:50 PM (#2983257)

I figure the Rays should have no problems trading some pitching for offense this offseason, if needed

Valid point, however from where I'm sittin', that offense is looking pretty sweet right now.

67. Dan Posted: October 15, 2008 at 08:52 PM (#2983259)

I posted this in chatter the other day, but I could see the Rays trading Edwin Jackson, Wade Davis, and possible some third semi-prospect to Colorado for Holliday, since Colorado is looking for young starting pitching. But I'm not sure the Rays would be willing to give up that much for a guy with only 1 year left under control.

68. Nasty Nate Posted: October 16, 2008 at 10:15 AM (#2983695)

WAKE UP SOX THERAPY!

we have mutha-effin game 5 tonight

in all Sox ALCS's (and of course all ALDS's) whoever wins game 5, wins the series...!

Dizzy

Tampa's used up all its big hits, weve been saving them.

69. Dave Cyprian Posted: October 16, 2008 at 12:02 PM (#2983821)

BJ Upton is a nasty stud. He doesn't even move his front foot on those huge bombs.

Francona is a very good manager, but comon, should Big Papi really be batting 3rd right now?

Rays are the odds on favorite to win the World Series right now, but I am so sick of everyone talking about them like they are the next dynasty. The 2009 Yankees are going to reload so hard, and the AL East will be a barn burner again next year, so I am skeptical whether the Rays will even make the playoffs next year. Same for the Red Sox.

The Yankees missed the playoffs this year, the Sox beat down John Lackey's LA Angels of Anaheim once again in hilarious fashion... Chone Figgins exaggerated fist pump after his triple is probably what I'll remember most about this baseball season (that good fortune lasted about 10 minutes). I'm happy with the year and content to let what happens from here on out happen. If the Rays go on to win the ALCS, they certainly earned it. Go Sox.

70. The Marksist Posted: October 16, 2008 at 12:22 PM (#2983838)

After Game 2 loss, "It's just a little dirty. It's still good, it's still good"
After Game 3 loss, "It's just a little slimy. It's still good, it's still good"
After Game 4 loss, "It's just a little airborne..."

BTW, I loled at this. Good call.

BJ Upton is a nasty stud.

Are you privy to information of a... personal nature?

Also, I'm nervous about tonight already. Crap.

71. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: October 16, 2008 at 01:24 PM (#2983902)

Didn't know where else to put it, but here's a nice little thing in the NYT by Doug Glanville about Francona...

72. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 16, 2008 at 06:57 PM (#2984190)

Concerned yes, panicking...not yet.
I have no doubt that Dice-K will make this as excrutiatingly painful as possible.

Funnily enough, if we can just manage to squeak this one out, I'm pretty confident about Lester in game 6(he would be going in 6 right? sanity will prevail here...)

Then game 7 will be a free for all. It could be really fun.

Then if we pull all that out...well the Phillies will be pissing their pants and we'll take it in 5...max

You heard it hear first!

73. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: October 16, 2008 at 07:38 PM (#2984230)

Beckett will go in Game 6.

74. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 16, 2008 at 07:46 PM (#2984241)

Beckett will go in Game 6.

Are you sure about this? I'd much rather see Lester. Beckett right now is not inspiring alot of confidence, I don't reckon he's quite right yet.

75. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: October 16, 2008 at 08:06 PM (#2984257)

Are you sure about this? I'd much rather see Lester. Beckett right now is not inspiring alot of confidence, I don't reckon he's quite right yet.

Well I don't have any insider information. I'm just basing it on what I've seen from the Red Sox in the past two years. Regardless what moves we think they should make, the club seems disinclined to move away from its initial plan. So unless the team announces that Beckett is injured and is done for the postseason, I fully expect him to get an if-necessary Game 6 start.

76. Answer Guy Posted: October 16, 2008 at 08:37 PM (#2984329)

Doesn't look like there's going to be a Game 6 anyway. Go Phils.

77. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 16, 2008 at 09:19 PM (#2984441)

Doesn't look like there's going to be a Game 6 anyway. Go Phils

I hate to say as its only the 3rd, but I think you are right. However, I have to support the Rays in the series...I'm an AL guy(with the exception of NY of course)

78. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 16, 2008 at 11:04 PM (#2984684)

Geez, and the arse whooping is almost done...
Wow and I mean wow, they just beat the living sh*t out of us over the course of these 3 games.

Kudos to them, well done to the Rays and their fans(all 18 of them before August). Good luck in the series.

79. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 16, 2008 at 11:51 PM (#2985027)

Holy sh*t, is this really happening?

80. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 17, 2008 at 12:23 AM (#2985357)

Jesus Christballs.

81. robinred Posted: October 17, 2008 at 12:23 AM (#2985363)

8-7.

Wow.

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